Little groggy

**Avi3510** · 07-08-2015, 06:43 PM

Is it normal to be a little groggy first few weeks of my first enanthate cycle? I'm following Austinites protocol, 500 e wk, 500 iu hcg wk, and .25 mg adex eod. I'm only week and a half in and I just feel a little lethargic, not enough though to effect workouts, still slamming HIT style and loving it. But after hearing rumors about rage and superman effects, which I know wouldn't take place till roughly week four either way, I didn't expect to feel sluggish.

**thatgymdude** · 07-09-2015, 03:48 AM

I don't think you are going to have that kind of effects just with Enan. Also I don't think Enan itself is making you feel lazy. Did you change your routine? Are you sleeping less?

**tice1212** · 07-09-2015, 04:58 AM

I can almost guarantee that the test E is not giving u the lethargic feeling. It takes 10days for the drug to start working in ur system first off. Secondly I have never heard or experienced any one being lethargic on just test. Now if there is a oral aas or PH that you are taking then I can for sure see that being the case.

**Avi3510** · 07-09-2015, 07:13 AM

Routine is the same. No changes. I'm wondering if maybe the test is slightly underdosed, and then maybe the adex is dropping my e2, but lethargy is the only thing I'm feeling. And it's not bad, like I said it's not having any impact on my workouts, and it actually don't feel as bad today. I just feel mellow as hell, like I'm on opiates or something lol. So I'm not really complaining, just curious if it was a common experience, or maybe a sign of something significant. I realize as well that the only sure way to know is with bw, so I almost didn't post anything.

**WhiteBoy18** · 07-09-2015, 11:37 AM

I was getting really tired on my low test high tren cycle. Added arimidex @ 0.25mg EOD. Immediatly lost water weight and felt 10x better. If you are not getting blood work done you will have to mess around with your adex dosage. Powerful stuff be careful. Try .25mg ED or go the opposite way. Try .25mg E3D. See what makes you feel better

Or go get blood work and you will know exactly what is going on. ( FREE in canada)

**Avi3510** · 07-09-2015, 12:30 PM

Free in Canada for u.s. citizens?

**NACH3** · 07-09-2015, 02:05 PM

Originally Posted by Avi3510

Free in Canada for u.s. citizens?

Online bw(private md labs.com - discount lab .com(I think) etc - one word lol

Don't go changing your foes around w/out BW since it's your first cycle(if anything go backwards(dex is not supposed to be ran ed on 500mgs of test) plus it's hlf life is +-36 hrs... So it'd be .25 EOD(I'd stay here for a bit and if it gets worse then your test may be bunk - or way UDed) but if it starts to kick and still not at wk 6 for BW I'd go .25 e3d(usually one would use .5e3d) so it's a learning process... The hardest part besides diet lol

BW is the only way -low E2 is bad and share many of the same symptoms - one you can distinguish from is your joints will ache, your urine stream will be weak and may stop and start - or like hairy forcing it out... Update us and let us know... GL

**Avi3510** · 07-09-2015, 06:08 PM

Originally Posted by NACH3

Online bw(private md labs.com - discount lab .com(I think) etc - one word lol

Don't go changing your foes around w/out BW since it's your first cycle(if anything go backwards(dex is not supposed to be ran ed on 500mgs of test) plus it's hlf life is +-36 hrs... So it'd be .25 EOD(I'd stay here for a bit and if it gets worse then your test may be bunk - or way UDed) but if it starts to kick and still not at wk 6 for BW I'd go .25 e3d(usually one would use .5e3d) so it's a learning process... The hardest part besides diet lol

BW is the only way -low E2 is bad and share many of the same symptoms - one you can distinguish from is your joints will ache, your urine stream will be weak and may stop and start - or like hairy forcing it out... Update us and let us know... GL

Thanks Nach. I believe we talked about the online labs already. I live in NY, and was gonna have to go over the boarder. You.were supposed to talk to your pops and get at me.
But anyway I wouldn't change a thing till bw, but like I said I'm having issues with that. I'm not experiencing anything than being a bit sluggish but I'd say it's better today and I'm thinking in a few weeks once test levels build up I'll be solid.

**Ashop** · 07-09-2015, 07:42 PM

Originally Posted by WhiteBoy18

I was getting really tired on my low test high tren cycle. Added arimidex @ 0.25mg EOD. Immediatly lost water weight and felt 10x better. If you are not getting blood work done you will have to mess around with your adex dosage. Powerful stuff be careful. Try .25mg ED or go the opposite way. Try .25mg E3D. See what makes you feel better

Or go get blood work and you will know exactly what is going on. ( FREE in canada)

I'd have to agree with you I would adjust that ARIMIDEX dosage to E3D.
Are you taking any pre workout supps?

**Avi3510** · 07-09-2015, 08:37 PM

Originally Posted by ALIN

I'd have to agree with you I would adjust that ARIMIDEX dosage to E3D.
Are you taking any pre workout supps?

I don't take any pre workouts. I'm gonna try and ride it out a little while longer because I'm only roughly 10 days into a test enanthate only cycle. I figure if in another week or so I'm still feeling sluggish I'll try e3d.

**NACH3** · 07-10-2015, 06:03 AM

Originally Posted by Avi3510

Thanks Nach. I believe we talked about the online labs already. I live in NY, and was gonna have to go over the boarder. You.were supposed to talk to your pops and get at me.
But anyway I wouldn't change a thing till bw, but like I said I'm having issues with that. I'm not experiencing anything than being a bit sluggish but I'd say it's better today and I'm thinking in a few weeks once test levels build up I'll be solid.

Yes we have, I'm gonna be talking w/you about that soon(I talk to him today anyway) I'll def get back to you buddy - and I think your right - it could just be the influx phase of your hormones causing this...

**Avi3510** · 07-10-2015, 07:05 AM

Originally Posted by NACH3

Yes we have, I'm gonna be talking w/you about that soon(I talk to him today anyway) I'll def get back to you buddy - and I think your right - it could just be the influx phase of your hormones causing this...

Ok. Sounds good man. So, hears what I just realized, and I feel like an idiot. But I bought sublingual b12 from ar-r , and i just realized I was miss reading the recommended dosage and have been taking six times the recommended amount!! It's been since the start of the cycle, so roughly 11 days ago. Not sure if that's the reason or not for the slight lethargy but I'm thinking it might. And of course I realized this after taking another dose this morning. So I'll probably take a few days off then take the appropriate .5 ml instead of the 3 ml I have been taking.

**NACH3** · 07-10-2015, 07:56 AM

Originally Posted by Avi3510

Ok. Sounds good man. So, hears what I just realized, and I feel like an idiot. But I bought sublingual b12 from ar-r, and i just realized I was miss reading the recommended dosage and have been taking six times the recommended amount!! It's been since the start of the cycle, so roughly 11 days ago. Not sure if that's the reason or not for the slight lethargy but I'm thinking it might. And of course I realized this after taking another dose this morning. So I'll probably take a few days off then take the appropriate .5 ml instead of the 3 ml I have been taking.

B-12 should give you more NRG(idk about 3x the dose) but yes do that for now - oddly b12 makes me break out - I didn't think it was the b12 but once dropped I kept everything the same and it dissipated quickly... Coulda been a coincidence. But I've heard this from a few others.. Not many tho