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    Post Cut cycle with TREN susta and win

    Hello to all . I wanted to start my 5th cycle ..For cut....I bought TREN susta and win .the scheme would be this.

    1-12 susta 250/500
    1-6 TREN ac. 75 EOD
    6-12 win 50 EOD
    5-15 proviron 25/50 mg ED
    15-17 clomid 100 mg ED
    And hcg in the last weeks (8-12)

    in previous cycles I used susta, deca , win, Dbol and is the first experience with tren

    I've 24. I train for 6 years. I am currently at 3400 kcal (465cho, 55 fat, 250 pro)In bulk 4500 , 4 months ago with susta deca and dbol.. with these calories I managed to get to 10% BF but I thought to get up in the cycle now in favor of proteins maybe. I'm 5'9" X 187 lbs.. how does it look?

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    Have you had post or pre cycle bw?

    Why no mention of an AI, DA or nolva?

    How were you able to lose 3 inches in height in 4 months?

    Quote Originally Posted by Simeon333 View Post
    Hi
    I am going to finish my cycle sustanon and deca P for 10 weeks
    Susta 500 week
    Deca P 100 every 2/3 days
    Proviron 50 mg 1/12
    Clomid 100-50-50.... 15/17
    I stay at 4200 calories... 252 pro ... 650 cho... 60 fat
    6'0" and 194 lbs... 12% BF ... Age: 24

    how does it look? regarding training in that week I should lower intensity and volume to go to catabolism ?

    from week 16/17 thought to put creatine , arginine , ribose and phosphatidylserine + monores or ephedrine to stay longer " active." It is useless with calories so high ?
    Last edited by numbere; 05-12-2016 at 01:30 PM.

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    I'm running the same cycle except in higher doses and no proviron , and just added EQ. I get great gains with tren at around 400/wk but this is my first time for winny so I'm excited

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    excuse I use centimeters as the unit .. use the converter from what I write it ..nolva Is coming

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    Quote Originally Posted by WMSuperSport View Post
    I'm running the same cycle except in higher doses and no proviron, and just added EQ. I get great gains with tren at around 400/wk but this is my first time for winny so I'm excited
    You say you have to get up a little tren ? There may be taking pre wo type SP250?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Simeon333 View Post
    excuse I use centimeters as the unit .. use the converter from what I write it ..nolva Is coming
    Okay I understand, sometimes numbers lose accuracy after a conversion.

    My main concern is that you just finished a deca cycle and haven't mentioned anything about blood work to see if your HPTA has been reset.

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    Quote Originally Posted by numbere View Post
    Okay I understand, sometimes numbers lose accuracy after a conversion.

    My main concern is that you just finished a deca cycle and haven't mentioned anything about blood work to see if your HPTA has been reset.
    the last injection of Deca and susta has been four months ago. then I did the exams free test and tied but not fsh and lh

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    Quote Originally Posted by Simeon333 View Post
    the last injection of Deca and susta has been four months ago. then I did the exams free test and tied but not fsh and lh
    It can take some people close to a year to recover from a deca cycle.

    I admit your deca dose wasn't that high, but you are still doing yourself a great disservice by cycling again without knowing your state of recovery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by numbere View Post
    It can take some people close to a year to recover from a deca cycle.

    I admit your deca dose wasn't that high, but you are still doing yourself a great disservice by cycling again without knowing your state of recovery.
    Especially as the PCT following that cycle of clomid only and only for 3 weeks was likely woefully inadequate.

    Simeon, do yourself a favour and get some full blood work to include LH and FSH.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Simeon333 View Post
    Hello to all . I wanted to start my 5th cycle ..For cut....I bought TREN susta and win .the scheme would be this.

    1-12 susta 250/500
    1-6 TREN ac. 75 EOD
    6-12 win 50 EOD
    5-15 proviron 25/50 mg ED
    15-17 clomid 100 mg ED
    And hcg in the last weeks (8-12)

    in previous cycles I used susta, deca , win, Dbol and is the first experience with tren

    I've 24. I train for 6 years. I am currently at 3400 kcal (465cho, 55 fat, 250 pro)In bulk 4500 , 4 months ago with susta deca and dbol.. with these calories I managed to get to 10% BF but I thought to get up in the cycle now in favor of proteins maybe. I'm 5'9" X 187 lbs.. how does it look?
    Okay mate to be brutally honest I'd think you're ready for tren because there's lots wrong with this cycle for it being your 5th.

    I read your post history and everything that's wrong with this cycle has been pointed out to you in previous cycles but never fixed.

    I'm not sure what your goals are but 5'9" 187lb 10% starting a 5th cycle is a red flag.

    Those stats can be obtained naturally.

    Hcg should be used from day one up to 2-3 days before PCT.

    You need to use and AI, either dex or stane, from day one right up to PCT

    It would be a good idea to have a DA on had and if you're not going to bother having bw then you should probably take it the whole time using a 19 nor.

    Your PCT should be at least 4 weeks long and the dosages should resemble those below.

    It's difficult for me to understand how this is your 5th cycle and you still don't know how to PCT properly.

    Clomid 75/50/50/50
    Nolva 40/20/20/20/20/20
    Last edited by numbere; 05-13-2016 at 12:15 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by numbere View Post
    Okay mate to be brutally honest I'd think you're ready for tren because there's lots wrong with this cycle for it being your 5th.

    I read your post history and everything that's wrong with this cycle has been pointed out to you in previous cycles but never fixed.

    I'm not sure what your goals are but 5'9" 187lb 10% starting a 5th cycle is a red flag.

    Those stats can be obtained naturally.

    Hcg should be used from day one up to 2-3 days before PCT.

    You need to use and AI, either dex or stane, from day one right up to PCT

    It would be a good idea to have a DA on had and if you're not going to bother having bw then you should probably take it the whole time using a 19 nor.

    Your PCT should be at least 4 weeks long and the dosages should resemble those below.

    It's difficult for me to understand how this is your 5th cycle and you still don't know how to PCT properly.

    Clomid 75/50/50/50
    Nolva 40/20/20/20/20/20
    ok add nolva .. I always used clomid pct no more than 3 weeks and proviron forever! there are people here from me that does not use either the clomid

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    Out of all that all you took away was add nolva.

    Why no mention of blood work, AI, Da, hcg or your stats?

    Quote Originally Posted by Simeon333 View Post
    ok add nolva .. I always used clomid pct no more than 3 weeks and proviron forever! there are people here from me that does not use either the clomid
    You're right there are members here who don't use both SERMs for PCT...

    That's because they're on trt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by numbere View Post
    Out of all that all you took away was add nolva.

    Why no mention of blood work, AI, Da, hcg or your stats?



    You're right there are members here who don't use both SERMs for PCT...

    That's because they're on trt.

    I in fact doing several searches here I entered ... with your help
    instead for calories and macro as it seems? I have perhaps lower carbo and raise a little 'fat?
    Last edited by Simeon333; 05-14-2016 at 07:46 AM.

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    That damn Tren

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