Onyx Pharma Superbulk 600

[Jb555]

Hi guys,

First post on here, so hi all!

I have run a number of courses over several years to varying degrees of results and outcomes.

The reason for this post is, I have been getting terrible terrible pain and swelling in the injection site from this course and flu like symptoms. I am not alone with this 3 of my friends are also running the same course with the same effect.

I am cycling 1 ml twice a week, Mondays and Thursdays and alternating cheeks. For about a week after each pin my buttock is swollen, very very painful to sit on and even walk around.

Can someone advise whether this is normal, will it get better over time? Should i switch to something else?

Appreciate your guys responses!

[Mr.BB]

High dosage gear always has high pip, find normal dosage gear for normal post injection pain.

Further than that it has decanoate ester which is very slow and will mess up your PCT timing.

[Couchlock]

Hi guys,

First post on here, so hi all!

I have run a number of courses over several years to varying degrees of results and outcomes.

The reason for this post is, I have been getting terrible terrible pain and swelling in the injection site from this course and flu like symptoms. I am not alone with this 3 of my friends are also running the same course with the same effect.

I am cycling 1 ml twice a week, Mondays and Thursdays and alternating cheeks. For about a week after each pin my buttock is swollen, very very painful to sit on and even walk around.

Can someone advise whether this is normal, will it get better over time? Should i switch to something else?

Appreciate your guys responses!<img src="http://forums.steroid.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=168107"/>

Huh....I wonder why cyp and enan. At same strength in same compound.

It seems redundant, 400mg cyp or 400mg enan would be the same.

The pain you describe is normal for some people.

[TheTaxMan]

600mg per ml?
Theres your answer mate, thats a very high concentrate
I doubt it will get any better

[PT1982]

Huh....I wonder why cyp and enan. At same strength in same compound.

It seems redundant, 400mg cyp or 400mg enan would be the same.

The pain you describe is normal for some people.

Is very common in high dosed test because cyp can be touchy, while enanth is not. Test 5 can be brewed up to 400mgs pet easy without the need of super solvents, so adding cyp will make the new easier to hold. Other than that, it's not much difference at all.

[joshrutz56]

I had similar issues the first 4-7 weeks. They subsided try a heating pad right after injection and massage it for a couple min


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[DocToxin8]

Is very common in high dosed test because cyp can be touchy, while enanth is not. Test 5 can be brewed up to 400mgs pet easy without the need of super solvents, so adding cyp will make the new easier to hold. Other than that, it's not much difference at all.

Interesting.

I avoid all test dosed higher than 250mg/ml, and the only time I get some PIP is when I inject 1ml in the biceps, and is holding around my GF when humping.
But I prefer HG test also.
And I really dislike the very notion that gear should contain Benzyl Benzoate. (Sure, used a lot of it, but over the last year I don't think even the tren I use contain BB.)
But very few home brew over here, and test is easy to find HG.

Sure it makes sense from a smugglers perspective, but not from a users IMO.

Remember an old UGL that produced lots of blends,
Like 200mg test e, 200mg tren e. And I used their stuff and was quite pleased, for a while. I also used another UGL that had Sus 350 and such.
That summer I suddenly had bloodwork revealing values of;
CK: >4000, ASAT: >500 (don't remember ALT and other, but had high creatinine values, without (too high) elevated BUN.
And I felt like shit, my thighs (were i injected for the most part) felt smashed.
Headache and very brown urine for 3 weeks.

To this day I can't know for sure what happened.
But the only thing I had done differently than before was using lots of high dosed gear, (and probably not rotates sites enough either).

The values reflected either a heart attack or general muscle damage.
To my knowledge I didn't have a heart attack and have had ultrasound of my heart after that also. (and no findings have ever reported me having a heart attack)

Maybe it was bacteria but I never felt sick on that way.
I've left with the conclusion, or hypothesis, that it was muscle damage somehow caused by the gear. Was it solvents, or just crystallized gear tearing up muscle fibers? No idea. But I've stayed away from high dosed gear since.

