Bunk Tri Test?

**Geordiessuck** · 06-22-2015, 02:04 PM

Hey all

So I'm running Tri Test 400, (enth, cyp & dec, 2 pins .75ml per wk), just started week 5. So far nothing at all from it in the way of gains, only 1lbs added and that was only up this morning. Eating 4500 cals on training days, 3500 on off days, which is a lot for me, I'm pretty light 170lbs and normally maintain around 3000. My waist has gone up by 1cm since I started but all other measurements haven't moved.

Weird thing is, libido has gone up, constant boners. I'm on the same gear as my mate (bought at the same time) and he's added 13lbs so far, looks like its all gone to his arms as well, lol.

My mate reckons its my training, he does a split - Chest/Bi's, Back/tri's and Legs, more often than not without the Legs, and I do a full body thing 3 days a week and Core, mobility stuff on 2 other days

Its my first run, so not sure how I was gonna react, but I expected a bit more.

**NACH3** · 06-22-2015, 02:09 PM

All long acting esters but you should be feeling it about now... Are your lot numbers the same(that usually indicates it's the same batch)??

Get BW - that'll confirm if it's g2g or under dosed or just oil...

**Geordiessuck** · 06-22-2015, 02:14 PM

I'll check with him tomorrow about the batch.

Just thought I'd mention as well, no strength gains for me - just a normal amount progressing from workout to workout.

Also Ive had some pip, as a newbie I dont know what say Test E on its own would be like, but Tri Test 400 was supposed to be pretty bad from what Ive heard, and the first couple of weeks my arse was sore as f**k. Gotten used to it now though.

**clarky.** · 06-22-2015, 02:14 PM

X2 ^^ what nach said be patient.

**Back In Black** · 06-22-2015, 02:29 PM

X3^^^^

Big fan of your username, fully agree!

**clarky.** · 06-22-2015, 02:36 PM

Wai aye man

Sorry bib had to.

**Geordiessuck** · 06-22-2015, 02:49 PM

Ugh, wai aye.

Thanks for the input guys. I don't think it's dodgy, just haven't seen the gains I was expecting, that's why I mentioned the training. I prefer full body to my mates unorganised splits. Hopefully that will work just as well on cycle.

**NACH3** · 06-22-2015, 03:12 PM

Originally Posted by Geordiessuck

Ugh, wai aye.

Thanks for the input guys. I don't think it's dodgy, just haven't seen the gains I was expecting, that's why I mentioned the training. I prefer full body to my mates unorganised splits. Hopefully that will work just as well on cycle.

Check out the workout/diet sections - great info - (I just figured out the way my body responds to training the best(HIT) - this year maybe 6 months now) have grown more in that time than in yrs of training... So imo, always room for improvement in all areas(I'm learning something(many things) new about training and diet everyday! That's where the magic is(diet/a solid training program etc) - yeah the sauce helps

How long have you been doing this type of w/o? Just seeing if you can spark some growth - maybe your body is to used to that type of training - just thinking out loud...

**Geordiessuck** · 06-22-2015, 11:56 PM

Originally Posted by NACH3

Check out the workout/diet sections - great info - (I just figured out the way my body responds to training the best(HIT) - this year maybe 6 months now) have grown more in that time than in yrs of training... So imo, always room for improvement in all areas(I'm learning something(many things) new about training and diet everyday! That's where the magic is(diet/a solid training program etc) - yeah the sauce helps

How long have you been doing this type of w/o? Just seeing if you can spark some growth - maybe your body is to used to that type of training - just thinking out loud...

I haven't heard of HIT training to be honest, only HIIT and I'm not a fan of that!
I've done splits, and p/p/l before and some DUP. I started on the full body about the same time as I started this course because I'd been recovering from a Rib injury and hadn't been able to train for 2 months. The progression I'm experiencing at the moment is normal for someone in this situation I think. It's just not supra normal, lol. I am pushing myself hard though, and feeling sore the morning after training.

**Geordiessuck** · 06-23-2015, 12:04 AM

About the serial number, it's ROHM and there isn't 1, it just has dates on it - from 01-2013 to 01-2016. My buddy's is the same.

**lovbyts** · 06-23-2015, 12:04 AM

Everyone is different. I typically dont FEEL anything and the only way I can judge is via blood work and results at the end of cycle. I dont trust the mirror due to muscle dysmorphia. I like to take pictures every 2 weeks or so wearing the same clothes, same background, same camera/phone and lighting. You will be surprised how much difference you start to see if your training and diet are on.

