Planning next cycle

**Jesusbrah** · 10-23-2015, 11:00 AM

Trying to plan my 3rd cycle, and im between 2 options

Test 400 mg and deca 600 mg for 12 weeks + dbol 20 mg 6 weeks

Or

Test 750-1000 mg for 12 weeks + dbol 20 mg for 6 weeks.

Hcg , ai and pct included of cource.

Reason im asking is i know deca shuts you down hard, and im wondering if 600 mg deca will give me bang for the buck. Goal with cycle is to swell up and gain as much lean tissue as possible. Have run test, tren , winny and some prohormones in the past. Im about 6'4, 230 lbs and around 12% bf.

No nitpicking about my age please

**Mr. Small** · 10-23-2015, 12:18 PM

Run more Test than Deca e.g. Test 600mg and Deca 400mg.......but Test only for 3rd cycle is fine, maybe 750mg

**Jesusbrah** · 10-23-2015, 01:46 PM

Originally Posted by Mr. Small

Run more Test than Deca e.g. Test 600mg and Deca 400mg.......but Test only for 3rd cycle is fine, maybe 750mg

Thanks, but i think i will be running higher deca than test. Estrogen will be easier to manage.

Does anyone else have an opinion?

**SOL!D5NAK3** · 10-23-2015, 03:39 PM

Originally Posted by Jesusbrah

Thanks, but i think i will be running higher deca than test. Estrogen will be easier to manage. Does anyone else have an opinion?

Option number 1 looks good,though you can use dbol at 40mg but for 4 weeks with better result

**Mr.BB** · 10-23-2015, 04:31 PM

Hope its you in the avatar to be worth it destroying your HPTA @ 20 years old...

**The Deadlifting Dog** · 10-23-2015, 06:09 PM

Originally Posted by Jesusbrah

Thanks, but i think i will be running higher deca than test. Estrogen will be easier to manage. Does anyone else have an opinion?

Change your username.

**Jesusbrah** · 10-23-2015, 07:21 PM

Originally Posted by The Deadlifting Dog

Change your username.

**Back In Black** · 10-24-2015, 02:29 AM

Originally Posted by Jesusbrah

Folk have been banned for language like that, is that you way you want to go?

**AR's King Silabolin** · 10-24-2015, 04:43 AM

500 mg deca and 500 mg test is twice as good as 1000 mg test. Dbolkickstart is ok. But, its not worth it. I guess you love bodybuilding and wanna do it for 50 years. Well, as MrBB said, its too risky when you are so young. You have already run steroids . Well, check your total test and pray its stil 500+. If so dig into the training and the world of food and you will grow. Your nest cyle should be tons of oats and eggs. You really wanna start trt + hcg + ai for life when you are 23?. And be forced to donate every 3 month.
Come on man, tons of girls waiting for you outthere. Let them be patient for 3-4 more years. Then you tren up and get those suckers.

**TheTaxMan** · 10-24-2015, 05:40 AM

I would go test and deca , i think you will yeild more muscle from it.

I personaly prefer the test higher than the deca, you say you want lower test to help lower estrogen, but your considering a gram of test as the other option?

If you run your AI correctly you will be fine
Id go Test around 600mg, Deca 400mg

**NACH3** · 10-24-2015, 08:05 AM

Only you can know if your body reacts better to test(higher doses) or test deca ... Deca aromatizes at 20% the rate of test - so yeah it could be easier to manage E2 - on paper but not always the case when cycling! We all respond differently!

If you've jumped the deca for tren already - can I ask why? Try NPP... I prefer NPP over deca anyday of the wk... And your looking for more LBM gains... With your diet/training on point you'll be better off(less bloat - which can be controlled with upping water intake and low sodium) just my opinion on the same compound just a shorter ester! It'll give you leaner gains imo with good diet and training(which I think you have under control(by your stats)... One thing I'd prime my bf down more to open up that growth(anabolic ) environment

**Jesusbrah** · 10-24-2015, 08:17 AM

Originally Posted by Back In Black

Folk have been banned for language like that, is that you way you want to go?

Originally Posted by Silabolin

500 mg deca and 500 mg test is twice as good as 1000 mg test. Dbolkickstart is ok. But, its not worth it. I guess you love bodybuilding and wanna do it for 50 years. Well, as MrBB said, its too risky when you are so young. You have already run steroids . Well, check your total test and pray its stil 500+. If so dig into the training and the world of food and you will grow. Your nest cyle should be tons of oats and eggs. You really wanna start trt + hcg + ai for life when you are 23?. And be forced to donate every 3 month.
Come on man, tons of girls waiting for you outthere. Let them be patient for 3-4 more years. Then you tren up and get those suckers.

When i started lifting at the age of 14, i was 6´1 and about 100-110 lbs. At 19, before i started steroids, i was 6´3 215 lbs. Im already quite familiar with oats and eggs, gaining over a 100 lbs in 5 years natural

Originally Posted by TheTaxMan

I personaly prefer the test higher than the deca, you say you want lower test to help lower estrogen, but your considering a gram of test as the other option?

