Weird reaction to Clen (Female first cycle Clen + Var)

[GirlyGymRat]

I'm off clen right now. Last dose was Sunday morning. I've read that some people run ECA the off weeks of clen or another fat burner and that ECA has less sides and is an appetite suppressant. Clen gave me the worst cravings. Almost worse than pregnancy cravings!!


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Yes that is true re ECA. Appetite suppressant! I can't take after 1pm due to stimulation.

[KJ419]

Yes that is true re ECA. Appetite suppressant! I can't take after 1pm due to stimulation.

So far I love it!! I'm only doing one dose a day and I like how much energy I have that lasts through without it feeling like overstimulation! Definitely makes me not want to go back to the clen haha


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[Couchlock]

So far I love it!! I'm only doing one dose a day and I like how much energy I have that lasts through without it feeling like overstimulation! Definitely makes me not want to go back to the clen haha

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Just use wisely, don't overdue it.

Is max out at 75 mg ephedrine a day no more.

Individual tolerance needs assessed with ephedrine, caffeine, aspirin stacks

[AKD_FitChick]

Absolutely not! It's a misconception for sure. While sure, there is some risk, I've got a true study showing that a patient was misdiagnosed and put on thyroid meds for over 30 years. When taken off, the thyroid bounced back unphased in weeks! It's one of the most resilient organs in our whole body.

I wish this was mine I fight thyroid disease, hashi and cortisol issues. Finally on a dose that works. On 3 medications for thyroid. When I stop absorbing meds due to hashi or gut I hit a wall so bad. It's rough. It's the hardest thing. Especially for me being a energizer bunny normally.

So you think that all thyroid patients can come off and their thyroid will bounce back? I am really intrigued and would love your thoughts. I hoped about 7 years ago I could reverse it, but no hope anymore. Mine is literally in the shitter.

Would love your thoughts!


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[hammerheart]

I wish this was mine I fight thyroid disease, hashi and cortisol issues. Finally on a dose that works. On 3 medications for thyroid. When I stop absorbing meds due to hashi or gut I hit a wall so bad. It's rough. It's the hardest thing. Especially for me being a energizer bunny normally.

So you think that all thyroid patients can come off and their thyroid will bounce back? I am really intrigued and would love your thoughts. I hoped about 7 years ago I could reverse it, but no hope anymore. Mine is literally in the shitter.

Would love your thoughts!


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What does your thyroid echo or ultrasound say? What are you taking and what is the dosage?

I was diagnosed with hashimoto at 24 and my thyroid was 90% eaten from autoimmune thyroditis already (likely had it since teens).

Autoimmune disease is linked to estrogen dominance and that's why is prevalent among women. When I pin strong androgens like Tren , it seems to suppress thyroiditis markers, lymph nodes on side of neck shrink, blood counts improve, etc.

I've also found fish oil to be a strong aid against this disease. Are you supplementing with omega3s? Another recommended supp is high dose D3.

I take 125mcg T4 + 12.5mcg T3 currently.

For most ppl, returning TSH into optimal range (1-1.5) provides already of a big improvement. But for me, the inflammatory process is severe enough a suppressed TSH of 0 is not enough. That means I need to manage it through diet and supp no matter hormone replacement.

[AKD_FitChick]

What does your thyroid echo or ultrasound say? What are you taking and what is the dosage?

I was diagnosed with hashimoto at 24 and my thyroid was 90% eaten from autoimmune thyroditis already (likely had it since teens).

Autoimmune disease is linked to estrogen dominance and that's why is prevalent among women. When I pin strong androgens like Tren , it seems to suppress thyroiditis markers, lymph nodes on side of neck shrink, blood counts improve, etc.

I've also found fish oil to be a strong aid against this disease. Are you supplementing with omega3s? Another recommended supp is high dose D3.

I take 125mcg T4 + 12.5mcg T3 currently.

For most ppl, returning TSH into optimal range (1-1.5) provides already of a big improvement. But for me, the inflammatory process is severe enough a suppressed TSH of 0 is not enough. That means I need to manage it through diet and supp no matter hormone replacement.

The last ultrasound and CT I did had more nodules, tested and non cancerous. I am on T4 125mcg and T3 75mcg a day. I also take a compound that is a mixed dose of t3/t4 that is mixed with a probiotic. For extra absorption. My body will just stop absorbing meds sometimes and I will go In every 6 weeks for labs cause it constantly drops. It's been a constant battle for 7 years. I am my best with my TSH at 0-.5 , ifs it's above 1.0 I am sluggish. My T3 is best in the top 3/4 of range and 3/4 for T4. Everyone is different. That's me though.

