Mid-Cycle Bloodwork looks a little concerning

**Coffeehead** · 01-16-2017, 02:18 PM

I'm trying to make sense of all of this. Can someone please clue me in to how bad some of these out-of-range test results are? I'm incline to think the lipids and AST/ALT are somewhat normal, but the hormones LH/FSH and Estradiol results have me a bit concerned.

Chloride, Serum: 95 mmol/L
(Range: 96-106)

Alkaline Phosphate, S: 31 IU/L
(Range: 39-117)

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AST: 67 IU/L
(Range: 0-40)

ALT: 56 IU/L
(Range: 0-44)

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HDL: 10 mg/DL
(Range: >39)

LDL: 160 mg/DL
(Range: 0-99)

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LH: >0.2 mIU/ml
(Range: 1.7-8.6)

FSH: >0.2 mIU/ml
(Range: 1.5-12.4)

Estradiol, Sensitive: 66.9 pg/ml
(Range: 8-35)

Estradiol: 71.6 pg/ml
(Range: 7.6-42.6)

Testosterone : >1500 ng/dl
(Range: 348-1197)

Talk me away from the ledge guys (not literally). Is this BW pretty bad?

Thanks.

**Marcus G** · 01-16-2017, 02:51 PM

Well I guess you've found your high BP problem then. What cycle you on and AI you using with dose?

**Coffeehead** · 01-16-2017, 03:00 PM

Originally Posted by Marcus G

Well I guess you've found your high BP problem then. What cycle you on and AI you using with dose?

OK - what was causing it?

Test-E @ 500mg/wk
Tbol (weeks 1-3) at 50mg/day

AI was Adex at 0.5mg EOD
HCG at 250ml/every 4-5 days

I'm ending my 8th week in 2 days.

**Couchlock** · 01-16-2017, 03:02 PM

Originally Posted by Coffeehead

OK - what was causing it?

Test-E @ 500mg/wk
Tbol (weeks 1-3) at 50mg/day

AI was Adex at 0.5mg EOD
HCG at 250ml/every 4-5 days

Wow, .5 adex eod and estrogen that high?
.pharma or ugl?

**Marcus G** · 01-16-2017, 03:18 PM

Estrogen.. I agree with above your e2 level should not be that high on that dose of adex

**kelkel** · 01-16-2017, 03:20 PM

LH/FSH always zero out when on testosterone . You're shut down, it's normal. PCT is what helps to restore these functions when your cycle is over.

**Coffeehead** · 01-16-2017, 03:55 PM

Originally Posted by kelkel

LH/FSH always zero out when on testosterone. You're shut down, it's normal. PCT is what helps to restore these functions when your cycle is over.

Thanks - that is somewhat comforting. I figured HCG would increase LH, but clearly I was misinformed.

**Coffeehead** · 01-16-2017, 03:56 PM

Originally Posted by Couchlockd

Wow, .5 adex eod and estrogen that high?
.pharma or ugl?

UGL (2), but from what I understand they are pretty reputable. If you want to know the UGLs you can PM me.

**Coffeehead** · 01-16-2017, 03:57 PM

Originally Posted by Marcus G

Estrogen.. I agree with above your e2 level should not be that high on that dose of adex

Advise upping the adex? add Nolva? Shut down the cycle entirely?

I'm all ears guys. A little concerned (not sure if I should be) and looking for advice on how to proceed.

**cousinmuscles** · 01-16-2017, 04:02 PM

Originally Posted by Coffeehead

UGL (2), but from what I understand they are pretty reputable. If you want to know the UGLs you can PM me.

The UGL may have gotten a bad batch, or they may always have had bad AIs. If I were you I would look to find pharma grade AIs, if not possible then generics...

**Marcus G** · 01-16-2017, 04:07 PM

Originally Posted by Coffeehead

Advise upping the adex? add Nolva? Shut down the cycle entirely?

I'm all ears guys. A little concerned (not sure if I should be) and looking for advice on how to proceed.

