What Do I Do??

[Jnumber1]

So excuse me if my form is off or i say anything that makes you think, wth? just bear with me and let me tell my story, hopefully i can get some help. heres the deal im 30 yrs old, w/m was 145 lbs. I was introduced to steroids test. enan. 10ml/300mg vials. Ive been doing 1ml monday and 1ml friday i try to keep days the same and time the same. I inject in my butt, never having issues except soreness. But i started, waited a week, then i joined a gym and started drinking protein shakes and making fruit shakes with protein etc etc. well i blew up to 170 in about a month....not like im like im a beefcake im just stocky, healthier looking, sex with my wife is crazy better. The point is I look healthy, and I feel good. I was a pain killer addict and that has been linked to men loosing test because of the side effects of the drugs. Maybe im getting a little dose of what i missed out on when i was getting high. I like where im at id like to gain another 15 with more work on pecks arms and abs. Should i increase? Is it safe to do more then 1ml at a time? Do i sound dumb ( its ok, i can take it ) . For me its like the movie where the guy takes the special pill that makes him think clearer, have more energy, better in bed ( im assuming youve seen the movie limitless ) anyways heres my questions. one i already asked
1.) should i increase dosage
2.) when is a post cycle or the breaking time where i stop let my body get to normal again and then i can do another cycle after some time and what do i need for this? ive heard anti estrogen pills. Give me short sweet answers if possible or links.
3.) does it sound like im doing things correctly or should i be doin anything else to make this safer or better in anyway.
4.) do i sound stupid and have i gotten myself into something i shouldnt have?
5.) someone just explain how they started and how they can relate?

Ive only done one cycle coming to the end of 10ml/300
gold standard test

anyone tried helix enan?


Just give it to me str8 guys!!
;-)

[rt4man]

It sounds like you started a cycle before you knew everything to it..do you know what you need for PCT? I dont think so since you are not even taking an AI. And if you blew up that fast it was probably because your body was nowhere near your natural potential before taking a steroid . I would not increase, leave it at 600 a week and do a PCT. Here is everything you need to know. http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...rst-cycle.html You should also be taking HCG throughout your cycle.

[Capebuffalo]

http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...rst-cycle.html

[Couchlock]

Yikes.

Get ready for some lecturing,

Ill start.

So you kicked opiates, and straight went to steroids .

That's your first mistake.

Second will be in a few weeks when you start getting gyno,

Third is your addict brain thinking more is better. Its not. The more you take than you actually need, is just going to feed negative sides.

How long have you been in recovery?

I really hope you been clean for a few years, because once you decide to cycle off and do pct, you may have some really bad mental sides.

Be safe, if your not too many weeks in, stop.

If your in the cycle deeper than 4 weeks, then congrats, your doing things backwards, you should have asked these questions before the needle broke your skin.

[Jonbana]

sounds like your taking steroids with no knowledge hoping its a quick fix , this doesn't seem planned at all and I hope you realize this will ruin the rest of your life very shortly

[songdog]

I agree with the above and use caution in the gym beacuse your muscles are stronger now but your tendons and legaments will lag behind.This is why we tell guys get some time in the gym and build a foundation 1st.

[Jnumber1]

sounds like i will just stop like i said i havnt even finished a full cycle.....lets not scare the hell outta me, how bout some advice not u screwed the pooch not what i was looking for.....

[Jnumber1]

[Couchlock]

sounds like i will just stop like i said i havnt even finished a full cycle.....lets not scare the hell outta me, how bout some advice not u screwed the pooch not what i was looking for.....

How long have you been using steroids .?

How many injections so far?

If its more than a few you will need clomiphene citrate and Nolvadex to start your hpta quickly, other wise it may take up to a year or so, if it even comes back.

No use in tapering, or anything like that.

It would benefit you to get some anastrozole to block estrogen while you let your body wash the exogenous test out of your body, if not, you leave yourself open to pretty negative estrogen related sides

[Capebuffalo]

sounds like i will just stop like i said i havnt even finished a full cycle.....lets not scare the hell outta me, how bout some advice not u screwed the pooch not what i was looking for.....