[Marsoc]

Hi guys,

First post on here, so hi all!

I have run a number of courses over several years to varying degrees of results and outcomes.

The reason for this post is, I have been getting terrible terrible pain and swelling in the injection site from this course and flu like symptoms. I am not alone with this 3 of my friends are also running the same course with the same effect.

I am cycling 1 ml twice a week, Mondays and Thursdays and alternating cheeks. For about a week after each pin my buttock is swollen, very very painful to sit on and even walk around.

Can someone advise whether this is normal, will it get better over time? Should i switch to something else?

Appreciate your guys responses!

You do know your injecting over 1 gram of gear a week doing 1ml of that stuff twice a week. That's 600mg it says, I'm assuming it's 600mg/ml. That's high as fuck lol for one shot. Normal is like 100mg/ml

[Couchlock]

Is very common in high dosed test because cyp can be touchy, while enanth is not. Test 5 can be brewed up to 400mgs pet easy without the need of super solvents, so adding cyp will make the new easier to hold. Other than that, it's not much difference at all.

You seem to know a lot about brewing.

My next is consisting if test e 500mg/ml. What should I watch out for?.

I got that strength over 300, because it was cheaper (95$ for 500, 62$ 300).

[TheTaxMan]

What attracts people to these sort of blends and high doses per ml is usualy cost and/or less frequent jabs

But in my opinion, by shite, by twice

[songdog]

I am with Doc on this 250mg is plenty enough for me.I have read too many threads about guys being sore as hell and can't train beacuse of their gear.No thanks I will pass.

[NACH3]

Interesting.

I avoid all test dosed higher than 250mg/ml, and the only time I get some PIP is when I inject 1ml in the biceps, and is holding around my GF when humping.
But I prefer HG test also.
And I really dislike the very notion that gear should contain Benzyl Benzoate. (Sure, used a lot of it, but over the last year I don't think even the tren I use contain BB.)
But very few home brew over here, and test is easy to find HG.

Sure it makes sense from a smugglers perspective, but not from a users IMO.

Remember an old UGL that produced lots of blends,
Like 200mg test e, 200mg tren e. And I used their stuff and was quite pleased, for a while. I also used another UGL that had Sus 350 and such.
That summer I suddenly had bloodwork revealing values of;
CK: >4000, ASAT: >500 (don't remember ALT and other, but had high creatinine values, without (too high) elevated BUN.
And I felt like shit, my thighs (were i injected for the most part) felt smashed.
Headache and very brown urine for 3 weeks.

To this day I can't know for sure what happened.
But the only thing I had done differently than before was using lots of high dosed gear, (and probably not rotates sites enough either).

The values reflected either a heart attack or general muscle damage.
To my knowledge I didn't have a heart attack and have had ultrasound of my heart after that also. (and no findings have ever reported me having a heart attack)

Maybe it was bacteria but I never felt sick on that way.
I've left with the conclusion, or hypothesis, that it was muscle damage somehow caused by the gear. Was it solvents, or just crystallized gear tearing up muscle fibers? No idea. But I've stayed away from high dosed gear since.

Funny you bring this up I believe or hypothesized that some gear I had s while back(had crashed but I brought it back) or so I thought - I think when I tore my R quad it had a lot to do with the supertest(400) I was using... either way I felt it had crystallized in my leg since I hit my quad the day b4?!?!

[NACH3]

You seem to know a lot about brewing.

My next is consisting if test e 500mg/ml. What should I watch out for?.

I got that strength over 300, because it was cheaper (95$ for 500, 62$ 300).

Remember you get what you pay for!!! Like everything but Especially in this game!

[hammerheart]

Interesting.