Hashi is a different story. I can absolutely not have one ounce of gluten without getting really sick, vomiting within 20 min.

My adrenals took a crap and I have to be on steroids to boost my cortisol since my thyroid attacks everything.

I can tell you when I am dosed right, have great cortisol levels and drink bone broth daily, my body works amazing.

I also don't produce female hormones naturally, I am on progesterone. I have more testosterone In my body than most woman according to my dr.

I went into thyroid toxosis and my thyroid almost died. Thank god my dr caught it.

I get nervous messing with steroids due to my thyroid. I never want to feel that low ever again when I crash.

I am on 10,000 iu of Vit D 3, I eat a ton of omegas cause I live on salmon

I heard selenium is good too. My dr doesn't have me take it right now.

I eat extremely clean and have for 7 years and do everything to benefit my thyroid.

I am so glad someone on here has it too and maybe understands what I go through all the time. It's a battle, but right now is under control, thank goodness

I also suffer from lymph-nodes enlarging a lot.

How is yours right now?


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[hammerheart]

The last ultrasound and CT I did had more nodules, tested and non cancerous. I am on T4 125mcg and T3 75mcg a day. I also take a compound that is a mixed dose of t3/t4 that is mixed with a probiotic. For extra absorption. My body will just stop absorbing meds sometimes and I will go In every 6 weeks for labs cause it constantly drops. It's been a constant battle for 7 years. I am my best with my TSH at 0-.5 , ifs it's above 1.0 I am sluggish. My T3 is best in the top 3/4 of range and 3/4 for T4. Everyone is different. That's me though.

That's a lot of hormones. If you need to keep TSH that low in order to feel better, you already know you can't go back at this point, especially since everything else seems on point.

Hashi is a different story. I can absolutely not have one ounce of gluten without getting really sick, vomiting within 20 min.

I don't have such strong reactions but I've been off gluten for three years by now, it improved some symptoms, and should help with autoimmunity.

You got tested for coeliac disease I guess? Ever run a small intestine biopsy?

Do you know your Iron and B12 status? I need IM B12 because levels will stay low no matter oral supp. Iron, I've been supplementing for three years by now and my stores are still borderline low.

My adrenals took a crap and I have to be on steroids to boost my cortisol since my thyroid attacks everything.
I can tell you when I am dosed right, have great cortisol levels and drink bone broth daily, my body works amazing.

The thyroid can't attack the adrenals directly but can mess with the HPA axis. Is your hypocortisolism central (ie. low ACTH) or primary? Ever tested for addison disease?

I also don't produce female hormones naturally, I am on progesterone. I have more testosterone In my body than most woman according to my dr.

High T for a woman can be a great thing to have, if it's not giving you any issue, androgen-charged women are the best imo.

What is the reason for hypogonadism? Heck you sound like you got polyglandular endocrine syndrome. Anyone else in your family with same condition(s)?

I'm diagnosed low T too.

I went into thyroid toxosis and my thyroid almost died. Thank god my dr caught it.

I get nervous messing with steroids due to my thyroid. I never want to feel that low ever again when I crash.

You mean thyrotoxicosis? That's bad. Of course the transitory flood of hormones will shut down TSH so you will crush as soon as it ends.

Androgen can play with TBG (thyroxine binding globulin) and that's the major carrier of thyroid hormones around the body. Strong androgens will be especially harsh in that context, but I don't see major issues with low dose orals.

I am on 10,000 iu of Vit D 3, I eat a ton of omegas cause I live on salmon

I heard selenium is good too. My dr doesn't have me take it right now.

I eat extremely clean and have for 7 years and do everything to benefit my thyroid.

I am so glad someone on here has it too and maybe understands what I go through all the time. It's a battle, but right now is under control, thank goodness

I also suffer from lymph-nodes enlarging a lot.

How is yours right now?

Does that dose of D3 put you high enough in range? I hope your salmon is wild caught. I never eat farmed salmon, it's exceedingly polluted.

Selenium is good too, some will argue it's needed for T4->T3 conversion but it's real benefits stem from its strong anti-oxidant power.

You can supplement with it no prob, I don't feel anything special from it but it seem to do wonders for some. Avoid inorganic forms such sodium selenite, it's worthless and even potentially toxic. Best Selenium as a supplement is yeast-free l-selenomethionine, and according to research benefits start at 200mcg daily over a long period, without risk of toxicity.

I'll get extremely sluggish and depressed if I don't eat clean. Unfortunately, our systems can't handle junk food like anyone else. If our lives had a soundtrack, it would be "O Fortuna" by Carl Orff.