Is there a specific reason why you prefer test higher? My first cycle was 500 mg test, and got some unwanted bloat. Figured out the high test in cycles is what usually causes the common sides (have no proof of this, just my hypothesis) so i tried 250 test 500 tren for 2nd cycle. No sides like the first cycle at all. Been reading around and it seems like alot of people agree with me, including jimmyinkedup -->

I personally prefer allowing the more powerful steroid , either deca or tren , to be the workhorse and run my test low.

**Jesusbrah** · 10-24-2015, 08:45 AM

Originally Posted by NACH3

Only you can know if your body reacts better to test(higher doses) or test deca ... Deca aromatizes at 20% the rate of test - so yeah it could be easier to manage E2 - on paper but not always the case when cycling! We all respond differently!

If you've jumped the deca for tren already - can I ask why? Try NPP... I prefer NPP over deca anyday of the wk... And your looking for more LBM gains... With your diet/training on point you'll be better off(less bloat - which can be controlled with upping water intake and low sodium) just my opinion on the same compound just a shorter ester! It'll give you leaner gains imo with good diet and training(which I think you have under control(by your stats)... One thing I'd prime my bf down more to open up that growth(anabolic) environment

Thanks for the on-topic answer. Reason im choosing deca over tren and npp is because my regular supplier is not in the business anymore, and my new guy charges outrageous prices for npp and tren, so its not really an option. And i dont really fancy injection eod again

**fxrjuiceman** · 10-24-2015, 09:25 AM

Can't go wrong with the IRON STACK

**NACH3** · 10-24-2015, 10:36 AM

Originally Posted by Jesusbrah

Thanks for the on-topic answer. Reason im choosing deca over tren and npp is because my regular supplier is not in the business anymore, and my new guy charges outrageous prices for npp and tren, so its not really an option. And i dont really fancy injection eod again

Man I hate that Sh!t lol!

Have you ran test higher than 600mgs? If not... I could see a nice high test cycle... But if test bloats you a little, I like your idea of running the Deca higher! Deca and NPP was a great cycle for me... I combined the NPP in w/the Deca for a frontload and did run my nandrolone (both Deca/& NPP) higher than my test - but my test wasn't low either... Nothing too high but over 600 we'll sayin here)

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Here's what im thinking too... If you bloat w/test - you'll bloat w/Deca & d-Bol(you can try pulsing your d-Bol to get more outta it and it will keep those sides at bay - that's the whole point of pulsing the oral) once sny sides creep up drop it... So w/drol I pulsed 10on 10-14off - some can go 14on 14off or 10off etc - all depends on when any type of sides start - usually water Ret, stomach probs, eating/appetite etc! That's why I prefer NPP but this can all be controlled - diet and adequate water intake!

Woukd you consider maybe 1:1 ratio - 600/600 w/a d-Bol pulse or backload imo??

**Back In Black** · 10-24-2015, 12:28 PM

Originally Posted by Jesusbrah

Hmmmmmmmm

**TheTaxMan** · 10-24-2015, 03:54 PM

@OP

Ive never tried a lower test than the other compound im runing

Always get great results and feel great on cycle, so come to the conclusion of dont change a habbit if its doing me well, and i think more people prefer high test, but there will be some who prefer the opposite

Try both overtime and see what you prefer is probably the best thing to do

**Jesusbrah** · 10-24-2015, 08:04 PM

Originally Posted by NACH3

Woukd you consider maybe 1:1 ratio - 600/600 w/a d-Bol pulse or backload imo??

No problem bumping the test to 600. D-bol pulse sounds interesting, will look into it.

**Althenery** · 10-24-2015, 08:40 PM

600 mg deca 300-400 mg test = less side effects and great quality gains

**marcus300** · 10-25-2015, 02:43 AM

You shouldn't be cycling, the last picture I saw you had legs looked like a young teenager long distance runner.

Build a base and stop ruining your body at such a young age

steroids aren't the answer for guys like you

will you listen = no

will I look in here again = no

do you take the piss every time someone else's posts = yes

so here are your legs - do you even lift

**Jesusbrah** · 10-25-2015, 04:45 AM

Originally Posted by marcus300

You shouldn't be cycling, the last picture I saw you had legs looked like a young teenager long distance runner.

Build a base and stop ruining your body at such a young age

steroids aren't the answer for guys like you

will you listen = no

will I look in here again = no

do you take the piss every time someone else's posts = yes

so here are your legs - do you even lift

Haha, yeah my legs suck. Neglected them for a long time, last year i started working them.

But if you ask me, with scrawny legs like mine my 230 lbs in just the upper body is pretty good?

Btw they are bigger now, especially the calves.

**TheTaxMan** · 10-25-2015, 04:59 AM

Marcus' point there is if you want to take the piss out of people, make sure your 300lbs, ripped to the bone and in proportion lol

Get on those leg machines and get squating

**Jesusbrah** · 10-25-2015, 05:12 AM

Btw marcus, "guys like me"? What do you mean? People who workout for 1/4 of their life before considering steroids ? People who dont like working legs because of intense pain from former injuries? Dont talk like you know me.

