First cycle plan (18 years old)

[jborch]

Hey everyone ive been lifting for about two years now and am interested in starting a cycle consisting of:

Cycle:
Test e 250 mg x 2 Weeks: 1-12
Dianabol Weeks: 1-6 (25 mg) everyday
Arimidex on hand in case gyno

PCT:
Weeks: 14-15 Nolva 40 mg ed
Week: 16 Nolva 20 mg ed
Including natural test booster in PCT (Beast super test)

Advice would be appreciated I want to do this as safely as I can, Im 161lbs 8-9% BF
Thanks.

[TheTaxMan]

Far too young to be cycling, far too many risks that you may have to deal with for the rest of your life

You need to work on your nutrition and training to gain weight.

Dont think of steroids until your 25.

I know this is not what you wanted to hear but thats the best advice for you.

[jborch]

im 18 and 171cm I have had x-rays done for previous injury and they indicate that all my growth plates have closed if that helps

[Geeezer]

For sure way to YOUNG to cycle

[jborch]

thats what i look like

[Bio-Active]

<img src="http://forums.steroid.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=160738"/> thats what i look like

You look great... No need to cycle yet. I bet you can still make great gains by tweaking your nutrition and training. I suggest posting up your meal plan for review and training brother and see if you can make some more gains. Again great work

[jborch]

Ive talked to a two guys that are now in there mid 20s that started at 18-19 they are just fine and they never used pct either

Im not gonna lie there is still a pretty decent chance im gonna end up going through with it.. If i do end up doing this cycle would there be anything youd recommend for harm reduction??

[Bio-Active]

Ive talked to a two guys that are now in there mid 20s that started at 18-19 they are just fine and they never used pct either

Im not gonna lie there is still a pretty decent chance im gonna end up going through with it.. If i do end up doing this cycle would there be anything youd recommend for harm reduction??

What do you mean just fine? How do you know that? I suggest you read a couple of the stickies. Cycles and the young and planning and executing my first successful cycle

[jborch]

he got bloods done, Anything in particular you recommend reading up on?
Thanks for the reply's I really appreciate it

[Mr.BB]

Your hormonal system has not fully matured, has nothing to do with growth plates, messing with it will cause caos in your hormones from which you might never recover.
Furthermore you are at your lifes peak of your own natural testosterone, taking steroids will halt this peak production and will never get back as high. Enjoy these years as you dont have a 2nd chance.

Read this:

http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...-steroids.html

http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...%2A%2A%2A.html

[Bio-Active]

he got bloods done, Anything in particular you recommend reading up on?
Thanks for the reply's I really appreciate it

He got bloods how long after completing his pct? Did he get bloods done pre cycle to get his baseline numbers? Read those two stickies that I posted. Everything you need to know is in them

[jmalls]

Do what I did at 19 and follow advice of people who have been using a steroids for years. Get blood work! That is what stopped me from running a cycle as young as I was. There are a few private labs that do it if you don't want to go through your M.D. I bet looking at you that your testosterone levels are just fine and you have growth left. I'm going on 26 and just now this year stopped seeing gains. And I have taken all of this time to fine tune all of the other variables in my life so when I do add in AAS I'll get the most out. Just trying to give you the same advice as I had given to me.

[jborch]

yeah he got his done pre, during and post.. if i do end up cycling i will do the same thing

I want to add that I plan on competing in the future as I believe i may have potential

[jborch]

Thanks for the links Mr.BB ill be sure to read up

[BeeStung]

not to be rude or anything but i understand what everyones intentions here are and how everyone on the forum is here to help but if the kid thinks he wants to or need to gear up then nothing any of us can say will change his mind. like he said, hes going to do it regardless so shouldnt it be our job to make sure that what he is doing is being done right regardless of the age? he asked for everyone to look at his cycle so he can get feedback on it. im sure he knows hes to young for juice but still thats not important to him.

[TheTaxMan]

Hes been given fair advice and advised to read up some important articles/stickies which he seems happy with

i think he will do before making his mind up completley. Once read and he still decides to cycle, then he can get more help.

[BeeStung]

i agree with that but you and i both know that if hes as driven as he seems to be and he has the chance to get some quality product theres nothing thats going to change his mind.

ill add that to the advice. make sure you have a good strong and reliable source. dont just order something off the internet.