Remember also everyone has different genetics also and will gain at different rates as well as different areas. Are you training legs good? A LOT of people neglect legs and it's true what they say, if you dont train legs the rest of you wont grow.

**clarky.** · 06-23-2015, 12:06 AM

Just remember food food food. Work out your TDEE'S you will find the stickie in the nutrition section.

Edit here you go
http://forums.steroid.com/diet-nutri...penditure.html

**Geordiessuck** · 06-23-2015, 12:27 AM

Yeah I train legs every session. I'm eating way more than the calculation tells me I should be. Put on a little on my belly, so I'm not worried that's the issue. I've always struggled gaining though, i have really broken sleep and have done for years, maybe that's the problem.

**lovbyts** · 06-23-2015, 12:36 AM

Originally Posted by Geordiessuck

Yeah I train legs every session. I'm eating way more than the calculation tells me I should be. Put on a little on my belly, so I'm not worried that's the issue. I've always struggled gaining though, i have really broken sleep and have done for years, maybe that's the problem.

Oh trust me, sleep makes a difference. I know all about broken sleep. I work nights, 12 hrs shift 4 days one week and 3 the next and then try to switch back. Most of the time I get 4hrs sleep, 6 broken if I'm lucky. Try to get into good sleep pattern if possible. Make sure what you are eating is quality, not just quantity. There is also a lot to learn about diet as in not just what to eat but when to eat it to prime the body properly before training.

There are many things you can do to manipulate your diet and training to gain size/strength. Form is probably #1 (next to diet) where people fail. They focus on how much they lift, not how and that has a much bigger effect on muscle growth than the actual weight. I have always been asked by people how come I am a lot bigger than them but they lift a lot more than me? Most of the time I just shrug it off unless they are serious then I critique them on form.

It's tough to watch some people in the gym in regards to their BAD form. Look at how most people do curls for example. Most people swing a lot and I mean a LOT. Even people using the preacher bench will not use proper form or even close. They do not even use 50% range of motion. They will use to much weight and pull it to the top then just pivot back and forth only moving their bicep 1 or 2 inches doing ZERO for growth. Focus on form and function.

**Geordiessuck** · 06-23-2015, 01:15 AM

Thanks for the advice.

I know what you mean about form, I've had a few injuries definitley due to that, from lat raises, dips, squats, you name it.

Sleep unfortunately I can't do much about. I try and get 7 hours a night, I go to bed about 10:30 and get up at 6. Usually I drop off without a problem but wake up at 2am and then toss and turn in and out of sleep after that. I'm taking a melatonin supplement which sometimes helps but it is very frustrating. Sounds like it hasn't affected you much in the way of growth though mate!

**lovbyts** · 06-23-2015, 02:34 AM

How much melatonin are you using? I know they come in 5mg. You should not use more than 1mg. I break mine into 1/4. I use to take 5mg until I found out it had the reverse effect when you take to much and I noticed a big difference.

There is a post recently on sleep that has some good info in it regarding light and how it effects us, even just a little light from a night light or desk and it's better to use a red bulb instead of white. Ill find it and post it.

http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-l...ml#post7069228

**Geordiessuck** · 06-23-2015, 03:40 AM

Shit the bed, I didn't know that! I've got 3mg tabs, I take 1, sometimes 2 a night when I wake up! I'm gonna have to look into that, where did you find out more mg can have the opposite effect?

Thanks for the article, I'll give it a look on my lunch break. Normally getting to sleep is absolutely fine, I'm shattered from the gym and work, just can't sleep straight through. I think the stress and anxiety because that doesn't happen ends up enforcing it even more, I bet you find that as well.

**NACH3** · 06-23-2015, 04:50 AM

Edit* LB gave you documented info! That's better!

**lovbyts** · 06-23-2015, 05:06 AM

Taking a typical dose (1 to 3 mg) may elevate your blood melatonin levels to 1 to 20 times normal. For melatonin to be helpful, the correct dosage, method and time of day it is taken must be appropriate to the sleep problem. Taking it at the "wrong" time of day may reset your biological clock in an undesirable direction. How much to take, when to take it, and melatonin's effectiveness, if any, for particular sleep disorders is only beginning to be understood.