**Jesusbrah** · 10-25-2015, 05:13 AM

Originally Posted by TheTaxMan

Marcus' point there is if you want to take the piss out of people, make sure your 300lbs, ripped to the bone and in proportion lol

Get on those leg machines and get squating

Take the piss? I just have strong opinions and like to stay on topic. No intentions of "pissing" on the answers i get.

**marcus300** · 10-25-2015, 05:41 AM

Originally Posted by Jesusbrah

Btw marcus, "guys like me"? What do you mean? People who workout for 1/4 of their life before considering steroids? People who dont like working legs because of intense pain from former injuries? Dont talk like you know me.

Post a picture then let's have a look because I really don't believe you. I think your just young and think steroids are the answer. You go around taking the piss all the time so post a picture because from your stats you shouldn't be cycling .

Let me take a wild guess. You won't post because of some reason but remember you can blank out faces and tatts and if you can't send it to me in pm and I'll do it.

Imho you shouldn't be cycling your going to cause yourself harm.

**Jesusbrah** · 10-25-2015, 05:57 AM

Originally Posted by marcus300

Post a picture then let's have a look because I really don't believe you. I think your just young and think steroids are the answer. You go around taking the piss all the time so post a picture because from your stats you shouldn't be cycling .

Let me take a wild guess. You won't post because of some reason but remember you can blank out faces and tatts and if you can't send it to me in pm and I'll do it.

Imho you shouldn't be cycling your going to cause yourself harm.

If i blank out my tats there wont be much left for you to see

But marcus, in all seriousness, i have nothing to prove to you. You seem like a good guy, trying to teach a kid what is best for him. But i wrote clearly in the original post "no notpicking about my age". I have had this kinds of discussions to many times now, on this forum and irl. Im a grown man and i have made my mind. And i stand by my choice of using steroids, no mather how foolish it might be. Im not a stupid guy, believe me, im not looking for shortcuts or quickfixes. I wouldnt have started steroids if it wasnt for the fact that my gains were slowing down tremendously at the time.

**marcus300** · 10-25-2015, 06:07 AM

Originally Posted by Jesusbrah

If i blank out my tats there wont be much left for you to see

But marcus, in all seriousness, i have nothing to prove to you. You seem like a good guy, trying to teach a kid what is best for him. But i wrote clearly in the original post "no notpicking about my age". I have had this kinds of discussions to many times now, on this forum and irl. Im a grown man and i have made my mind. And i stand by my choice of using steroids, no mather how foolish it might be. Im not a stupid guy, believe me, im not looking for shortcuts or quickfixes. I wouldnt have started steroids if it wasnt for the fact that my gains were slowing down tremendously at the time.

I knew you would have an excuse not to post pictures and in my opinion your lying about your stats ( I have strong opinions aswell like you do

)

You look like you don't train, you have no foundation what so ever and most of all your 19yrs old or even 20 yrs who is going to really destroy your HPTA and one day you will be on here crying about not getting a hard on and that's the best thing about low test trust me.

So my only answer to you is do not cycle and from your response your not interested in guys telling you that which is fair enough but you do know I know better than you when it comes to this but its your health and HPTA.

So I will leave your thread so other people who are of similar age advice you how to cycle

best of luck you'll need it

**Jesusbrah** · 10-25-2015, 06:46 AM

Originally Posted by marcus300

I knew you would have an excuse not to post pictures and in my opinion your lying about your stats ( I have strong opinions aswell like you do

)

Im not lying about anything, i have better things to do than lying on forums for attention. I came looking for peoples opinion on this specific topic, and only that.

The reason i dont want to post a pic of my upper body is because i dont want to be identified. My legs are fine posting, you need some great eyes to identify me by those. But my upper body is different. You have my abs which looks unique for every person alive. You have my tattoos which will still be easly identified, even when blurred based on the location on the blurr. Not only that, lots of other reasons i can think of where people will be able to identify me.

You ask for pm. I dont know you. For all i know, we could be having a discussion in the future and you will post the pic. Most of my friends, family, colleagues assosiates etc dont know about my steroid use , and they shall never eather. It will have to many consequenses if it gets public, and im nlt risking anything just to prove im not a liar to a stranger i so happened to talk to online.

**tempest818** · 10-25-2015, 04:32 PM

God damn that avatar...marcus....jesus christ man.

And jesusbrah why have you or why do u even want to cycle? Do you compete or make a living off of bodybuilding? I was honestly considering a cycle and had everything lined up, and besides all the potential hazards that guys like marcus told me about, i realized..."wtf am i doing....im not competing with anyone else for a job involving my body, im going to blow all this money, and on top of that, im going to grow old with a potentially soft dick just because i wanted to cycle". At first i envied these older guys for being able to justify their cycles because they have already developed, but then i realized that some of them envy OUR ability to grow so ****ing fast with the amount of test pulsing through our bodies naturally....

But its your choice obviously and im not your mother or father. Im just curious sometimes as to why other people my age want to run cycles whether its a mental thing or their job or whatever it may be...not trying to disrespect.