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    2nd cycle advice. sust, eq, var, mast,Winny. help asap.

    Heyyaa my bros. I am about to start my second cycle of sustanom, anavar , boldenone , winstrol , masteron . My stats are as follows:-
    Height - 6'2"
    Weight - 92kgs
    Bodyfat- around 12%
    Age- 25
    My goal- to get shredded and have full visible 6 pack abs with some lean gains too (if possible)

    So guys please tell me how to use all these compounds at what dosages and what time( which drug to use at the start and which drug at the end) . also please tell me whether I should take boldenone or just drop it ? Because I have read it increases RBC and thus increase the risk of getting stroke. I really scared the shit out of me I don't wanna die young.. If that is the risk should I use bold at 250mg per week to minimise risk or completely drop it? All the advice from u guys will be really appreciated . thanks

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    Really? Well if you need that much advice then obviously you arent ready.
    Do you need someone to do the injections for you also?
    Sorry if this seems rude but we really dont like to spoon feed people. A little help and advice is fine but what you are asking for goes way beyond that.

    Here is some advice. No amount of gear is going to get your shredded, Only diet and training will do that.

    What are you using for AI? PCT?

    Start reading the sticky post at the top to educate yourself a little.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lovbyts View Post
    Really? Well if you need that much advice then obviously you arent ready.
    Do you need someone to do the injections for you also?
    Sorry if this seems rude but we really dont like to spoon feed people. A little help and advice is fine but what you are asking for goes way beyond that.

    Here is some advice. No amount of gear is going to get your shredded, Only diet and training will do that.

    What are you using for AI? PCT?

    Start reading the sticky post at the top to educate yourself a little.
    Well I have done my research . I did my my first cycle of test e at 500mg every week with adex at .30mg EOD and winstrol at 40mg per day for last few weeks. I was 89 kg before cycle and at the end of the cycle my weight was 98 KGS. Did PCT . hcg blast at 1500iu EOD for 10 days with nolvadex at 20mg and also used clomid.. It has been a few months after pct and now my weight is 93kg with around 12 % bodyfat.. So you can see I do know about cycling properly.

    For this cycle my PCT is gonna be the same.. Also drop the dosage ques. Can you just tell me if I should use boldenone ?? Will using it at 250mg per week for 10 weeks will increase my RBC to the level of getting a stroke? Or I will be fine? If there is not a risk then I'll use it if there is a lot of risk should I just drop it ?? Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by aesthetics_sexy View Post
    Well I have done my research . I did my my first cycle of test e at 500mg every week with adex at .30mg EOD and winstrol at 40mg per day for last few weeks. I was 89 kg before cycle and at the end of the cycle my weight was 98 KGS. Did PCT . hcg blast at 1500iu EOD for 10 days with nolvadex at 20mg and also used clomid.. It has been a few months after pct and now my weight is 93kg with around 12 % bodyfat.. So you can see I do know about cycling properly.

    For this cycle my PCT is gonna be the same.. Also drop the dosage ques. Can you just tell me if I should use boldenone ?? Will using it at 250mg per week for 10 weeks will increase my RBC to the level of getting a stroke? Or I will be fine? If there is not a risk then I'll use it if there is a lot of risk should I just drop it ?? Thanks
    Well your PCT was wrong because HCG is used on cycle, not for PCT and you dont blast 1500iu at once.
    How long did you run you last cycle? So what was the rest of your PCT? How much, how long?



    Use test, boldenone , winstol, mast or most any aas will likely raice your RBC but best way is to get mid cycle blood work done like recommended but you already know this because you've done your research, right?
    No one can tell you IF you will be fine or not. To many variables.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aesthetics_sexy View Post
    Heyyaa my bros. I am about to start my second cycle of sustanom, anavar , boldenone , winstrol , masteron . My stats are as follows:-
    Height - 6'2"
    Weight - 92kgs
    Bodyfat- around 12%
    Age- 25
    My goal- to get shredded and have full visible 6 pack abs with some lean gains too (if possible)

    So guys please tell me how to use all these compounds at what dosages and what time( which drug to use at the start and which drug at the end) . also please tell me whether I should take boldenone or just drop it ? Because I have read it increases RBC and thus increase the risk of getting stroke. I really scared the shit out of me I don't wanna die young.. If that is the risk should I use bold at 250mg per week to minimise risk or completely drop it? All the advice from u guys will be really appreciated . thanks
    I'm also curious where you are from because your planet obviously has a different reference of time than our since you seem to have aged 3 years in 5 of less months.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lovbyts View Post
    Well your PCT was wrong because HCG is used on cycle, not for PCT and you dont blast 1500iu at once.
    How long did you run you last cycle? So what was the rest of your PCT? How much, how long?



