Midcycle BW on only Test E 600@week High E2 Please Help me for AI dosage

**Faacus** · 10-11-2016, 07:21 AM

I'm now in week 8 of 14 weeks only Test E Cycle. Test E 300 2xwek (tot 600mg at week) AI Arimidex 0.25 EOD ang HCG 250ui 2x week.

Bloodwork results:
Total Testosterone : 3980 (39.80ng/ml) (man 2.5-11)
e2 (17betaestradiol): 141 pg/ml (man 0-62)

my ugl test E seems legit.
ARIMIDEX is pharmaceutical grade.
What dosage recommended to go to?
From 0.25 EOD to 0.5 EOD is enough?
Thank you

**Vash the Stampede** · 10-11-2016, 07:42 AM

Alrighty its time for me to add in my 2 cents here. Although everyone might not agree with me, I willing to debate the topic open-mindedly.

0.25mg of arimidex is way too low for a 500mg Test per week cycle. I've seen this recommendation over and over again in stickies and from other vets on this site.

I've tried running that low dosage at 300mg Test per week and still had high E2. Having worked with many athletes and bodybuilders over the last ten years, I've seen arimidex dosing at 1-4mg daily. Now before you all jump in saying you will crash your E2 with such a high dosage, I've worked with many people who are comfortable at that dosage during high Test cycles.

Arimidex was originally created for breast cancer patients to prevent the formation of estrogen that feeds cancerous cells. The recommended dosage for this is 1mg daily. Now considering the amount of Test and aromatizing that occurs during our type of cycle, obviously the need for a sufficient amount of arimidex is crucial.

The absolute minimum I take is 0.5-1mg of arimidex daily. Of course I only use pharmaceutical grade AI. I honestly believe anything less than that is not sufficient for a 500mg Test per week cycle. It might only be enough for TRT Test dosage.

**numbere** · 10-11-2016, 08:08 AM

Originally Posted by Vash the Stampede

Arimidex was originally created for breast cancer patients to prevent the formation of estrogen that feeds cancerous cells. The recommended dosage for this is 1mg daily. Now considering the amount of Test and aromatizing that occurs during out type of cycle, obviously the need for a sufficient amount of arimidex is crucial.

By all means your welcome to express beliefs here even if they are against the status quo.

However the example above is very poor.

Dex was created to treat women's breast cancer and the AI effects men differently than women.

...

OP Imo you should increase your dosage to 0.5mg EOD and retest your E2 in a few weeks by getting a estradiol sensitive assay LC/MS.

**gymffiti** · 10-11-2016, 08:18 AM

This might be a newb question ...

Would the amount of AI needed, in this scenario, be dependent on bodyfat percentage?

**Mr.BB** · 10-11-2016, 08:27 AM

Aromatization is very individual dependent, some ppl are fine with 0,25mg anastrazol eod.

Some need more, some need less.

IMO is worse to have high e2 than very low.

**numbere** · 10-11-2016, 08:37 AM

Originally Posted by gymffiti

This might be a newb question ...

Would the amount of AI needed, in this scenario, be dependent on bodyfat percentage?

High bf is not likely the cause of elevated E2 in this situation because if memory serves me correct OP is around 12% bf.

**Faacus** · 10-11-2016, 10:08 AM

yes bro I'm 5'9 205 lbs around 11-12% bf.
I'm a bit bloated with water now and I hope I can see more hard and venous with adex dose increase

**Couchlock** · 10-11-2016, 11:29 AM

I also notice I feel better on .25mg to
.5mg every day

.25mg eod just don't cut it for me

**numbere** · 10-11-2016, 11:54 AM

Originally Posted by Couchlockd

I also notice I feel better on .25mg to
.5mg every day

.25mg eod just don't cut it for me

Changing your AI dose during your first cycle without bw is not a good idea.

**Strongblood** · 10-11-2016, 01:03 PM

Originally Posted by Faacus

I'm now in week 8 of 14 weeks only Test E Cycle. Test E 300 2xwek (tot 600mg at week) AI Arimidex 0.25 EOD ang HCG 250ui 2x week. Bloodwork results: Total Testosterone: 3980 (39.80ng/ml) (man 2.5-11) e2 (17betaestradiol): 141 pg/ml (man 0-62) my ugl test E seems legit. ARIMIDEX is pharmaceutical grade. What dosage recommended to go to? From 0.25 EOD to 0.5 EOD is enough? Thank you

I'm gonna say your Test E is no doubt legit! And yes, I would raise your AI to 0.50 EOD.

**Vash the Stampede** · 10-11-2016, 01:29 PM

Originally Posted by numbere

By all means your welcome to express beliefs here even if they are against the status quo.