[TheTaxMan]

Of course, its very hard to change ones mind when its already made up.
Ive been advised against this and that but still chose to go with this and that.

But we still have to try our best to encourage youngsters to stay away from
steroids.

I will aways advise that first and if they still persist then i would be willing to help what compounds and ancillaries to use so they arent totaly in the dark, but thats last resort.

[Mr.BB]

not to be rude or anything but i understand what everyones intentions here are and how everyone on the forum is here to help but if the kid thinks he wants to or need to gear up then nothing any of us can say will change his mind. like he said, hes going to do it regardless so shouldnt it be our job to make sure that what he is doing is being done right regardless of the age? he asked for everyone to look at his cycle so he can get feedback on it. im sure he knows hes to young for juice but still thats not important to him.

Thats just stupid.

If somebody wants to jump off a bridge and has his mind set for it, would you advise on what to wear and proper angle to jump??

Seems to me you dont know the problems with taking steroids at young age, maybe you are young yourself...

[BeeStung]

i would say that your example is a little extreme but nonetheless i would say yes? the isnt a place for morals. its for guidance and knowledge. if you suggest something and someone doesnt follow you should shun them for not believing in what you THINK is right

[hawk14dl]

Guidance and knowledge. . That's what they're providing. Aren't you reading these posts beestung?

[BeeStung]

Yes i am and what Im saying is that if you suggest something based off of age (which can be a opinionated topic to some) and the person disagrees then either help guide them the best you can or dont comment on it

[bloodchoke]

not to be rude or anything but i understand what everyones intentions here are and how everyone on the forum is here to help but if the kid thinks he wants to or need to gear up then nothing any of us can say will change his mind. like he said, hes going to do it regardless so shouldnt it be our job to make sure that what he is doing is being done right regardless of the age? he asked for everyone to look at his cycle so he can get feedback on it. im sure he knows hes to young for juice but still thats not important to him.

Hey guys, I'm going to hurt myself. What would you recommend, cutting or burning? Thanks in advance.

[BeeStung]

Hey guys, I'm going to hurt myself. What would you recommend, cutting or burning? Thanks in advance.

i think this is being taken out of context. i understand the gear can really damage you long term but really guys. hes coming to you for help and advice and you say "dont do it." "ok good but im going to do it anyway" so now what? "well since you dont listen to us that ur to young you can go screw yourself"?

TheTaxMan has the right idea. advise against it and if he still does it then help. thats all im saying

[73rr]

No one should hand someone bullets to a gun they already have.

Everyone said don't don it. And to read the stickies. That's as far as it needs to go.

If he is smart he will read the stickies. Not only because it should talk him out of it but also because it will tell him the proper way to do this. NO ONE SHOULD JUST GIVE A 18 YEAR OLD THE OK TO RUN GEAR. Just like u wouldMt show a 18 year old how to smoke crack.

[NACH3]

i think this is being taken out of context. i understand the gear can really damage you long term but really guys. hes coming to you for help and advice and you say "dont do it." "ok good but im going to do it anyway" so now what? "well since you dont listen to us that ur to young you can go screw yourself"?

TheTaxMan has the right idea. advise against it and if he still does it then help. thats all im saying

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That's not what's being said.... We simply won't give the bullet to load his gun - what h chooses to do is in him - OP regardless of your Epiphyseal plates being sealed your brain and HPTA(inside your brain) keeps developing past your 20's - no set age but endocrinologists say 25 gives you the best chance that your endocrine system will be fully developed!
Read the links provided, please! Then there's still risks and surely no guarantees...

I'm on TRT and cycled 'safely and correctly with a proper pct etc' this was when I was 29-30 first time(now there were some past issues - head trauma - but living with low T(being hypogonadal is no fun believe me when I say if you were to do a blog in the HRT forum I pretty much guarantee everyone would like to have thei normal T levels) and it's just not smart to shut yourself down at your age(and still know when your older there isn't any guarantees!