    Use test, boldenone , winstol, mast or most any aas will likely raice your RBC but best way is to get mid cycle blood work done like recommended but you already know this because you've done your research, right?
    No one can tell you IF you will be fine or not. To many variables.
    My cycle was just 10 weeks. I started taking hcg 1 week after my last test injection. A lot of people said you can either take low dose hcg on cycle or you can blast it around 2000iu EOD at the end. At that dose for just 10 days desensitisation doesn't occur. So I blasted. I started taking nolvadex with hcg at 20mg per day because hcg converts into estrogen . after hcg blast I added clomid at 100mg for 5 days then 50 mg for another 5 days. But after adding clomid my libido dropped significantly so I dropped clomid after using it for just 10 days. But my balls did grow back to normal after clomid. Then I just took nolvadex at 20mg for another 2 weeks and my libido was back to normal. Never faced libido issues only while taking clomid I had some libido issues. So my total PCT time was about 24 days excluding hcg.

    And yes I know you have to get blood work done prior , during and post cycle but I don't because its expensive. I have heard everything goes back to normal off cycle so I don't find the need. Moreover if I did bloodwork and if there is even slight difference in test levels like if its slightly low after cycle than it was before cycle it will freak me out and I'll get stressed so I don't wanna really know my exact test levels . if my libido is normal I am more than happy.

    Also I have heard eq increase epo and it raises RBC at a much greater level than other steroids and it will drastically thicken blood.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lovbyts View Post
    I'm also curious where you are from because your planet obviously has a different reference of time than our since you seem to have aged 3 years in 5 of less months.
    Hahahaha. Its 25 years obvio :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by aesthetics_sexy View Post
    Hahahaha. Its 25 years obvio :P
    Why obvio? See I'm one of those people that can read your profile page. You were 22 when you joined a few months ago. It's a LOT more obvio that you increased your age due to learning it's not recommended to cycle until you are at least 25.

    Yeah yeah we have heard it plenty of time, Oh it was a mistake when you joined. Hmm yeah I tend to forget what year I was born also.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lovbyts View Post
    Why obvio? See I'm one of those people that can read your profile page. You were 22 when you joined a few months ago. It's a LOT more obvio that you increased your age due to learning it's not recommended to cycle until you are at least 25.

    Yeah yeah we have heard it plenty of time, Oh it was a mistake when you joined. Hmm yeah I tend to forget what year I was born also.
    Haha... Funny how some can read between the lines, huh!
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    Quote Originally Posted by NACH3 View Post
    Haha... Funny how some can read between the lines, huh!
    When you have been here long enough and dealt with so many it's not unlike being able to tell when a 3yr old is lying to you about eating cookies when they know they arent supposed to. The crumbs are on their face. lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by lovbyts View Post
    When you have been here long enough and dealt with so many it's not unlike being able to tell when a 3yr old is lying to you about eating cookies when they know they arent supposed to. The crumbs are on their face. lol
    Lol... Not saying much anymore, either?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by NACH3 View Post
    Lol... Not saying much anymore, either?!
    Well if he is truly 25 or more it's easy enough to fix. He can just submit a picture of his drivers license to Admin and ask them to change it accordingly.

    Hell, everyone makes mistakes. I know some of the girls Ive gone out with Ive had to ask for ID and told them to at least borrow their older sisters ID. Who knows, one of them may have been his (the OP) younger sister? lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by lovbyts View Post
    Well if he is truly 25 or more it's easy enough to fix. He can just submit a picture of his drivers license to Admin and ask them to change it accordingly.
    ^^^ Right! Easy fix! If he indeed is 25?!

    And that is sooo true... I find carding all girls necessity now a days! Lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by lovbyts View Post
    Why obvio? See I'm one of those people that can read your profile page. You were 22 when you joined a few months ago. It's a LOT more obvio that you increased your age due to learning it's not recommended to cycle until you are at least 25.

    Yeah yeah we have heard it plenty of time, Oh it was a mistake when you joined. Hmm yeah I tend to forget what year I was born also.
    Hehehe. Didn't know I will get busted so early for lying ... Yes I lied because everybody says not to cycle before 25 but I need to because I want to become a fitness model . I have to reach prime level of aesthetics. Cant wait 3 more years for it. Can you give me fair advice now ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by aesthetics_sexy View Post
    Hehehe. Didn't know I will get busted so early for lying ... Yes I lied because everybody says not to cycle before 25 but I need to because I want to become a fitness model . I have to reach prime level of aesthetics. Cant wait 3 more years for it. Can you give me fair advice now ?
    Yup, dont cycle because more than likely its going to mess you up and by 30 your will be unemployed and no wife/girlfriend to support you (or boyfriend depending on preference) because of ED.

