Drug addicts advising drug addicts sust 250 vs test E

**Loogy** · 10-06-2016, 11:34 AM

So first cycle I did right after I withdrew from narcotics and it was sust 250 2x a week and I went from 168 to 211 keeping the 6 pack at 6'3 height. I'm currently on an E 500mgs a week cycle I started 11 days ago and so far nothings hit me. I know the half life is 10.5 days so I should have something going on in my body rn whether its the faster recuperation or even a minor strength gain and I'm wondering if test E is worse than sust. I am at 200.8lbs natty, no 6 pack anymore but visible abs and I get the feeling I'm not gonna get the gains I did like on that first cycle. Also, how much HCG should I take for PCT and when should I begin taking it to keep some gains cause once I stopped taking my magic beans for the first one I lost like 20 lbs of muscle and went down to 190. And please no wise wizards saying on cycle telling me not to cycle and just eat my veggies and wheaties.

**chab** · 10-06-2016, 01:28 PM

For me I did not feel anything before mid of week 4 except for libido increase at week 2 and started noticing real gains after week 7.
HCG for PCT is old school and not used anymore. U will be better doing 250 units twice a week (total 500 units a week) from day 1 till 3 days before PCT.

**73rr** · 10-06-2016, 01:30 PM

Can u lay out your full cycle for us plz?

And stats?

**ScotchGuard02** · 10-06-2016, 02:28 PM

Originally Posted by Loogy

So first cycle I did right after I withdrew from narcotics and it was sust 250 2x a week and I went from 168 to 211 keeping the 6 pack at 6'3 height. I'm currently on an E 500mgs a week cycle I started 11 days ago and so far nothings hit me. I know the half life is 10.5 days so I should have something going on in my body rn whether its the faster recuperation or even a minor strength gain and I'm wondering if test E is worse than sust. I am at 200.8lbs natty, no 6 pack anymore but visible abs and I get the feeling I'm not gonna get the gains I did like on that first cycle. Also, how much HCG should I take for PCT and when should I begin taking it to keep some gains cause once I stopped taking my magic beans for the first one I lost like 20 lbs of muscle and went down to 190. And please no wise wizards saying on cycle telling me not to cycle and just eat my veggies and wheaties.

Test E and Sus250 is exactly the same Test. The only thing different are the esters. Test E half life is about 14 days so you're not going to really see anything for a few weeks. Be patient, you'll grow.

**Loogy** · 10-06-2016, 02:38 PM

What should I use instead of HCG for PCT? Also when do I start my PCT, at the very end of the test leaving me or a little before it?

First cycle I did sust 250 twice a week. I was 6'3 168 with low body fat, visible 6 pack but I was coming off narcotics so I was a mess and then by the end of the third/fourth month after the first shot of sust I was 211 still had the 6 pack. When the magic ended I went down to 188-190, lost like 20 lbs of muscle. I'm starting this 2nd cycle at 200.8 with a little more body fat, 4 pack with body fat covering bottom 2 abs.

I don't start my new job for a few weeks so right now I just eat, workout and then go to bed and wait for the next day to workout again cause I want the days to go so it hits me but the 2 low half life sust esters hit me fast and I figured once this E half life breaks down I would get hit with the 250 all at once.

**The Deadlifting Dog** · 10-06-2016, 02:39 PM

Originally Posted by ScotchGuard02

Test E and Sus250 is exactly the same Test. The only thing different are the esters. Test E half life is about 14 days so you're not going to really see anything for a few weeks. Be patient, you'll grow.

Test E's half life is more like 7 days.

**The Deadlifting Dog** · 10-06-2016, 02:45 PM

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2333732

shows a half-life of 5 days

**InternalFire** · 10-06-2016, 02:49 PM

half life of ester is one thing, biology of the individual body is another. One body can cause ester to be released sooner/later, so to be exact - its all just estimation.

If for example you pin your glutes, quads or delts and train the injected area with more volume the same/next day and more frequently - you should/would see test acting quicker than estimated.

**donopat** · 10-06-2016, 02:55 PM

You could run HCG 250iu twice a week or 500iu every 5th day for the cycle... Than you take HCG until for about 10 days or so past your last test shot than 4 days later start clomid and Nolva.

Haven't done pct in years tho....

Or.... Test ester clears in about 14 days......so I'd start HCG 14 days before the test will clear your system...I think it's 500iu a day for 10 days.....than wait 4 days for HCG to clear than start clomid.

You shouldn't start clomid until HCG and test ester clears your system....

This is off the top of my head...like I said it's been years so there very well may be new pct protocols by now....I know what I just said will work.. it's all here in the pct forum. There's a bunch of different protocols... I got this one from here. I forget which one it is.......

**kelkel** · 10-06-2016, 02:56 PM

Read this:

My First Cycle: Planning and Executing a Successful First Cycle

Even though it's not your first cycle it will provide you correct information on HCG and PCT and AI's.