I avoid all test dosed higher than 250mg/ml, and the only time I get some PIP is when I inject 1ml in the biceps, and is holding around my GF when humping.
But I prefer HG test also.
And I really dislike the very notion that gear should contain Benzyl Benzoate. (Sure, used a lot of it, but over the last year I don't think even the tren I use contain BB.)
But very few home brew over here, and test is easy to find HG.

Sure it makes sense from a smugglers perspective, but not from a users IMO.

Remember an old UGL that produced lots of blends,
Like 200mg test e, 200mg tren e. And I used their stuff and was quite pleased, for a while. I also used another UGL that had Sus 350 and such.
That summer I suddenly had bloodwork revealing values of;
CK: >4000, ASAT: >500 (don't remember ALT and other, but had high creatinine values, without (too high) elevated BUN.
And I felt like shit, my thighs (were i injected for the most part) felt smashed.
Headache and very brown urine for 3 weeks.

To this day I can't know for sure what happened.
But the only thing I had done differently than before was using lots of high dosed gear, (and probably not rotates sites enough either).

The values reflected either a heart attack or general muscle damage.
To my knowledge I didn't have a heart attack and have had ultrasound of my heart after that also. (and no findings have ever reported me having a heart attack)

Maybe it was bacteria but I never felt sick on that way.
I've left with the conclusion, or hypothesis, that it was muscle damage somehow caused by the gear. Was it solvents, or just crystallized gear tearing up muscle fibers? No idea. But I've stayed away from high dosed gear since.

Hmmm I'm running some UGL Test dosed at 300mg/ml (SIS, can't get BP anymore unfortunately) without any PIP issue.

About blends I'm of the idea it's hard enough to get proper dosed UGL gear, who knows what you actually get in mixes, chances are high the compounds are either grossly underdosed or even missing.

[PT1982]

Interesting.

I avoid all test dosed higher than 250mg/ml, and the only time I get some PIP is when I inject 1ml in the biceps, and is holding around my GF when humping.
But I prefer HG test also.
And I really dislike the very notion that gear should contain Benzyl Benzoate. (Sure, used a lot of it, but over the last year I don't think even the tren I use contain BB.)
But very few home brew over here, and test is easy to find HG.

Sure it makes sense from a smugglers perspective, but not from a users IMO.

Remember an old UGL that produced lots of blends,
Like 200mg test e, 200mg tren e. And I used their stuff and was quite pleased, for a while. I also used another UGL that had Sus 350 and such.
That summer I suddenly had bloodwork revealing values of;
CK: >4000, ASAT: >500 (don't remember ALT and other, but had high creatinine values, without (too high) elevated BUN.
And I felt like shit, my thighs (were i injected for the most part) felt smashed.
Headache and very brown urine for 3 weeks.

To this day I can't know for sure what happened.
But the only thing I had done differently than before was using lots of high dosed gear, (and probably not rotates sites enough either).

The values reflected either a heart attack or general muscle damage.
To my knowledge I didn't have a heart attack and have had ultrasound of my heart after that also. (and no findings have ever reported me having a heart attack)

Maybe it was bacteria but I never felt sick on that way.
I've left with the conclusion, or hypothesis, that it was muscle damage somehow caused by the gear. Was it solvents, or just crystallized gear tearing up muscle fibers? No idea. But I've stayed away from high dosed gear since.

That's strange. I've had some weird things happen along the way as well. I don't see how BB can't be used to some capacity though. Even human grade has small amounts. I can see a lower dosed test E possibly holding as long as there is no extreme temperature changes. Ethyl oleate is the solvent that worries me the most. This is due to reactions I have had as well as some studies I've seen. But you're right that high dosed gear is pointless because there will be pip no matter. The highest I've went was 500mgs per ml worth test E and never, ever will I do it again.

[PT1982]

You seem to know a lot about brewing.

My next is consisting if test e 500mg/ml. What should I watch out for?.

I got that strength over 300, because it was cheaper (95$ for 500, 62$ 300).