And guys no rec drug talk! Thx

http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...%2A%2A%2A.html

^^ there are ongoing cases that are added to this list of kids who've cycled and thought nothing would happen... Just give it read... I do commend you for sticking around and listening! Look over post #30 as well... GL

[RickyReed]

I am with everyone else why come on here and want to know stuff and then not implement it into your schedule! Just amazes me on how some of these one's are so inclined to be so way out there and have no idea what's waiting out there for them to come!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[73rr]

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That's not what's being said.... We simply won't give the bullet to load his gun - what h chooses to do is in him - OP regardless of your Epiphyseal plates being sealed your brain and HPTA(inside your brain) keeps developing past your 20's - no set and but endocrinologists say 25 gives you the best chance that your endocrine system will be fully developed!
Read the links provided, please!

And guys enough with the rec drug talk! Thx

Sorry about that one nach! It slipped and I forgot about that rule. Won't happen again

[np67]

I had to comment on this thread. First of all, why would anyone consider using steroids at 18? Second point why would someone say to think about it at 25? I would say do not think about gear until you are atleast 30.
People can still grow past 25. Thirdly, why would people want to use Dianabol? It is a very cheap shitty steroid, which will give you man breasts and a pot belly.
Best thing to do is to just improve your diet and train as hard as possible 5 days a week to just make sure you have a very solid base.

[thisAngelBites]

i think this is being taken out of context. i understand the gear can really damage you long term but really guys. hes coming to you for help and advice and you say "dont do it." "ok good but im going to do it anyway" so now what? "well since you dont listen to us that ur to young you can go screw yourself"?

TheTaxMan has the right idea. advise against it and if he still does it then help. thats all im saying

I'm not telling any kid how to cycle safely. Smart people know IS no way to cycle 100% safely, there are no guarantees, and there are always a percentage of people that will have to spend the rest of their lives taking meds and drawing bloods as a result (some people sort out their resulting TRT easily, and others never get it properly sorted). It happens to plenty of young people - you change the brain's developmental environment like that, the brain is going to react.

It doesn't happen to everyone, but it happens to enough people, and it's that dumb kid thing where they think that is just something that happens to other people. This board is full of grown men who made that mistake, and now are suffering because of it.

If I found any adult who told my kid how to cycle because he felt his mind was made up, I'd flatten his nuts myself. We are the grown ups. When kids try to make foolish decisions we try to show them sense. If, in spite of all these people who don't know and care about this kid taking the time to try to warn him, he chooses to completely block it all out and just act like a 2 year old who cannot be reasoned with, then at least we know we did the best we could. We can't stop evolution winnowing out people who make shit decisions, we can only try to give them the sense of those who went before them. Everyone needs to learn there are consequences to their behaviour - if you didn't learn it as a toddler, you might learn it at the end of a syringe.

http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...ease-help.html

http://forums.steroid.com/hormone-re...here-hope.html

[jborch]

Look guys i really appreciate everyone's concerns for my well being and all the posts in this forum. I am willing to listen to what EVERYONE has to say so if you could all calm down that would be great. I dont really think you can compare gear to suicide haha,
Im going to spend some time reading all the posts you've all sent me which I will do today. Is there anyone here that cycled around my age that could offer some advice?

Could anyone help out with the cycle?
Is there anything that can be done better/safer etc.. an answer that doesnt consist of dont do it would be great
If im gonna end up doing this I want to do it right
Thanks everyone.

[MrFreshmaker]

Look guys i really appreciate everyone's concerns for my well being and all the posts in this forum. I am willing to listen to what EVERYONE has to say so if you could all calm down that would be great. I dont really think you can compare gear to suicide haha, Im going to spend some time reading all the posts you've all sent me which I will do today. Is there anyone here that cycled around my age that could offer some advice? Could anyone help out with the cycle? Is there anything that can be done better/safer etc.. an answer that doesnt consist of dont do it would be great If im gonna end up doing this I want to do it right Thanks everyone.

Let me tell you smth my friend.Testosterone levels,will NEVER comeback to where they were before doing a cycle.Let's say your test level is 1000,even if you recover after the cycle,they will be under 800.So when you'll be in your 30's,your test level will be of an 70 yo.

[DexterMorgan]

Listen to those guys^. Way too young.