Stop and start pct.

[Jnumber1]

month? 2 per week 8 total

I should prob talk to my dr and have him get me straightened out....i guess thanks to those that didnt judge

[Couchlock]

month? 2 per week 8 total

I should prob talk to my dr and have him get me straightened out....i guess thanks to those that didnt judge

Dr. Is going to take forever to get you straight. They like twisting it in and breaking it off when it comes to juice.

He's probably going to recommend "cold turkey"

You need to source Clomid and Nolva as well as anastrozole

Best place in your case would be not to use an online ugl supplier and go through the waiting.

Go to a place called peptide warehouse and order at least 700 mg of liquid nolva,
1525mg of liquid Clomid.

And a bottle of liquid adex or L-dex

We don't sugar coat stuff, because we are all adults and this stuff is serious business.

Just think if we'd have bro'd you and said "just finish it up bro, you'll be cool".

If I have cancer, come right out and tell me , don't beat around the bush and bs me untill its too late. Ya can dig that, correct?

[Jnumber1]

the only reason i say dr is because alot of the substances your speaking on are illegal? ive never heard of peptide warehouse.......man im scewed, dont know why i messed with this sh## in the first place. ya i can dig it.....

[Couchlock]

the only reason i say dr is because alot of the substances your speaking on are illegal? ive never heard of peptide warehouse.......man im scewed, dont know why i messed with this sh## in the first place. ya i can dig it.....

The Nolva and Clomid and adex are not scheduled, they are script only, but so are a lot of things we played with.

Google where i told you to order from. Shoukd get it in a few days

[Couchlock]

The Nolva and Clomid and adex are not scheduled, they are script only, but so are a lot of things we played with.

Google where i told you to order from. Shoukd get it in a few days

Check your pm box

I got you tightened up

[kelkel]

Read the link that you were provided. Either fill in the blanks and immediately add the ancillaries that you are not taking or skip to the end of the link and initiate pct, but again you'll need to order ancillaries to help restart your HPTA.

When you inject testosterone it's not adding to what your body already makes. It's shutting down your endogenous production and you're then working off only what you inject.

[rt4man]

If you have been injecting for over four weeks your body has already stopped producing testosterone naturally. You need the nolva and clomid to start that production again. If you just stop cold turkey now your body will take a very long time to get back to normal. I would continue injections until you have the nolva and clomid in your possession then stop injections and start PCT 14 days after last injection.

[songdog]

sounds like i will just stop like i said i havnt even finished a full cycle.....lets not scare the hell outta me, how bout some advice not u screwed the pooch not what i was looking for.....

Well you are not the 1st and won't be the last.We get men and kids all the time doing this.Sorry this isn't the answer you were looking for but if getting big and losing weight was easy everyone would look like Arnold.But life isn't like that YOU HAVE TO PAY YOUR DUES!

[Jnumber1]

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[oldnsedentary]

sounds like i will just stop like i said i havnt even finished a full cycle.....lets not scare the hell outta me, how bout some advice not u screwed the pooch not what i was looking for.....

Nobody said you screwed the pooch. Read Kelkel's post #16. Read the link in post #3. Stop ignoring the valuable advice being provided, which would take many hours of work to find on your own without help. Show some fucking gratitude by at least reading what has already been provided.

[Jnumber1]

its an expression, do u know what that is?

[Jnumber1]

its all been read. who said i wasnt showing gratitude? fuck off dude

[Couchlock]

its all been read. who said i wasnt showing gratitude? fuck off dude

Yowza!

[oldnsedentary]

its all been read. who said i wasnt showing gratitude? fuck off dude

LOL! Good luck, junkie. I hope you recover in spite of your lack of any knowledge before diving in.

Everything you need is already right here in the thread, or linked in this thread.

[oldnsedentary]

its an expression, do u know what that is?

Is this where I look confused and say, looking surprised, "Uh, no. I really thought you were fucking your dog."

[numbere]

its all been read. who said i wasnt showing gratitude? fuck off dude

Hey buddy you need to relax.