The correct dosage of melatonin can be a problem. According to research conducted at MIT, the correct dosage of melatonin for it to be effective is 0.3 - 1.0 mg. Many commercially available forms of melatonin are in 3 to 10 times the amount your body would need. In fact, there is some evidence that higher doses may be less effective. In Europe, melatonin at very high doses has been used as a contraceptive.

Research is now revealing that our production of melatonin not only governs our circadian rhythms, but plays a role in scavenging free radicals and supporting the immune system. We know that melatonin is crucial to health, but flooding your system with melatonin doesn’t automatically mean less free radicals and a better immune system. It’s all about melatonin balance.

Melatonin can have side effects. Doses of melatonin (2-3 mg or higher) have reported side effects of:

Headaches
Nausea
Next-day grogginess
Hormone fluctuations
Vivid dreams and nightmares

http://www.doctoroz.com/article/mela...c-bullet-sleep

I hate to quote dr OZ but its the first one I ran across. there are other studies that show the same thing and I'm sure that's where he got his information.

**lovbyts** · 06-23-2015, 05:21 AM

BTW certain foods also help sleep. I knew about bananas already but learned a few others not long ago.

1. Cherries.
According to agricultural research studies, cherries are one of the only natural food sources of melatonin

2. Bananas.
Potassium and magnesium are natural muscle relaxants, and bananas are a good source of both.
So remember if you are taking vitamins make sure if you are supplementing Potassium, magnesium and I believe Calcium take them later in the day.

3. Toast.
Carbohydrate-rich foods cause a spike in blood sugar levels, triggering the body’s production of insulin to bring them back down. This is why you often feel a burst of energy in the first few minutes after eating carbs, then a “crash”

4. Scottish or Irish Oatmeal.
The truth is, ask Dr. Oz and he’ll suggest pumpkin seed powder and the Mexican alcoholic drink pulque before he gets to oatmeal, third on his list of sleep-inducing foods.

5. Warm milk.
The experts go back and forth on this on (with the dairy industry funding plenty of research), but there is some evidence that this tried and true sleep aid really does work. Although, according to scientific analysis, combining milk with a carbohydrate-rich food like oatmeal, granola, or toast makes it much more effective. Like bananas, milk contains the amino acid L-tryptophan, which turns to 5-HTP and releases relaxing serotonin. It’s also high in calcium and other minerals, known to have a relaxing effect

**Geordiessuck** · 06-23-2015, 08:41 AM

So I'm off to buy a red light then.

I was aware of milk helping sleep. I find eating something before bed stops me waking up with hunger at least, and lately I've been having a protein smoothie right before bed made from milk, banana, PB, oats and whey, so I'm probably already ticking those boxes :-).

I'd like to know how the lack of sleep affects someone on cycle as opposed to not on cycle, since that was why I started this post NO GAINS! What about someone on Tren , considering the trensomnia side. If it affects sleep so much why would people use it? Obv not hindering gains so much.

**NACH3** · 06-23-2015, 09:09 AM

Originally Posted by Geordiessuck

So I'm off to buy a red light then.

I was aware of milk helping sleep. I find eating something before bed stops me waking up with hunger at least, and lately I've been having a protein smoothie right before bed made from milk, banana, PB, oats and whey, so I'm probably already ticking those boxes :-).

I'd like to know how the lack of sleep affects someone on cycle as opposed to not on cycle, since that was why I started this post NO GAINS! What about someone on Tren, considering the trensomnia side. If it affects sleep so much why would people use it? Obv not hindering gains so much.

I don't sleep well period, but on cycle I wake up due to hunger and I usually end up staying awake until my session is done with then keep eating all day!

You've got to remember Tren is 5x more anabolic /& androgenic than test - so if one is running 500mgs a wk of Tren = 2500mgs of test!!! I sure hope someone would gain w/that and another 500mgs of test(just an example for easy math) your doing 3G a wk in reality

**lovbyts** · 06-23-2015, 03:53 PM

I know from personal it can effect it a lot. I can't put any numbers to it but I was only getting 4-6 hrs sleep and my gains were meager at best.

**Geordiessuck** · 06-26-2015, 12:49 AM

Originally Posted by NACH3

I don't sleep well period, but on cycle I wake up due to hunger and I usually end up staying awake until my session is done with then keep eating all day!

You've got to remember Tren is 5x more anabolic/& androgenic than test - so if one is running 500mgs a wk of Tren = 2500mgs of test!!! I sure hope someone would gain w/that and another 500mgs of test(just an example for easy math) your doing 3G a wk in reality

So you're saying I should jump on the Tren then? ;-)