Men, Women, Juice, Jaws

**newhype** · 03-16-2016, 08:35 AM

Anyone notice when some get on the juice they get more of a square, masculine jaw, but the same does seem to happen to guys.

Anyone know why this happens?

**Baxter35** · 03-16-2016, 08:51 AM

I'm not specifically sure about the jaw, but in general, men already naturally produce test and therefore have already undergone the masculinization effects from the hormone during development. Women don't have these levels naturally and so when they start taking male hormones it can lead to the development of typically male characteristics.

**Mr.BB** · 03-16-2016, 08:52 AM

Neck muscles and jaw muscles also grow.

**NACH3** · 03-16-2016, 08:56 AM

^^ yes they do! Since I've started My jaw has grown(or is definitely shaped differently) as well as its very masculinized(squared off) I used to bloat whenever I would hit 190ish +... Now my face/jaw are much more squared off(and face is still thin at 210) whereas b4 it woulda looked like I was chomping on a 'salt lick' lol

**TheTaxMan** · 03-16-2016, 09:02 AM

Nach when hes on a blast

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**NACH3** · 03-16-2016, 09:31 AM

Originally Posted by TheTaxMan

Nach when hes on a blast

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**Bonaparte** · 03-17-2016, 12:33 PM

Androgens promote the development of male secondary sex characteristics.

Assuming you meant "does NOT happen to guys": it does. But it usually isn't very noticeable because men have already been exposed to plenty of testosterone through puberty, so their secondary sex characteristics are already developed.

**InternalFire** · 03-17-2016, 01:19 PM

about the jaw growth, there's some talks going on web that when people mega-dose K2 Mk-4 vitamin at 5mg (yes milligrams) and more every day for prolonged time (6 months and longer), their facial characteristics change over time, signs like widening of the jaw and nose skeletal structure, face in general, and some of them even report to grow extra few cm in height, despite being in there mid-age and just supplementing K2 for general health reasons.

Its not scientifically documented but there are many people giving such feedback which makes you wonder.

Testosterone is also known to increase bone mineral density and knowing that K2 vitamin is highly responsible in directing calcium distribution in the body and for increasing bones mineral density, especially where user previously would have had low testosterone symptoms in his early age and throughout the years, K2 seems to take action of a similar pathway Testosterone does with bones growth, after all I think it makes sense.

For ones interested, there's plenty of info scientific and user based info on bones mineral density and bone strength in general improvements over supplementation from Vitamin D3 + K2. Plenty of google info there for ones interested.

**kallmenelly** · 03-17-2016, 04:39 PM

If you lift heavy weight you jaw clench. That makes your jaw muscle grow.

**TheTaxMan** · 03-17-2016, 05:12 PM

Originally Posted by kallmenelly

If you lift heavy weight you jaw clench. That makes your jaw muscle grow.

they aint talking about jaw muscles/jaw gains brother
more the bone infrastucture appearing more manly.

i noticed 8 years ago when i did my first cycle, my baby face turned into a mans face (particularly the jaw area) - but not the muscles, the jaw/bone characteristics

**MrFreshmaker** · 03-17-2016, 05:24 PM

Originally Posted by kallmenelly

If you lift heavy weight you jaw clench. That makes your jaw muscle grow.

Any scientific evidence about this?!! Or it is bro science?!

**NACH3** · 03-17-2016, 05:48 PM

Originally Posted by MrFreshmaker

Any scientific evidence about this?!! Or it is bro science?!

Bro science lol - I clench my teeth with no weight in my hands(& crack teeth/crowns etc)! I've cracked 3 wisdom teeth, crowns etc(now I need the cubic zarconian crowns b/c I break everything) Id suggest a mouthpiece!

**Bonaparte** · 03-17-2016, 05:56 PM

Originally Posted by MrFreshmaker

Any scientific evidence about this?!! Or it is bro science?!

He definitely just made that up. Where jaw muscle is concerned, chewing is going to do a lot more for growth than clenching during lifts. And most people naturally open their mouth when lifting, to breath and grunt.

But that's not even what this thread is about, since we're talking about bone growth.

**ScotchGuard02** · 03-21-2016, 11:41 AM

Women have 1/7 the natural Test as men and a lot more estrogen. Their bodies develop accordingly (like Bonaparte said). I saw a documentary of the East German women swimmer in the 70's. Whoa, the physical change was obvious. Changes in the jaw line and the brow line were especially pronounced. The female BB's today gain more masculine facial features as they get bigger and bigger.