All you need to is get some good adex no need to stop cycle and adding nolva won't bring e2 down

**Coffeehead** · 01-16-2017, 04:10 PM

Originally Posted by Marcus G

All you need to is get some good adex no need to stop cycle and adding nolva won't bring e2 down

Sounds easier said than done. I thought my adex was solid.

Any concern over the lipids or liver values?

**Marcus G** · 01-16-2017, 04:16 PM

Originally Posted by Coffeehead

Sounds easier said than done. I thought my adex was solid.

Any concern over the lipids or liver values?

Nope Lipids could be a little better but they fall once you come off

**Coffeehead** · 01-16-2017, 04:27 PM

Originally Posted by Marcus G

Nope Lipids could be a little better but they fall once you come off

Good to know. What about ALT/AST - also normal? If so, what range should I be concerned?

Is there any chance I just need to up my adex dose rather than look for another brand of adex?

**Marcus G** · 01-16-2017, 05:09 PM

Originally Posted by Coffeehead

Good to know. What about ALT/AST - also normal? If so, what range should I be concerned?

Is there any chance I just need to up my adex dose rather than look for another brand of adex?

liver will return to normal after cycle. You could try up the dose but really you should get a better brand.

**kelkel** · 01-16-2017, 05:34 PM

Originally Posted by Coffeehead

Thanks - that is somewhat comforting. I figured HCG would increase LH, but clearly I was misinformed.

Yes, you were. HCG mimics LH at the testicular level, not via the pituitary. If HCG or Serms maintained pituitary function while on cycle there'd be no need for pct.

**Coffeehead** · 01-16-2017, 05:42 PM

Originally Posted by kelkel

Yes, you were. HCG mimics LH at the testicular level, not via the pituitary. If HCG or Serms maintained pituitary function while on cycle there'd be no need for pct.

That makes sense, thanks for the reply Kelkel.

**Coffeehead** · 01-16-2017, 05:54 PM

One more question:

With such high E2 at the moment, should I be concerned about gyno? I don't seem to have any of those side effects, but now I'm a little concerned it could start up if this doesn't get figured out soon.

**Marcus G** · 01-16-2017, 06:03 PM

Originally Posted by Coffeehead

One more question:

With such high E2 at the moment, should I be concerned about gyno? I don't seem to have any of those side effects, but now I'm a little concerned it could start up if this doesn't get figured out soon.

Its possible

**Deal Me In** · 01-16-2017, 07:16 PM

If you're in the states get some adex from the site sponsor. The E2 number is the only thing I see that would really concern me. I've never heard of someone having that high of an E2 with that much adex. I've never seen numbers that high and I use half that.

As everyone else said, the other numbers should return to normal after your cycle. Always double check with blood work, but I've gotten numbers like that (other than E2) and they always normalize.

**Coffeehead** · 01-16-2017, 07:19 PM

Originally Posted by Marcus G

Its possible

**Couchlock** · 01-16-2017, 07:34 PM

Originally Posted by Deal Me In

If you're in the states get some adex from the site sponsor. The E2 number is the only thing I see that would really concern me. I've never heard of someone having that high of an E2 with that much adex. I've never seen numbers that high and I use half that.

As everyone else said, the other numbers should return to normal after your cycle. Always double check with blood work, but I've gotten numbers like that (other than E2) and they always normalize.

Which site sponsor would that be?,

**Coffeehead** · 01-17-2017, 03:20 PM

I'm going to increase my Adex to 1mg EOD, and get bloods redone in a couple weeks.

I'll also search for a new AI from someone else. What's somewhat baffling is that the place I got mine from is GTG from all I've been told. Not really sure if I can get a high-quality AI pronto, but I'll start looking around.

**Couchlock** · 01-17-2017, 06:40 PM

Originally Posted by Coffeehead

I'm going to increase my Adex to 1mg EOD, and get bloods redone in a couple weeks.

I'll also search for a new AI from someone else. What's somewhat baffling is that the place I got mine from is GTG from all I've been told. Not really sure if I can get a high-quality AI pronto, but I'll start looking around.

Naw,i think it was just me switching from pharma to ugl adex eod and it was the pharma grade working and ugl not.

I'm looking as well