    You dont need aas to be a fitness model. You need VERY good diet because you need to be lean more than big.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aesthetics_sexy View Post
    Hehehe. Didn't know I will get busted so early for lying ... Yes I lied because everybody says not to cycle before 25 but I need to because I want to become a fitness model . I have to reach prime level of aesthetics. Cant wait 3 more years for it. Can you give me fair advice now ?
    Yeah we knew... Well he called it but if walks like a duck quacks like one then it's a duck!

    Listen to LB... no one wants to see anyone mess themselves up permanently! So do yourself a favor and come visit the diet and training sections... Hard work/cardio/diet & a good training program is all you need right now!

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    Quote Originally Posted by lovbyts View Post
    Yup, dont cycle because more than likely its going to mess you up and by 30 your will be unemployed and no wife/girlfriend to support you (or boyfriend depending on preference) because of ED.

    You dont need aas to be a fitness model. You need VERY good diet because you need to be lean more than big.
    A lot of people juice at early age man . a lot of my friends started juicing early and are absolutely fine. They are surrounded by chicks all the time don't think they have ED. They are very happy. Arnold started taking steroids at 15 what problems is he facing? Taylor launter took steroids to prepare for new moon I dont think he is suffering from ED. Well my point is a lot of people juice early and are doing fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aesthetics_sexy View Post
    A lot of people juice at early age man . a lot of my friends started juicing early and are absolutely fine. They are surrounded by chicks all the time don't think they have ED. They are very happy. Arnold started taking steroids at 15 what problems is he facing? Taylor launter took steroids to prepare for new moon I dont think he is suffering from ED. Well my point is a lot of people juice early and are doing fine.
    Could be! But I bet they don't have BW to confirm this! Or are ok now but could be facing multiple problems! Do you think they would tell you if they had to take Cialis(any PDE-5 inhibitor)?? Nope... But it's still one of/if not the most prescribed meds in the country!!

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    How many friends do you have in their 40s?

    I lol every time I hear someone in their late teens or early 20s try to use that argument and thats about 2x a day.

    Now I can say just the opposite. The people I know who juiced in their 20s are NOT so OK anymore. I cant think of a one of them and the least one had gyno surgery to get rid of his bitch tits.

    Start reading and learning. You will find a LOT of guys here who cycled young and had problems as well as people coming most every day asking for help with ED.

    My point is a lot juice early and are not fine and Ill bet you a LOT more just never say anything.

    What problems is Arnold facing? You really have not done much research have you? He has had extensive medical work and of course the best doctors due to him being an actor. I hope you can say the same.

    Best of luck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lovbyts View Post
    How many friends do you have in their 40s?

    I lol every time I hear someone in their late teens or early 20s try to use that argument and thats about 2x a day.

    Now I can say just the opposite. The people I know who juiced in their 20s are NOT so OK anymore. I cant think of a one of them and the least one had gyno surgery to get rid of his bitch tits.

    Start reading and learning. You will find a LOT of guys here who cycled young and had problems as well as people coming most every day asking for help with ED.

    My point is a lot juice early and are not fine and Ill bet you a LOT more just never say anything.

    What problems is Arnold facing? You really have not done much research have you? He has had extensive medical work and of course the best doctors due to him being an actor. I hope you can say the same.

    Best of luck.
    U are trying to say that if someone takes steroids at 22-23 will have ed and if that person takes steroid after 25 he will be fine? Wtf? In two years gap an angel will come that will not let ed happen to him ? Lol ... And also I did my first cycle of test and Winny . did PCT and now I have libido back to normal so few years down the road in my 30s 40s I will get ed automatically? Doesnt sum up mate

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    Guaranteed, of course not but a better chance, yes do to your immature HPTA and likely hood of abusing aas.

    Ask anyone who is 30 or older how mature and good decision making skills they had when they were in their early 20s? You will be hard pressed to find any who will say they did.

    The only think that doesnt sum up is your failure to understand what is being said.

    Do what you want, most do because they have the mentality it wont happen to me. Every last one of the kids who come back asking for help say the same thing, they were stupid and didnt listen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aesthetics_sexy View Post
    U are trying to say that if someone takes steroids at 22-23 will have ed and if that person takes steroid after 25 he will be fine? Wtf? In two years gap an angel will come that will not let ed happen to him ? Lol ... And also I did my first cycle of test and Winny . did PCT and now I have libido back to normal so few years down the road in my 30s 40s I will get ed automatically? Doesnt sum up mate
    It's obvious from the post above that you are NOT understanding what's at steak! This isn't something to be joking around about!