I wouldn't touch test 500! I just touched on it with doc. It isn't meant to be need that high and the only way (that I know of) is the use of EO. For some they have no issue. But for many it can be crippling. However, test brewed that high, regardless of how is brewed, it's going to hurt. When I say hurt, I'm taking not being able to train for 2 days hurt. I brew mine at 300 of I've got test E. 200- 250 of its cyp.

[Couchlock]

I wouldn't touch test 500! I just touched on it with doc. It isn't meant to be need that high and the only way (that I know of) is the use of EO. For some they have no issue. But for many it can be crippling. However, test brewed that high, regardless of how is brewed, it's going to hurt. When I say hurt, I'm taking not being able to train for 2 days hurt. I brew mine at 300 of I've got test E. 200- 250 of its cyp.

Man what the fuck, looks like I'm going to have to buy 4 more vials now of e300.

[Mr.BB]

That's strange. I've had some weird things happen along the way as well. I don't see how BB can't be used to some capacity though. Even human grade has small amounts. I can see a lower dosed test E possibly holding as long as there is no extreme temperature changes. Ethyl oleate is the solvent that worries me the most. This is due to reactions I have had as well as some studies I've seen. But you're right that high dosed gear is pointless because there will be pip no matter. The highest I've went was 500mgs per ml worth test E and never, ever will I do it again.

x2 on the EA. Cant stand that shit.

On another note my wife cant stand guaiacol, so that makes it almost off limits too

[Couchlock]

x2 on the EA. Cant stand that shit.

On another note my wife cant stand guaiacol, so that makes it almost off limits too

What is EA, what is guaiacol, and how the neck can I know if certain lab uses them ?

Fwiw, the lab I got my cyp250 from is the same I got the e500 from. Cyp250 was like smooth as silk, never once pip. Just like the Watson 200 I had.

So were saying, to have 500 per ml some painfully solvent has to be used for sure?

[PT1982]

What is EA, what is guaiacol, and how the neck can I know if certain lab uses them ?

Fwiw, the lab I got my cyp250 from is the same I got the e500 from. Cyp250 was like smooth as silk, never once pip. Just like the Watson 200 I had.

So were saying, to have 500 per ml some painfully solvent has to be used for sure?

You shouldn't have to worry about guaiacol unless you use an injectable form of a c17 alk oral. The stuff is basically kerosene. It is brutal stuff.

[PT1982]

What is EA, what is guaiacol, and how the neck can I know if certain lab uses them ?

Fwiw, the lab I got my cyp250 from is the same I got the e500 from. Cyp250 was like smooth as silk, never once pip. Just like the Watson 200 I had.

So were saying, to have 500 per ml some painfully solvent has to be used for sure?

The solvents used and the concentration of gear. When tell powder is in solution at that high of a dose, there is as much hormone as powder, so that's the main problem with the pain. You can always get the 500 and add oil to it to cut it down to 250 or whatever dose you want. It still will have the ethyl oleate in it though.

[Back In Black]

What attracts people to these sort of blends and high doses per ml is usualy cost and/or less frequent jabs

But in my opinion, by shite, by twice

Lol, also the name.

Superbulk 600 sounds like something from South Park.

[Mr.BB]

What is EA, what is guaiacol, and how the neck can I know if certain lab uses them ?

Fwiw, the lab I got my cyp250 from is the same I got the e500 from. Cyp250 was like smooth as silk, never once pip. Just like the Watson 200 I had.

So were saying, to have 500 per ml some painfully solvent has to be used for sure?

Guaiacol you will know when you smell it lol

[DocToxin8]

That's strange. I've had some weird things happen along the way as well. I don't see how BB can't be used to some capacity though. Even human grade has small amounts. I can see a lower dosed test E possibly holding as long as there is no extreme temperature changes. Ethyl oleate is the solvent that worries me the most. This is due to reactions I have had as well as some studies I've seen. But you're right that high dosed gear is pointless because there will be pip no matter. The highest I've went was 500mgs per ml worth test E and never, ever will I do it again.

