Gyno Prevention On Test C

**snic00** · 02-10-2017, 04:48 PM

Will be doing my first cycle of Testosterone Cypionate 1000mg the first week in 2 separate shots and 500mg for 9 weeks 2 shots per week. Im running nothing else, except for PCT when my cycle is over. Will probabaly run Liquid Clomid/Nolva. I am 24 and 14% BF. My only lingering questions is about the possibility of gyno. I have Liquid Letro on hand which from the general consensus would knock it out effectively if I got it. My questions are:

1. Should I check for gyno everyday, or will it be very obvious with the pain and swelling
2. On your opinion what is the possibility of me forming gyno
3. If i do end up having it I am planning on taking the Letro with disposable gel pills for ease as follows (a good thumbs up or helpful comments are appreciated)
Day 1: .50mg Letro
Day 2: 1.0mg Letro
Day 3: 1.5mg Letro
Day 4: 2.0mg Letro
Day 5: 2.5mg Letro
Once at 2.5mg Letro remain at this dose until side effects subside. Once subsided(how will i know when it is subsided?) taper down with(2.5,2,1.5,1,.5,0)

Clean diet, good training. Again nothing else while on cycle except Test.

**songdog** · 02-10-2017, 04:56 PM

This whole idea of yours s---ks. You need to due some research on wat you are doing.I will give you a tip drop the Letro! Read our stickys.

**snic00** · 02-10-2017, 04:59 PM

My cycle is the basic idea which every single beginner cycle looks like without an AI everyday and I am just frontloading instead. Everything else is the same, would appreciate more info on why i should "drop" the letro if i havent even started it.

**hollowedzeus** · 02-10-2017, 05:10 PM

You're also doing twice the reccomended beginner cycle amount of test...

**snic00** · 02-10-2017, 05:15 PM

The question was about Letro. 500mg is a standard for a beginner. Been around gym rats since I was 14 and broscience as well as most online forums would consider 500 sizeable but not to much, Please just help me with my actual question about Gyno.

**snic00** · 02-10-2017, 05:17 PM

Even a sticky on here which the other guy recommened I do has 500mg. Please just help with Letro and gyno questions

**hollowedzeus** · 02-10-2017, 05:17 PM

Originally Posted by snic00

The question was about Letro. 500mg is a standard for a beginner. Been around gym rats since I was 14 and broscience as well as most online forums would consider 500 sizeable but not to much, Please just help me with my actual question about Gyno.

I apologise. I misread your post. I thought you were going for a gram for 10 weeks straight...

**snic00** · 02-10-2017, 05:19 PM

No no no haha. 500 for 8 weeks 1000 for week 1 to get my levels up faster. But again, do you have an comment on the letro/gyno other than "it sucks". WOuld appreciate info/personal experience

**hollowedzeus** · 02-10-2017, 05:25 PM

Originally Posted by snic00

No no no haha. 500 for 8 weeks 1000 for week 1 to get my levels up faster. But again, do you have an comment on the letro/gyno other than "it sucks". WOuld appreciate info/personal experience

I personally have no experience in this situation however from what I have read crashing your estrogen is not the answer... something like arimidex should be run on cycle with nolva or ralox to kill the gyno if it happens.

This was the protocol that I've gathered for when I eventually do my first cycle

**rt4man** · 02-10-2017, 05:25 PM

listen to songdog, drop the letro. Read what is recommended in the stickies!

My First Cycle: Planning and Executing a Successful First Cycle

Absolutely everything you need to know about your first cycle is in there.

**snic00** · 02-10-2017, 05:30 PM

Thank you for the reply, however I do not want to run an AI as I would like to do without to see how my body reacts. the question is what to do with my letro on hand if i do get it.