    Do some research on the HPTA/testicular loop and if you can comprehend it then you'll know how immature you sound...
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    Quote Originally Posted by NACH3 View Post
    It's obvious from the post above that you are NOT understanding what's at steak! This isn't something to be joking around about!

    Do some research on the HPTA/testicular loop and if you can comprehend it then you'll know how immature you sound...
    Hmmm.. May be there are more risks. But in order to succeed in life you have to take risks. People put millions of dollars at stake ? Why ? Don't they know they can lose the money? Ofcourse they know but the hunger to achieve something big something extraordinary motivates them to take risk and put everything at stake. This is the rule of jungle ,do or die. You can either be average or willing to take risks and rise above average and I don't wanna be average.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aesthetics_sexy View Post
    Hmmm.. May be there are more risks. But in order to succeed in life you have to take risks. People put millions of dollars at stake ? Why ? Don't they know they can lose the money? Ofcourse they know but the hunger to achieve something big something extraordinary motivates them to take risk and put everything at stake. This is the rule of jungle ,do or die. You can either be average or willing to take risks and rise above average and I don't wanna be average.
    I get it! No one(on here) wants to be just avg! But you'd be surprised at the gains you can make w/a proper diet and hood training program... I was totally against juice for the longest time... But Ive had some setbacks but am back on track... I didn't cycle till about 28... Just be patient OP its marathon not a sprint!

    Take a look in the diet and nutrition section/as well as the training section! Those guys will get you all dialed in! Just my .02!

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    Yes there are always risks but just like investing, it's thought out, calculated so there is minimal risk as possible and #1 rule, never put up what you cant afford to loose.

    We just dont want you or anyone to go into it lightly and you have to really really realize what the risks are. Most people do not and go into it blindly or thinking it really is not a big deal. I do guarantee there are a LOT more people who end up having problems you or we never hear about. Even the pros have issues and thats why there are not more people competing because they just dont make it to the shows due to bad sides so they try to fix it for the next one.

    There is a LOT you can do naturally at your age. If I had 1/10 the resources (diet information) at your age I would have easily been 20+ lbs heavier and solid muscle. As it was I was 150 lbs max working out 5+ days a week almost 2 hrs a day for many years. I though diet was good but in reality is sucked. With or without gear diet really is a HUGE part of it. No amount of gear will ever make up for diet and training.

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    I strongly believe in taper up cycles especially for cutting.

    I would start off with something like 400mg sust, add 600 mast-p at week 4, and 75 winny ED at week 8. Run until week 12.

    Also, at 12% BF you will have a full visible six pack, which makes me think you're fatter than you think. You should probably cut natty until you have the six-pack, then use the cycle to shred up

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    Quote Originally Posted by NACH3 View Post
    I get it! No one(on here) wants to be just avg! But you'd be surprised at the gains you can make w/a proper diet and hood training program... I was totally against juice for the longest time... But Ive had some setbacks but am back on track... I didn't cycle till about 28... Just be patient OP its marathon not a sprint!

    Take a look in the diet and nutrition section/as well as the training section! Those guys will get you all dialed in! Just my .02!
    i have read a lot about diet and training. I started bodybuilding at the age 18 so its almost 5 years i have been regularly going to gym. I was around 74kgs when i started bodybuilding and went to 90 kgs naturally with bodyfat same as i had 5 years back (so it was all muscle gain). But then no matter what i did i couldnt get past 90 kg. If i tried to increase my calorie intake i wasnt gaining much muscle past 90kgs but a lot of fat. So i thought this is my genetic limit of the amount of muscle i can gain with minimum fat. So what options i had from there? i wasnt satisfied with my physique so i thought juicing is the only option left for me now..
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    Quote Originally Posted by lovbyts View Post
    Yes there are always risks but just like investing, it's thought out, calculated so there is minimal risk as possible and #1 rule, never put up what you cant afford to loose.

    We just dont want you or anyone to go into it lightly and you have to really really realize what the risks are. Most people do not and go into it blindly or thinking it really is not a big deal. I do guarantee there are a LOT more people who end up having problems you or we never hear about. Even the pros have issues and thats why there are not more people competing because they just dont make it to the shows due to bad sides so they try to fix it for the next one.