You can't speak to people like that on this forum.

All these guys are trying to help you out because they have your best interests at heart.

You you sensed any condescending attitude it was due to the fact that emotions often get lost or confused when communicating through text.

[songdog]

Bro people here were trying to help you not getting on you.Would you prefer we not tell you wat could happen and you keep cycling and get Gyno bitch tits or have your E2 crash.We were looking out for your safety and if you stopped beacuse you were scared you were one of the smart ones.Beacuse everyday we get guys who think they can take aas and get big like the guys on the mag covers.

[Jnumber1]

junkie? cool is this whos trying to help me? hey.....once again fuck off....im reading and paying attention to the people that i feel actually know where im coming from. like songdog last post. Yours are just wasting time. get lost....arnt u on juice? calling me a junkie? addiction is a disease, so you sound really dumb....i mean just dumb...stick to the gym not the forums....

[numbere]

junkie? cool is this whos trying to help me? hey.....once again fuck off....im reading and paying attention to the people that i feel actually know where im coming from. like songdog last post. Yours are just wasting time. get lost....arnt u on juice? calling me a junkie? addiction is a disease, so you sound really dumb....i mean just dumb...stick to the gym not the forums....

The point was clear in my last post so don't push.

If you can't have a civilized conversation then you won't last long on this board.

[Jnumber1]

thanks songdog yeah i hear ya, and numbere yes you are right. No i dont want bitch tits, no i dont want to continue juice, i came here for info and got some good insight. I got insight on guys that need another hobby and i got insight on what i need to "get right". Found all I need thanks to some.....but see im getting "finish the cycle " then im getting "stop right now" then im getting condescending assholes ive already met at the gym ( no thanks ) Ive read the 101 and spoke with who i need to speak with as far as im concerned this forum is closed. Thanks to those, you know who u are.

[Jnumber1]

i was just called a junkie......so where was the civilized conversation, maybe i missed it.....i am just a dumb junkie. Guess i shoulda came to the forum with advice and not questions. How stupid......im sorry.....

[Couchlock]

thanks songdog yeah i hear ya, and numbere yes you are right. No i dont want bitch tits, no i dont want to continue juice, i came here for info and got some good insight. I got insight on guys that need another hobby and i got insight on what i need to "get right". Found all I need thanks to some.....but see im getting "finish the cycle " then im getting "stop right now" then im getting condescending assholes ive already met at the gym ( no thanks ) Ive read the 101 and spoke with who i need to speak with as far as im concerned this forum is closed. Thanks to those, you know who u are.

Fwiw, "juice" is not an addictive substance.

I provides no euphoria associated with drugs, and the effects are not instant, but prolonged till they build up and start working, even then. No euphoria, other than "fuck yeah" when you look in mirror

I was a opiate addict for years, been clean since Dec. 26, 2006.

Went cold turkey and never looked back.

We understand you my man, more than you realize

[DHew]

It's okay, you have the info you need now. Educate yourself and just move on.

[numbere]

i was just called a junkie......so where was the civilized conversation, maybe i missed it.....i am just a dumb junkie. Guess i shoulda came to the forum with advice and not questions. How stupid......im sorry.....

You're a real pice of work.

Here's how a mature adult would have handled the situation.

They would have either ignored the comment because they know it's not true and have nothing to prove, or they would have used their big boy words to belittle the other person.

When you lose your cool you've already lost.

[Jnumber1]

k bud.....

[songdog]

LOL! Good luck, junkie. I hope you recover in spite of your lack of any knowledge before diving in.

Everything you need is already right here in the thread, or linked in this thread.

Watch your negative comments or your stay here will be a short one.

[Marsoc]

junkie? cool is this whos trying to help me? hey.....once again fuck off....im reading and paying attention to the people that i feel actually know where im coming from. like songdog last post. Yours are just wasting time. get lost....arnt u on juice? calling me a junkie? addiction is a disease, so you sound really dumb....i mean just dumb...stick to the gym not the forums....