**Loogy** · 10-06-2016, 03:13 PM

ah I didn't know that about injection sites, thank you insanemuscle.

donopat - I'd probably do the 2 shots a week but I was reading on this website that you're supposed to do HCG for 4 weeks? If I get more information about clomid and nolva I guess I'm gonna have to take those. I was just planning on taking the HCG but I really don't wanna lose gains like I did the first cycle.

kelkel - I tried reading that article but the guy (who is probably on juice himself and started somewhere) immediately goes into wise wizard mode implying "you don't know anything. you're in the wrong place." So I just couldn't read it. Figured I get other people to tell me what they do.

**Vash the Stampede** · 10-06-2016, 03:38 PM

I'm.not enjoying the negative association with drug addicts and steroid use . I realize steroid use comes with stereotypes and misconceptions, but I like to think that there are some fine upstanding and clean living steroid users who have never used narcotics.

I would be one of them. And I would rather be referred to as a "steroids monkey" than a "drug addict" hahaha

**Mr.BB** · 10-06-2016, 03:41 PM

Originally Posted by Vash the Stampede

I'm.not enjoying the negative association with drug addicts and steroid use . I realize steroid use comes with stereotypes and misconceptions, but I like to think that there are some fine upstanding and clean living steroid users who have never used narcotics.

I would be one of them. And I would rather be referred to as a "steroids monkey" than a "drug addict" hahaha

x2

The title is really awful

**hammerheart** · 10-06-2016, 03:42 PM

Originally Posted by Vash the Stampede

I'm.not enjoying the negative association with drug addicts and steroid use . I realize steroid use comes with stereotypes and misconceptions, but I like to think that there are some fine upstanding and clean living steroid users who have never used narcotics.

I would be one of them. And I would rather be referred to as a "steroids monkey" than a "drug addict" hahaha

I fancy "drug enthusiast" more.

**Loogy** · 10-06-2016, 04:10 PM

I made the title cause when I read most posts it's people on steroids telling others they don't need them and it reminded me of heroin addicts talking about how they don't need the drug but they do it out of habit. And I also knew the title "Drug addicts" would get attention and get people to click it.

**Loogy** · 10-06-2016, 04:12 PM

I got my test E questions done but I can't find out exactly how much PCT I need. I'm gonna do 250 ius HCG 2x a week for 10 days and use clomid and nolva but I don't know how much clomid and nolva and for how long.

**Mr.BB** · 10-06-2016, 04:51 PM

Originally Posted by Loogy

I made the title cause when I read most posts it's people on steroids telling others they don't need them and it reminded me of heroin addicts talking about how they don't need the drug but they do it out of habit. And I also knew the title "Drug addicts" would get attention and get people to click it.

Yeah, you're right, telling guys who have no idea that steroids can mess up your hormones for your entire life always reminds me of sniffing cocaine.

Who knows why?!?!?

**Loogy** · 10-06-2016, 05:01 PM

It'd be like a guy on cocaine telling others they don't need cocaine to get that high. The drug addict reference has to do with how people who have been doing them for years/decades believe that the drug isn't doing a lot but when people get off em they shrink tremendously. The person who is on a drug for a long period of time doesn't know how strong it actually is.

**Mr.BB** · 10-06-2016, 05:21 PM

Your logic makes no sense.

Guess im the one to blame, trying to understand a drug addict... pffff

**Loogy** · 10-06-2016, 05:25 PM

The title was meant to get viewers. Don't take such great offense. Trust me I know the difference between a steroid user and a heroin user. Steroids are compatible and can be beneficial to life. Narcotics are incompatible with life.

**Marsoc** · 10-06-2016, 07:18 PM

Originally Posted by Vash the Stampede

I'm.not enjoying the negative association with drug addicts and steroid use . I realize steroid use comes with stereotypes and misconceptions, but I like to think that there are some fine upstanding and clean living steroid users who have never used narcotics.

I would be one of them. And I would rather be referred to as a "steroids monkey" than a "drug addict" hahaha

right..im not sure how being a recovering addict applies to anything other then if it was your question as to if that is possibly the reason your not feeling anything (ok I just seen that u used the title to get views...I see what you mean by relating it to how a drug user says they don't need the drug but uses it anyways ) but still has nothing to do with it at all..I mean...am I missing something lol.
besides that I imagine that u will see results in some time ,im sure its not a magical compound that will give u instant results...im seeing decent results and im all natural never touched a steroid or testosterone in my life,,check out my EARTH GYM thread lol..just using what I have and still seeing my gains bounce back after a few weeks...
If your not seeing any gains,,maybe give it time because its a long term goal thing when training..not instant gratification...so maybe re evaluate you training routine and the intensity in which you do it at..maybe up the intensity or change things up a bit..Check out EARTH GYM to gain supreme knowledge when in a pinch lol...

**Red Bastard** · 10-06-2016, 08:23 PM

Originally Posted by Loogy

kelkel - I tried reading that article but the guy (who is probably on juice himself and started somewhere) immediately goes into wise wizard mode implying "you don't know anything. you're in the wrong place." So I just couldn't read it. Figured I get other people to tell me what they do.

FFS!!

Just swallow your attitude, and read the phucking article!!
The information is there, and it's good....

**DocToxin8** · 10-07-2016, 04:14 AM

Little misleading thread title;
I went here to look if a drug addict needed advice on how to use AAS to recover from a drug addiction. Instead I read what looks like a 12 steppers outlook on AAS users. I don't care or get upset, but it might not be the best way to get some real advice.