I don't know what happened, and can't rightly just blame it on the solvents either. But BB and BA seems to be used in quite high amounts of lots of UGL gear, way more than should be needed.

While I'm sure some BB isn't a problem,
I can't remember any HG Pharma gear containing BB.
Also, BA is usually never higher than 0,9%.
In cidoteston there isn't even any BA at all,
(they only date it with a 3 year exp date though)
and cidoteston is virtually pain free.
(I might remember wrong, but dont think I am about the cidoteston)

As for ethyl oleate, I've used gear with EO.
Either just because it said so on the bottle,
but isn't it a good guess it's EO when it's almost as liquid as water?

I know some HG progesterone stuff used EO,
so it is used as a carrier. Would have to look more into it though.
But by far, natural oils all the way what I prefer.
Olive, grape, peanut, you name it.

[PT1982]

Lol, also the name.

Superbulk 600 sounds like something from South Park.

That's a good one lol

[PT1982]

Guaiacol you will know when you smell it lol

That's the truth! It smells like certain death

[PT1982]

I don't know what happened, and can't rightly just blame it on the solvents either. But BB and BA seems to be used in quite high amounts of lots of UGL gear, way more than should be needed.

While I'm sure some BB isn't a problem,
I can't remember any HG Pharma gear containing BB.
Also, BA is usually never higher than 0,9%.
In cidoteston there isn't even any BA at all,
(they only date it with a 3 year exp date though)
and cidoteston is virtually pain free.
(I might remember wrong, but dont think I am about the cidoteston)

As for ethyl oleate, I've used gear with EO.
Either just because it said so on the bottle,
but isn't it a good guess it's EO when it's almost as liquid as water?

I know some HG progesterone stuff used EO,
so it is used as a carrier. Would have to look more into it though.
But by far, natural oils all the way what I prefer.
Olive, grape, peanut, you name it.

EO is super thin and that is a draw for some. BA and BB are used WAY to high in many ugls. I like <1% BA and prefer less than 10% BB if permitted

[Mr.BB]

I don't know what happened, and can't rightly just blame it on the solvents either. But BB and BA seems to be used in quite high amounts of lots of UGL gear, way more than should be needed.

While I'm sure some BB isn't a problem,
I can't remember any HG Pharma gear containing BB.
Also, BA is usually never higher than 0,9%.
In cidoteston there isn't even any BA at all,
(they only date it with a 3 year exp date though)
and cidoteston is virtually pain free.
(I might remember wrong, but dont think I am about the cidoteston)

As for ethyl oleate, I've used gear with EO.
Either just because it said so on the bottle,
but isn't it a good guess it's EO when it's almost as liquid as water?

I know some HG progesterone stuff used EO,
so it is used as a carrier. Would have to look more into it though.
But by far, natural oils all the way what I prefer.
Olive, grape, peanut, you name it.

Testoviron from Bayer has BB, dont know how much.

[Couchlock]

Testoviron from Bayer has BB, dont know how much.

I'm 12 days since my last Nolva dose (did 6 week pct) what would be the worst case scenario if I pinned a 1/4ml of my test e 500 just to see if I should order lower concentration for next cycle?.

[PT1982]

I'm 12 days since my last Nolva dose (did 6 week pct) what would be the worst case scenario if I pinned a 1/4ml of my test e 500 just to see if I should order lower concentration for next cycle?.

I wouldn't. And.25ml may not show you much. Just wait and if it is a pain, we can help you adjust it to ease the pain by lowering the dose if it's needed.

[DocToxin8]

Ethyl oleate as a carrier seems pretty safe to me.
I haven't investigated it that much, but as far as oral ingestion it goes through regular beta oxidation to yield energy just like any fatty acid.
And with oral use the doses tested on rats were fairly high,
(So high that with the highest dose around 10% were excreted in the feces, meaning it was never absorbed from the GI tract)
and this test lasted 91 days. Which is like a human eating EO for about two years or so.