However the example above is very poor.

Dex was created to treat women's breast cancer and the AI effects men differently than women.

...

OP Imo you should increase your dosage to 0.5mg EOD and retest your E2 in a few weeks by getting a estradiol sensitive assay LC/MS.

Appreciate your input here Numbere. I respect your opinion as one of the vets on this board.

Please can you elaborate on your statement above. As far as I know, arimidex binds to the aromatase enzyme and prevents it from converting testosterone into estrogen.

How is this process different in men as compared to women?

**Mr.BB** · 10-11-2016, 01:41 PM

Originally Posted by Couchlockd

I also notice I feel better on .25mg to
.5mg every day

.25mg eod just don't cut it for me

Sorry, but you need to back your statement with bloodwork. Otherwise you have no idea where you are.

**Mr.BB** · 10-11-2016, 01:42 PM

Originally Posted by Vash the Stampede

Appreciate your input here Numbere. I respect your opinion as one of the vets on this board.

Please can you elaborate on your statement above. As far as I know, arimidex binds to the aromatase enzyme and prevents it from converting testosterone into estrogen.

How is this process different in men as compared to women?

The only difference is the amount aromatase enzyme women have, which is a LOT more.

On breast cancer the 1mg dosage on women is to eliminate completely any e2, and works really good for that objective.

**kelkel** · 10-11-2016, 01:54 PM

Originally Posted by Vash the Stampede

The absolute minimum I take is 0.5-1mg of arimidex daily. Of course I only use pharmaceutical grade AI. I honestly believe anything less than that is not sufficient for a 500mg Test per week cycle. It might only be enough for TRT Test dosage.

The .25 eod mantra is a generalization but normally it's sufficient for most people.
If you need .5 to 1mg daily on a 500 mg cycle it is unique to you. We all can aromatize at differing rates and some may need more, some less. You must simply be at an accelerated rate. I assume this is backed up by BW and not simply how you feel.
Not many people on a TRT protocol maintaining physiological levels tend to need .25 eod. If so their protocol and dose timing should be reexamined.

**Vash the Stampede** · 10-11-2016, 01:55 PM

Originally Posted by Mr.BB

The only difference is the amount aromatase enzyme women have, which is a LOT more.

On breast cancer the 1mg dosage on women is to eliminate completely any e2, and works really good for that objective.

Ah yes I see. That would definitely make a significant difference! Thanks BB. I learned something new today.

**Vash the Stampede** · 10-11-2016, 02:15 PM

Originally Posted by kelkel

The .25 eod mantra is a generalization but normally it's sufficient for most people.
If you need .5 to 1mg daily on a 500 mg cycle it is unique to you. We all can aromatize at differing rates and some may need more, some less. You must simply be at an accelerated rate. I assume this is backed up by BW and not simply how you feel.
Not many people on a TRT protocol maintaining physiological levels tend to need .25 eod. If so their protocol and dose timing should be reexamined.

Totally agree with everything you have said. I'm a big proponent of doing regular blood work. I do blood work pre-cycle, mid-cycle and post PCT. Ends up being the most expensive part of the cycle lol!

My body must convert Test to E2 on a much higher scale than normal, as my blood work shows elevated E2 on 0.25mg daily while on cycle. Minimum I need is 0.5mg daily to keep my E2 in range on a 500mg Test per week cycle.

**kelkel** · 10-11-2016, 03:45 PM

Originally Posted by Vash the Stampede

Totally agree with everything you have said. I'm a big proponent of doing regular blood work. I do blood work pre-cycle, mid-cycle and post PCT. Ends up being the most expensive part of the cycle lol!

My body must convert Test to E2 on a much higher scale than normal, as my blood work shows elevated E2 on 0.25mg daily while on cycle. Minimum I need is 0.5mg daily to keep my E2 in range on a 500mg Test per week cycle.

Nice work outta you then. Just imagine the amount of guys who don't do BW yet think they have things in hand.....

**Faacus** · 10-11-2016, 04:32 PM

Thanks for the info.
I swiched from 0.25 EOD to 0.5 EOD adex and in two weeks I'll do bloodwork.
I have a doubt; the 17betaestradiol value is the correct value for E2?
I asked E2 sensitive and they told me it is the same.

**Mr.BB** · 10-11-2016, 04:51 PM

Originally Posted by Faacus

Thanks for the info.
I swiched from 0.25 EOD to 0.5 EOD adex and in two weeks I'll do bloodwork.
I have a doubt; the 17betaestradiol value is the correct value for E2?
I asked E2 sensitive and they told me it is the same.

If you are in europe you cannot find (as far as my knowledge goes) sensitive E2 test.