    There is a LOT you can do naturally at your age. If I had 1/10 the resources (diet information) at your age I would have easily been 20+ lbs heavier and solid muscle. As it was I was 150 lbs max working out 5+ days a week almost 2 hrs a day for many years. I though diet was good but in reality is sucked. With or without gear diet really is a HUGE part of it. No amount of gear will ever make up for diet and training.
    i did gain a lot. see my above post. I know there are risks involved that is why i am asking questions to be able to execute a cycle at the same time being as safe as possible and minimizing risks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 212OlympiaBound View Post
    I strongly believe in taper up cycles especially for cutting.

    I would start off with something like 400mg sust, add 600 mast-p at week 4, and 75 winny ED at week 8. Run until week 12.

    Also, at 12% BF you will have a full visible six pack, which makes me think you're fatter than you think. You should probably cut natty until you have the six-pack, then use the cycle to shred up
    thanks a lot for the advice . But can i reduce the dose of sust to 200mg per week and add 250mg eq instead? because i dont wanna use adex on this cycle as i respond badly to adex and lose my strength even with a mere dose of .25mg eod. and if i dont use adex i get high blood pressure immediately. So i want to avoid it on this cycle and just decrease my testosterone dose. Is it ok ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by aesthetics_sexy View Post
    thanks a lot for the advice . But can i reduce the dose of sust to 200mg per week and add 250mg eq instead? because i dont wanna use adex on this cycle as i respond badly to adex and lose my strength even with a mere dose of .25mg eod. and if i dont use adex i get high blood pressure immediately. So i want to avoid it on this cycle and just decrease my testosterone dose. Is it ok ?
    No... You need to control your test to Estro conversion from the beginning of cycle(Aromatase)... Have you tried Exemestane??? It's very hard(damn near impossible/ well real hard) to crash your E2 on this AI!

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    Quote Originally Posted by NACH3 View Post
    No... You need to control your test to Estro conversion from the beginning of cycle(Aromatase)... Have you tried Exemestane??? It's very hard(damn near impossible/ well real hard) to crash your E2 on this AI!
    wouldnt just decreasing sustanon dose be a better option? Then i wont be needing any ai

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    Quote Originally Posted by aesthetics_sexy View Post
    wouldnt just decreasing sustanon dose be a better option? Then i wont be needing any ai
    Your still totally shut down regardless if you run 200mgs or 500mgs... Yes it will have less sides but you always need an AI on cycle from the start! Some are the exception but BW will determine this factor... I strongly suggest dialing in your AI b4 you add all these compounds...

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    Quote Originally Posted by NACH3 View Post
    Your still totally shut down regardless if you run 200mgs or 500mgs... Yes it will have less sides but you always need an AI on cycle from the start! Some are the exception but BW will determine this factor... I strongly suggest dialing in your AI b4 you add all these compounds...
    So you are saying i will require AI with 200mg test + 250mg eq ?

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    If you gonna be stupid and continue cycling, use the hcg during cycle not pct

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    http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...njections.html

    It ll explain why use hcg during and not pct

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    Absolutely!!!! And that Eq dose isn't going to give you what you think... Unless your using it for increased appetite?! I'd drop the Eq altogether and run a Sust higher... Your diet and training will dictate what kind of Gains you'll make... With Sust it's better to bulk with IMO...

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    Quote Originally Posted by EquilibriumZ View Post
    If you gonna be stupid and continue cycling, use the hcg during cycle not pct
    Yes hCG on cycle and AI is always needed for Aromatase(test to Estro conversion)... Plain and simple!

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    Quote Originally Posted by EquilibriumZ View Post
    If you gonna be stupid and continue cycling, use the hcg during cycle not pct
    but i recovered fine using hcg after cycle while test was clearing my system. Shouldnt i do the same ? also its written in the book ANABOLICS that it should be used after cycle ....?

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    Quote Originally Posted by aesthetics_sexy View Post
    but i recovered fine using hcg after cycle while test was clearing my system. Shouldnt i do the same ? also its written in the book ANABOLICS that it should be used after cycle ....?
    Look you've got all the answers you need... Your hearing what you want rather than what is needed!

    If you don't understand... I can't explain it any better than Austinite does in his educational threads!

    Do yourself a favor and read Audtins EDUCATIONAL ARTICLE DATABASE... All the way thru! It explains everything you need to do safely and successfully! I think your very misinformed on the up to date protocols! Just my .02...
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    Quote Originally Posted by aesthetics_sexy
    but i recovered fine using hcg after cycle while test was clearing my system. Shouldnt i do the same ? also its written in the book ANABOLICS that it should be used after cycle ....?
    Go read link

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