Need help refining my first cycle (Test-e + Mast) (Mostly need help w/ PCT & dosages)

**Max8629** · 03-02-2016, 07:36 PM

Hey guys, going to start my first cycle soon, 10 weeks, test-e stacked with masteron .

First question, do you think 10 weeks is a good length for a first cycle? Should I go longer since I'm running test-e?

Currently my plan is:
250mg/wk test-e first 2 weeks
500mg/wk last 8 weeks
100mg masteron each week

hCG 500 iu/wk all 10 wks
Arimidex 0.25 mg EOD
Clomid 75/50/50/50 (mg daily for each week)
Nolvadex 40/20/20/20 (mg daily for each week)

PCT starts 2 weeks after cycle ends

Thanks, and any critiques are appreciated.

**Bio-Active** · 03-02-2016, 07:37 PM

Welcome to the forum take some time and read the sticky planning and executing my first successful cycle. All the info you need us in there

**Max8629** · 03-02-2016, 07:42 PM

Thanks for pointing me in the right direction, I will edit my original post with more information.

Edit: Post has been made clearer

**Bio-Active** · 03-02-2016, 07:50 PM

I don't like the test dose. I would run 500 mg test ew split into 2 doses 3.5 days apart and drop the mast. What are your stats?

**Max8629** · 03-02-2016, 07:54 PM

So you don't think its necessary to start 250mg/wk for the first two weeks?
Also, why drop the mast?

Stats, I am 5'8" 165 lbs, 10% bf

Edit: I also was planning on doing 2 doses per week already, forgot to mention. Wasn't planning on doing 500mg each inject

**Bio-Active** · 03-02-2016, 07:58 PM

Originally Posted by Max8629

So you don't think its necessary to start 250mg/wk for the first two weeks? Also, why drop the mast? Stats, I am 5'8" 165 lbs, 10% bf Edit: I also was planning on doing 2 doses per week already, forgot to mention. Wasn't planning on doing 500mg each inject

mast at 100 mg ew would be a waste and you don't need it for a first cycle. What your lifting experience? Your pretty light for your hight as well

**Max8629** · 03-02-2016, 08:00 PM

Originally Posted by Bio-Active

mast at 100 mg ew would be a waste and you don't need it for a first cycle. What your lifting experience? Your pretty light for your hight as well

Okay I'll probably drop the mast then. Lifting 4 yrs seriously w/ diet but add 2 more not so seriously (didn't really know what I was doing)

Yes I know I am light, when I started lifting I was under 110 lbs super skinny.

**Bio-Active** · 03-02-2016, 08:02 PM

Originally Posted by Max8629

Okay I'll probably drop the mast then. Lifting 4 yrs seriously w/ diet but add 2 more not so seriously (didn't really know what I was doing) Yes I know I am light, when I started lifting I was under 110 lbs super skinny.

what does your nutrition plan look like?

**Max8629** · 03-02-2016, 08:06 PM

Originally Posted by Bio-Active

what does your nutrition plan look like?

breakfast: 4 whole eggs + 4 egg whites
Lunch: 10-12 oz grilled chicken
Dinner: 10 oz grilled chicken/lean beef/fish (Alternate throughout week) and 8 oz yams or brown rice

4 tbps peanut butter over course of the day
2 scoops whey post workout
6-8 cups 2% milk throughout day

**Bio-Active** · 03-02-2016, 08:36 PM

Originally Posted by Max8629

breakfast: 4 whole eggs + 4 egg whites Lunch: 10-12 oz grilled chicken Dinner: 10 oz grilled chicken/lean beef/fish (Alternate throughout week) and 8 oz yams or brown rice 4 tbps peanut butter over course of the day 2 scoops whey post workout 6-8 cups 2% milk throughout day

your not going to gain on or off cycle with that food intake. You really should hit up the nutrition forum and get your diet sorted out. You still have room for massive gains before running gear

**Max8629** · 03-02-2016, 08:38 PM

Originally Posted by Bio-Active

your not going to gain on or off cycle with that food intake. You really should hit up the nutrition forum and get your diet sorted out. You still have room for massive gains before running gear

Don't mean to be rude but I've gained 20 lbs since I started this meal plan, as well as a ton of strength gains. Didn't come here for lifting or nutrition advice, I have both in s position that works for me. And I wasn't implying that my meal plan would remain the same on cycle, obviously I will up the calories a lot more

**Bio-Active** · 03-02-2016, 08:58 PM

Originally Posted by Max8629

Don't mean to be rude but I've gained 20 lbs since I started this meal plan, as well as a ton of strength gains. Didn't come here for lifting or nutrition advice, I have both in s position that works for me. And I wasn't implying that my meal plan would remain the same on cycle, obviously I will up the calories a lot more

well the way we do it here is try to make sure you have everything lined out correctly so you can make the most out of your cycle. If that's what you want to do then I already pointed you in the right direction with the sticky that you read

**Max8629** · 03-02-2016, 09:00 PM

Originally Posted by Bio-Active

well the way we do it here is try to make sure you have everything lined out correctly so you can make the most out of your cycle. If that's what you want to do then I already pointed you in the right direction with the sticky that you read

Yeah I appreciate the advice. But just out of curiousity how would you not consider that an ideal lean bulk for someone of my weight? Maybe I just have a low tdee but I gain about a half pound a week with little bf gain on this diet. And like I said I've been on it for a year and seen good gains

**Mr.BB** · 03-02-2016, 09:17 PM

Originally Posted by Max8629

Yeah I appreciate the advice. But just out of curiousity how would you not consider that an ideal lean bulk for someone of my weight? Maybe I just have a low tdee but I gain about a half pound a week with little bf gain on this diet. And like I said I've been on it for a year and seen good gains

Your meal plan is appropriate for a girl or somebody who is definitely under 150lbs.
If you want to be 200lbs you need to eat like a 200lbs person.
Nutrition is everything in our game, eat big to be big. Know your TDEE and fix your macros, or you will not gain much from steroids , wasting your health for nothing.

**Max8629** · 03-02-2016, 09:21 PM

Ight well I guess I am in the wrong here. Since this has turned into a nutrition thread rather than what I meant it to be mods feel free to lock or delete.

**Mr.BB** · 03-02-2016, 09:40 PM

Yes, you are wrong cause you are having a hard time understanding that its all connected. Nutrition-training-AAS, form a triangule in which if one of the bases fall the whole building collapses.
Whats the point of doing steroids , shuting down your HTPA, all the possible side effects, etc, if your nutrition is not good???

All the knowledgeable ppl here will tell you thats its not worth the risk, cause there are risks, you know this right?

**Back In Black** · 03-03-2016, 02:03 AM

Notwithstanding the great advice you have on the nutrition side your natural test levels should be the highest they will ever be. You are 10/20 years old so why risk your still developing HPTA and high test levels with a steroid cycle?

Take the nutrition advice, head to our diet section and I bet we can add plenty more natural muscle to that frame.