My lymph nodes went crazy swollen and tender in April. Thing is, I had run out of omega 3s and didn't care to order more, in a couple weeks my thyroiditis flared up like no tomorrow, you wouldn't believe but no matter I was and still lacking any hunger yet having a bad diet this resulted in a sudden 20lbs fat gain... then started pinning some Tren in early May, not feeling spectacular from it but the lymph nodes regressed back to normal in a week. Of course also stocked enough fish oil for the summer.

Now I need to diet to lose all that fat.

[Couchlock]

What does your thyroid echo or ultrasound say? What are you taking and what is the dosage?

I was diagnosed with hashimoto at 24 and my thyroid was 90% eaten from autoimmune thyroditis already (likely had it since teens).

Autoimmune disease is linked to estrogen dominance and that's why is prevalent among women. When I pin strong androgens like Tren , it seems to suppress thyroiditis markers, lymph nodes on side of neck shrink, blood counts improve, etc.

I've also found fish oil to be a strong aid against this disease. Are you supplementing with omega3s? Another recommended supp is high dose D3.

I take 125mcg T4 + 12.5mcg T3 currently.

For most ppl, returning TSH into optimal range (1-1.5) provides already of a big improvement. But for me, the inflammatory process is severe enough a suppressed TSH of 0 is not enough. That means I need to manage it through diet and supp no matter hormone replacement.

Do you suffer from graves disease, bizzaro?

[AKD_FitChick]

[QUOTE=bizzarro;7298423]

That's a lot of hormones. If you need to keep TSH that low in order to feel better, you already know you can't go back at this point, especially since everything else seems on point.

I know it's hard, I am finally with a good dr. too that listens to how I feel and not to where my ranges are. Its nice after all these years.

I don't have such strong reactions but I've been off gluten for three years by now, it improved some symptoms, and should help with autoimmunity.

You got tested for coeliac disease I guess? Ever run a small intestine biopsy?

Yeah, my reactions started simple 7 years ago, but about 4 years ago they go incredibly worse. Activated charcoal became my best friend if an accident gluten consumption ever happened. I have been tested for celiac, years ago, my new dr. wants to test me again just to be safe. She says my system is one that stumps her. My gut does some funky stuff at times. I was on Tirosint for awhile and out of the blue my body just started rejecting it. I have to be on all GF medications too so that makes them expensive. Gluten is in EVERYTHING. I have finally mastered being 100% GF, but it took some time. If you eat clean, you shouldn't have GF, I do use products that have it as well.

Do you know your Iron and B12 status? I need IM B12 because levels will stay low no matter oral supp. Iron, I've been supplementing for three years by now and my stores are still borderline low.

I get weekly injections of of B12/B6/B9/B3, its a compound. I also get Vitamin IV pushes every other week to keep my immune system up. I have a weak immune system due to all this stuff. I used to be anemic, I am no longer.

The thyroid can't attack the adrenals directly but can mess with the HPA axis. Is your hypocortisolism central (ie. low ACTH) or primary? Ever tested for addison disease?

Not that I know of.

High T for a woman can be a great thing to have, if it's not giving you any issue, androgen-charged women are the best imo.

What is the reason for hypogonadism? Heck you sound like you got polyglandular endocrine syndrome. Anyone else in your family with same condition(s)?

I'm diagnosed low T too.

I personally love it too. It's been a joke between my family and friends for years, that I look all woman, but my personality is all man. Without saying too much I think it explains why I have no quit when lifting. Being on hormones isn't always easy. I take them at night, so I can sleep well as well. Part of my cortisol spiking at night I get woken up and don't have the best sleep. progesterone helps aid in that.

You mean thyrotoxicosis? That's bad. Of course the transitory flood of hormones will shut down TSH so you will crush as soon as it ends.

Androgen can play with TBG (thyroxine binding globulin) and that's the major carrier of thyroid hormones around the body. Strong androgens will be especially harsh in that context, but I don't see major issues with low dose orals.

Yes sorry, that is exactly what it was. That was 7 years ago when I first got diagnosed. I saw a 'thyroid' dr. that f*cked me up. I was reacting to the pig synthroid and actually pee'ing myself. My body was not happy. It was the roughest most depressing time of my life. I wanted to die. I went from happy go lucky, to not being able to move, sad, crying. It was such a blow. My normal dr. finally tested me and immediately pulled me off all medications, did a detox, put me on clozapan (spelling) and a few others to help me, then worked on repairing my thyroid. It was the worst time in my life.

Does that dose of D3 put you high enough in range? I hope your salmon is wild caught. I never eat farmed salmon, it's exceedingly polluted.

Selenium is good too, some will argue it's needed for T4->T3 conversion but it's real benefits stem from its strong anti-oxidant power.