And to my knowledge there isn't much difference when one is injecting or eating a oil, (filtered and sterile of ofcourse)
but I've heard some rumors about EO before also.

Benzyl Benzoate and Benzyl alcohol is known to be nephrotoxic and hepatotoxic though. Think I saw that one UGL used 30% BB, but that can't be right?

And Couch, no point injecting such a small amount to check PIP.
As PT said, if it turns out to be a problem, dilute it.
But I'd invest in "better" gear in the future.
The test isn't what makes any cycle expensive anyways.

[redz]

I'm running a 400mg/ml blend that is painless made with EO. I've had 600mg/ml painless gear too.

[PT1982]

Ethyl oleate as a carrier seems pretty safe to me.
I haven't investigated it that much, but as far as oral ingestion it goes through regular beta oxidation to yield energy just like any fatty acid.
And with oral use the doses tested on rats were fairly high,
(So high that with the highest dose around 10% were excreted in the feces, meaning it was never absorbed from the GI tract)
and this test lasted 91 days. Which is like a human eating EO for about two years or so.

And to my knowledge there isn't much difference when one is injecting or eating a oil, (filtered and sterile of ofcourse)
but I've heard some rumors about EO before also.

Benzyl Benzoate and Benzyl alcohol is known to be nephrotoxic and hepatotoxic though. Think I saw that one UGL used 30% BB, but that can't be right?

And Couch, no point injecting such a small amount to check PIP.
As PT said, if it turns out to be a problem, dilute it.
But I'd invest in "better" gear in the future.
The test isn't what makes any cycle expensive anyways.

No, you're right. A lot of labs use BB at that range. It's a fail safe way to brew. At 30%, you could almost get away with mixing powder with the BB and just bottle. It'll flat out dissolve a hormone quickly.

[PT1982]

I'm running a 400mg/ml blend that is painless made with EO. I've had 600mg/ml painless gear too.

Most people can use it with no problems at all. I use it on my short esters. I typically don't have issues, and then out of nowhere I'll start experiencing pain. It makes for a great carrier/solvent with short esters especially.

[Mr.BB]

Most people can use it with no problems at all. I use it on my short esters. I typically don't have issues, and then out of nowhere I'll start experiencing pain. It makes for a great carrier/solvent with short esters especially.

Im allergic to EO. After inject I get big red circle around site and pip for 7 days.

[PT1982]

Im allergic to EO. After inject I get big red circle around site and pip for 7 days.

Yes sir. It comes in phases like that for me too. It's strange. I can be fine for a few weeks, then wham! Hot red swelling with crippling pain. Then it goes away. I do know own of people that break out in hives. And I know people that have 0 issues. It's not like other oils. It's a strange compound. Just for a talking point on its safety, draw up a ml in a 3ml syringe for a day or 2. It'll destroy the rubber stopper and odd are the syringe will be empty. It can be difficult to work with because of its ability to break material down. I've had it eat up the rubber stopper on a vial that was on its side in a drawer. I just wonder what it does to a muscle? You can dip a syringe in it and pull it out and all of the numbers and markers will be gone.

[DocToxin8]

Aha, so it's a allergy type reaction it seems, does it itch or cause PIP also?

[Mr.BB]

No itching for me, just red bit swelling and pip from hell.

[PT1982]

It can drive you crazy itching if done subQ. It can also create a spiderweb type of reaction. I would never suggest doing it subQ. But typically it is as Mr BB said. Painful and hot. Radiating type of pain.

[hammerheart]

It can drive you crazy itching if done subQ. It can also create a spiderweb type of reaction. I would never suggest doing it subQ. But typically it is as Mr BB said. Painful and hot. Radiating type of pain.

Did that mistake once. It took one month for the swelling to resorb.