**Couchlock** · 02-10-2017, 05:31 PM

The reason for using an aromatase inhibitor like adex is that it won't completely crush your E2 like letrozole will

Also the reason for every other day go see regardless of gyno symptoms or not is to effectively control your and keep blood pressure in check

Once symptoms have started showing their self and you noticed them the condition has probably been present for about 2 weeks so therefore it's best to stay on top of things with a mild aromatase inhibitor like a DEX

**snic00** · 02-10-2017, 05:34 PM

OKAY I UNDERSTAND THIS BUT THIS IS NOT MY QUESTION. Aside from ALL this about taking an AI which I MIGHT think about I am wanting to know about letro what I should do if i get it. Please help with THIS specific question. I have read a lot in the past 3 months and know all about AI's and their usage

**The Deadlifting Dog** · 02-10-2017, 06:04 PM

Originally Posted by snic00

OKAY I UNDERSTAND THIS BUT THIS IS NOT MY QUESTION. Aside from ALL this about taking an AI which I MIGHT think about I am wanting to know about letro what I should do if i get it. Please help with THIS specific question. I have read a lot in the past 3 months and know all about AI's and their usage

I will help you despite your attitude.

AIs, including Letro, are used to prevent gyno.

Ralox or nolva are used to reverse gyno.

**kelkel** · 02-10-2017, 09:40 PM

Originally Posted by snic00

My cycle is the basic idea which every single beginner cycle looks like without an AI everyday and I am just frontloading instead. Everything else is the same, would appreciate more info on why i should "drop" the letro if i havent even started it.

Not really the same. Front loading is not necessary despite what your gym rat friends or bro-science tells you. Seriously, what's the rush?
If you don't realize the importance of estrogen control throughout your cycle then you are not really ready for said cycle. You don't put your seatbelt on after the crash.
What about HCG ? Are you not concerned about the health of your testicals?

**Back In Black** · 02-11-2017, 02:58 AM

The thread is titled prevention not cure but you don't seem interested in prevention. Prevention is better than cure. If you think an ai is only used in case you get gyno, and not in addition to several other high E2 symptoms, you are sorely mistaken. How much bloodwork do you plan on getting during cycle?

Most gym rats are full of BS (Bro Science or Bull Shit, they both fit)

HCG would be a welcome addition.

No need to front load and you should run your Cyp for 12 weeks.

What is your height and weight?

What is your PCT plan? 'Will probabaly run Liquid Clomid/Nolva' is not a plan and would have me worried.

**AR's King Silabolin** · 02-11-2017, 03:20 AM

Originally Posted by Back In Black

The thread is titled prevention not cure but you don't seem interested in prevention. Prevention is better than cure. If you think an ai is only used in case you get gyno, and not in addition to several other high E2 symptoms, you are sorely mistaken. How much bloodwork do you plan on getting during cycle?

Most gym rats are full of BS (Bro Science or Bull Shit, they both fit)

HCG would be a welcome addition.

No need to front load and you should run your Cyp for 12 weeks.

What is your height and weight?

What is your PCT plan? 'Will probabaly run Liquid Clomid/Nolva' is not a plan and would have me worried.

Bad argue with wife last nigth?

**Back In Black** · 02-11-2017, 03:27 AM

Originally Posted by Silabolin

Bad argue with wife last nigth?

No, too many other idiots about.

Anything wrong with this reply?

**AR's King Silabolin** · 02-11-2017, 03:31 AM

Originally Posted by Back In Black

No, too many other idiots about.

Anything wrong with this reply?

No but u seem a little bitchy..no...under the weather...no..which word???..hm..aggrivated today

**Octaneforce** · 02-11-2017, 09:10 AM

If you are worried about gyno you could take a low dose of nolva throughout your cycle, like 10mg every day (usually half or 1/4 pill). This of course would be in addition to 25mg of aromasin daily or .25mg of adex daily.
As for noticing gyno it should be pretty obvious but with the right protocol the odds will be low. I totally understand how you feel. The possibility of gyno scares the crap out of me lol.

**hollowedzeus** · 02-11-2017, 09:46 AM

Why are you against running arimidex ?

**evanescent** · 02-12-2017, 05:33 AM

You'd be much better off running really low levels of arimidex or aromasin (below what is suggested generally) then waiting to see if any symptoms appear. Then next cycle drop it if everything was fine.

Better to do that than to go in commando style and wait until gyno appears and have to reverse it with extra drugs and potentially doing damage.

You're still 24 and on the cusp of fucking up your endocrinology; would be dirt cheap to run ancillaries at a lowered dose to prevent any of that.