Addiction is a choice at first them a physical dependency. ..fucking polio is a disease lol not doing dope kid..trust me I just dodged 20 years from a dope induced robbing spree of dope dealers lol they are scum and I vigulantied them

[oldnsedentary]

Watch your negative comments or your stay here will be a short one.

Short? Well, it's been six years so far . . . but I hear you. I should not have used that derogatory term to describe the OP after being told to fuck off by the OP. I will try to restrain my responses to such posts in the future.

[DocToxin8]

Always fascinating to see the debate about drug dependence and how sensitive everyone suddenly becomes.

This an old thread now, but for anyone else seeing it I'll sum up my views:
The OP was an opiate addict (or used opiates, what the fuck u call it)
then started an ill thought out use of 4 weeks on test with no AI or hCG .
Not very smart, but hey, it's no biggie.
Bitch tits usually takes longer to develop and as long as he didn't the no long term damage will occur from such short usage in most cases.
What should have been the point is how he should deal with this issue ahead, and some advice were given but so was the extent of "might be side effects" hyped to the max. And the OP was a little touchy about said opiate use as well.

Using AAS to get out of opiate addiction, yes it can be done.
Is it the best way? For sure not, but when it comes to ending drug use, that's when I think special considerations as to how one can employ AAS comes into play. But that's my opinion, and based upon my own (and others) drug use and choosing between pest and cholera, which is what u must do in some cases.

Saying drug use is or isn't a disease is quite pointless,
point is, should we treat it as a disease?
And that will vary case by case.
I for one think it much better to give opiate addicts free opiates than lock em up, and most science will agree with that, as far as costs to society, crimes commited and the lives of the addict themselves.

I don't see red if anyone wanna call me a junkie for either my opiate, speed or AAS use, but I don't agree with them. I just smile. To each his own I say. And being judgemental on a forum about, among other things, illegal drug use, that cracks me up.
End of rant.

[Couchlock]

Always fascinating to see the debate about drug dependence and how sensitive everyone suddenly becomes.

This an old thread now, but for anyone else seeing it I'll sum up my views:
The OP was an opiate addict (or used opiates, what the fuck u call it)
then started an ill thought out use of 4 weeks on test with no AI or hCG .
Not very smart, but hey, it's no biggie.
Bitch tits usually takes longer to develop and as long as he didn't the no long term damage will occur from such short usage in most cases.
What should have been the point is how he should deal with this issue ahead, and some advice were given but so was the extent of "might be side effects" hyped to the max. And the OP was a little touchy about said opiate use as well.

Using AAS to get out of opiate addiction, yes it can be done.
Is it the best way? For sure not, but when it comes to ending drug use, that's when I think special considerations as to how one can employ AAS comes into play. But that's my opinion, and based upon my own (and others) drug use and choosing between pest and cholera, which is what u must do in some cases.

Saying drug use is or isn't a disease is quite pointless,
point is, should we treat it as a disease?
And that will vary case by case.
I for one think it much better to give opiate addicts free opiates than lock em up, and most science will agree with that, as far as costs to society, crimes commited and the lives of the addict themselves.

I don't see red if anyone wanna call me a junkie for either my opiate, speed or AAS use, but I don't agree with them. I just smile. To each his own I say. And being judgemental on a forum about, among other things, illegal drug use, that cracks me up.
End of rant.

I think the "disease" theory is a way for the weak to cope.

I am a recovering (lack of a better word) opiate addict, i despised using. I used because a woman drug me into her addiction. Not blaming her, but it was my choice. But the second I saw an "out I took it.

I committed a small misdemeanor on purpose and plead guilty and did not post bond.

I served 25 days on a 6 month sentence. I also spent 2 Weeks prior to sentence awaiting court. So 39 days total. Detoxed in county jail.

That was in 2003, Dec 21st.

Haven't touched them since. Nor do I have the desire to.

Its strictly mind over matter, with a touch of physical.

After 3 to 4 days I was fine.

Fwiw, after the 39 days I was let out no probation

I stole a bottle of multivitamins and l carnitine from a big box store and went quietly