[bullshark99]

I did a cycle at 18, Cyp only 10 weeks. I'm on TRT the rest of my life now. Was it because of my stupidity, will never know the answer to that? My guess, probably not but never know. Regarding your 2 buddies that are 25 and are fine, that means nothing to you, shouldn't even if said it. If they are fine that is totally independent to what your outcome will be.
Anyway to your question I would definetly drop the Dbol. Really do not see any reason to complicate things by adding a second compound. Many, including myself feel Dbol is shit, done with mirrors, nothing but water that you will most certainly lose so why bother.
Don't have it handy, look it up but ausinite's first cycle thread is all a person needs to read for the answers you are looking for.
Sorry, in good faith I have to say it.....don't do it, you are far too young.

[hawk14dl]

How about a deal?

Read the stickies that were linked to you in this thread. Summarize the risks associated with cycling at a young age.

If you understand the risks and decide to proceed, I'm sure you'll get some sound cycle advice. With the best chances of recovery.

Deal?

[jborch]

Alright so I guess the majority of you say I should drop the dbol which ill do.
Ill be sure to read up on everything you guys have sent me before I even think about proceeding so yeah man i guess thats a deal haha.
You've all been a great help I really appreciate everything, ill keep you updated on whats happening.

thanks

[NACH3]

Sorry about that one nach! It slipped and I forgot about that rule. Won't happen again

I wasn't pointing a finger at anyone keep being active and paying forward like you have 73

[TheTaxMan]

OP you also have to remember your in great shape judging by that pic you sent, your arms are huge for an 18 year old so well done, just keep up with what your doing as its clearly working, if your gains come to a halt, get advice on your diet. Atleast give yourself a chance and wait until your in your twenties, 18 is a big gamble

Good luck, keep us updated

[Strongblood]

My cousin would kill me if he knew I was talking about him. But, he started cycling at 17. I think his first one was a test cyp only cycle. He got big quick! I bet he put on 15 lbs of lean muscle off that first cycle. The following summer he did a Tren ace test prop cycle for about 16 weeks I think. Gosh he was the biggest guy in high school! He did it right too. Always a good pct after cycle. He didn't have any problems all through college. I know he did at least 8 cycles before he was 25. He got married and had 2 boys by the time he was 28. Cycling didn't seem to bother him at all! I remember he was always stronger than me in every thing! I begged him to give me some. But, of course he never had enough to share! Lol!
He had a heart attack while fishing with his then 2 year old little boy. Killed him on the spot. By the time I got down to the pond where they were, his little boy had already got in the dam water. I had just taken a course in CPR at school. If I had of been there 5 minutes sooner I know I could of saved him. I tried.
Autopsy said my cousin was born with a heart defect that wouldn't have been a problem. But because he used steroids his heart couldn't take the added pressure and just stopped.

[Billegitimate]

Ive talked to a two guys that are now in there mid 20s that started at 18-19 they are just fine and they never used pct either

Im not gonna lie there is still a pretty decent chance im gonna end up going through with it.. If i do end up doing this cycle would there be anything youd recommend for harm reduction??

Read a great story once of a guy who jumped out of a burning airplane during WWII with no parachute. He was surprised to wake up alive, buried in snow at the bottom of a couple of trees. Turns out he hit the very tips of the branches, after a fresh snow, and began slowing down as the branches got larger, and ended up decelerating over a long enough distance before impacting the snow drift that he didn't even break a bone.

So, if you had talked to him before flying, would you jump out of an airplane with no parachute?

Dude, your experience of someone saying they are fine (when they don't really know anyway) is useless in comparison to the vast evidence that messing with your HPTA before at least 25 (if not 28) is pretty risky long term. If you're gonna be jacked until you're 50, then that's 25 years from 25 versus 32 years from 18. You really think you're going to look up at 50 and decide your life sucks because you could have had 7 more years of running steroids? Do you think you WON'T look up at 20 and say life sucks if you have no sex drive, can't get an erection, or have to contend with a lifetime of TRT from that young age?

Take your time, enjoy where you are, and where you can be naturally, and forget this stuff until you're older.

And finally, are you 100% responsible for yourself? If not, you have no business messing with things that could screw you up and create an imposition on someone else. I doubt that's the case, so just make a better decision.