6 weeks post pct blood work, help

**641** · 07-29-2015, 09:20 PM

6 weeks post pct, but my levels aren't looking good.. what should I do?

Total t 512 out of 348~1197

Free t 12 5~21

Estradiol 22 8~35

Igf 171 130~430

**thephoenix25** · 07-29-2015, 09:37 PM

Originally Posted by 641

6 weeks post pct, but my levels aren't looking good.. what should I do?

Total t 512 out of 348~1197

Free t 12 5~21

Estradiol 22 8~35

Igf 171 130~430

What were your pre-cycle bloods? All those are within range.

**641** · 07-29-2015, 09:40 PM

Originally Posted by thephoenix25

What were your pre-cycle bloods? All those are within range.

I'm not sure I was an idiot before I started and didn't know what I was doing, I'm still having libido and wood problems, isn't that test level for a 20 year old low?

**thephoenix25** · 07-29-2015, 10:05 PM

This is why pre-cycle bloods are so important, everyone's optimum levels are individual to them. There isn't a one size fits all here, thats why the range is so wide 348-1197. I, for example am 39 y/o and have a Total t of 380, very low on the scale, but I function normally.

There are other people on this site who are vastly more experienced than I am, so please wait for their input, but if it were me and I felt I'd not recovered properly, I would look into running another PCT, then wait another 6-8 weeks and test again. Not sure how soon you could/should run another PCT though.

Whilst your other thread is a little too graphic for me, I've read what you wrote. I would suggest that gauging your labido, strenght of wood etc on your response to porn may not be your best approach. Zero foreplay, no intimacy, immediate expectation etc, you can become desensitized to sex from porn as there is no chase or lead up to "the event".

**641** · 07-29-2015, 10:19 PM

How long of a pct should I run

**thephoenix25** · 07-29-2015, 10:32 PM

You really should wait for the other more experienced members to add their input before you do anything, but I'd expect to run something like a typical 4 week clomid 75/50/50/50 nolv 40/20/20/20

**DrewZ** · 07-29-2015, 11:18 PM

Thats not horrible, what vitamins are you taking?

Get a good multi, take 5000iu D3 with a fatty meal each day and take some zinc or ZMA at bed time.

Just shared this in another post, heres what D3 did for my Test.

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**641** · 07-30-2015, 04:34 AM

Should I run a pct for two weeks since my testes are producing?

**Mr.BB** · 07-30-2015, 05:30 AM

What are the LH and FSH values?

**641** · 07-30-2015, 05:59 AM

Originally Posted by Mr.BB

What are the LH and FSH values?

idk i did the male hormone panel from private md

should i do another blood test now or pct?

if i run pct how long should i do it for?

**Mr.BB** · 07-30-2015, 06:25 AM

Originally Posted by 641

idk i did the male hormone panel from private md

should i do another blood test now or pct?

if i run pct how long should i do it for?

Need to see LH and FSH to understand the values.

But based on what you showed, your test and free test are mid range so you dont need PCT. If you had precycle values it could be compared and maybe do something about it, but who knows what were your values before, doing another PCT could set those values up or down...
Its normal for testosterone not to return to top of the range after a cycle in young people.

You seem a very unstable person (which is normal in many young), try to focus your life on the important stuff.

**641** · 07-30-2015, 10:52 AM

Any other inputs if I should run pct again or not

**The Deadlifting Dog** · 07-30-2015, 11:08 AM

Do not run another PCT.
Get bloodwork done in another 4-6 weeks.
When was your blood drawn?

**641** · 07-30-2015, 11:22 AM

Originally Posted by The Deadlifting Dog

Do not run another PCT.
Get bloodwork done in another 4-6 weeks.
When was your blood drawn?

Exactly 5 weeks and 5 days post pct morning after I woke up (well I wake up around 2 and got it done at 2:45)

**Metalject** · 07-30-2015, 02:08 PM

You cannot tell anything at this stage, blood or not whatever the numbers are at this stage are somewhat meaningless.
You cannot run a cycle, run a PCT and expect everything to be magical greatness in a mere few weeks. Even if your PCT was some sort of spot on grand designed PCT this isn't physically possible.
Full recovery from a cycle, everything back to where it was pre-cycle can take months.

**641** · 07-31-2015, 10:34 AM

Oh, I was under the impression a few weeks post pct the average person should be back to were they were,

Also to the other guy just bought zinc and d3 I'm going to take everyday and retest bloods in two months

**mike198** · 07-31-2015, 03:42 PM

Originally Posted by DrewZ

Thats not horrible, what vitamins are you taking? Get a good multi, take 5000iu D3 with a fatty meal each day and take some zinc or ZMA at bed time. Just shared this in another post, heres what D3 did for my Test. <img src="http://forums.steroid.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=158395"/>

That's incredible! Do you take d3 year round or do you save it for when off cycle?

**The Deadlifting Dog** · 07-31-2015, 09:22 PM

Take the D3 year round.
You may need to take less in the summer if you are tanning.

**DrewZ** · 08-01-2015, 12:38 AM

Originally Posted by mike198

That's incredible! Do you take d3 year round or do you save it for when off cycle?

These results were before I ever cycled.

I live in the desert "Valley of the sun" and I run it year round.

From what I've read most people are deficient and 5000iu daily is a moderate dose.

Doses of 10000iu or more for extended periods of time (30+ days) can become toxic.

You can read more about it at Vitamin D - Scientific Review on Usage, Dosage, Side Effects | Examine.com

**641** · 08-01-2015, 05:56 PM

Fuk I panicked when I got my bloods back and took 50 Clomid and 20' nolva. Since that day a few says ago it feels like I'm back to square one zero drive and wood, ( until then I could get semi aroused and 85%)

Did I fuk myself up

**workinprogress21** · 08-02-2015, 02:30 AM

Originally Posted by 641

Fuk I panicked when I got my bloods back and took 50 Clomid and 20' nolva. Since that day a few says ago it feels like I'm back to square one zero drive and wood, ( until then I could get semi aroused and 85%) Did I fuk myself up

You **** yourself up more and more each time you ask "did I **** myself up?" Just relax.

**mike198** · 08-03-2015, 07:08 PM

Originally Posted by The Deadlifting Dog

Take the D3 year round. You may need to take less in the summer if you are tanning.

Ok. As far as dosing goes, what would you recommend for someone like my stats: 5'8", 185, ~10 BF. I do drink skim milk, and I'm not the biggest or tallest, so I would imagine 5000 IUs/day would be a bit much

**mike198** · 08-24-2015, 03:15 PM

I tried dosing the vitamin d3 at 5000 IU's a day and the only thing I noticed was constipation, faster heart beat at night, and insomnia. I backed off the dose to 1000 IU's a day and symptoms ceased. Interestingly enough, I read up on sides for d3 overload and mine were at the top of the list.