In the winter I go on 50,000 iu's. I have never actually taken selenium. My dr. said I really dont need it cause of the way I eat. I ALWAYS eat wild salmon (I am from a state originally where if you are caught eating farm fish, you are looked down upon).

I'll get extremely sluggish and depressed if I don't eat clean. Unfortunately, our systems can't handle junk food like anyone else. If our lives had a soundtrack, it would be "O Fortuna" by Carl Orff.

I just dont' crave anything bad for me. Its so weird. I don't want junk cause I know how it makes me feel. Awful. To be honest, in a lot of ways I feel lucky it makes me feel like such shit, cause it keeps me clean and healthy. I dont put toxins into my body at all. If it's not green or grows from the ground, or from an animal, I dont' eat it.

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y lymph nodes went crazy swollen and tender in April. Thing is, I had run out of omega 3s and didn't care to order more, in a couple weeks my thyroiditis flared up like no tomorrow, you wouldn't believe but no matter I was and still lacking any hunger yet having a bad diet this resulted in a sudden 20lbs fat gain... then started pinning some Tren in early May, not feeling spectacular from it but the lymph nodes regressed back to normal in a week. Of course also stocked enough fish oil for the summer.

Now I need to diet to lose all that fat.

You will loose it. It's a battle I know. All it takes is not eating bad for a little bit. Have you ever teetered at points going hyper? I know when all my levels are great, my body is great.

You seriously are way knowledgeable about this. I thought I was good, but you are really good. I would love to learn more. It's so hard for me sometimes, cause I swear every time I go in there is a new thing wrong with me. My whole thyroid/adrenals/leaky gut part is all messed up, but I keep a smile on my face and keep plugging through. It's not always easy, but it's my body. If it's the only thing wrong, I feel lucky. Although at points people dont' get it, how bad it really can be. They think oh maybe its easy, but what they don't realize is that everyone is different. Someone on much lower doses, might not be hit as hard as say you and I.

Any insight on woman with our problems and steroids ?

TRULY THANK YOU! For taking the time to write with me. I am intrigued by your knowledge. I want to feel my best always.

[AKD_FitChick]

Do you suffer from graves disease, bizzaro?

If he has hashi, he doesn't suffer graves. Graves is hyper autoimmune. Hashi is hypo autoimmune. Either are rough sadly


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[GirlyGymRat]

So far I love it!! I'm only doing one dose a day and I like how much energy I have that lasts through without it feeling like overstimulation! Definitely makes me not want to go back to the clen haha


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I can only tolerate once daily! And I use only 18 mg in my dosing.

[hammerheart]

I know it's hard, I am finally with a good dr. too that listens to how I feel and not to where my ranges are. Its nice after all these years.

Yeah, my reactions started simple 7 years ago, but about 4 years ago they go incredibly worse. Activated charcoal became my best friend if an accident gluten consumption ever happened. I have been tested for celiac, years ago, my new dr. wants to test me again just to be safe. She says my system is one that stumps her. My gut does some funky stuff at times. I was on Tirosint for awhile and out of the blue my body just started rejecting it. I have to be on all GF medications too so that makes them expensive. Gluten is in EVERYTHING. I have finally mastered being 100% GF, but it took some time. If you eat clean, you shouldn't have GF, I do use products that have it as well.

I get weekly injections of of B12/B6/B9/B3, its a compound. I also get Vitamin IV pushes every other week to keep my immune system up. I have a weak immune system due to all this stuff. I used to be anemic, I am no longer.

Not that I know of.

Sometimes our bodies functioning can baffle the standard way docs interpret it. The easiest and obv answer is to dismiss symptoms as psychogenic. It is great you have found a good doc though. So many don't.

I used to have an hemoglobin of 12 and hematocrit of 37%.

GF diet can be stimulating because it forces you to try new stuff. Don't stick to "GF bread" or "GF pizza". Seek new recipes and alternatives. Stay creative. (Don't ask me any recipe though, I'm a very lousy cook).

I personally love it too. It's been a joke between my family and friends for years, that I look all woman, but my personality is all man. Without saying too much I think it explains why I have no quit when lifting. Being on hormones isn't always easy. I take them at night, so I can sleep well as well. Part of my cortisol spiking at night I get woken up and don't have the best sleep. progesterone helps aid in that.

I love progesterone too. I'll always have a progestin with my TRT. It makes me feel human, and balances many sides from Test.

My TRT has been almost a failure so far (three years on) so I understand how hard it can be at times.

Yes sorry, that is exactly what it was. That was 7 years ago when I first got diagnosed. I saw a 'thyroid' dr. that f*cked me up. I was reacting to the pig synthroid and actually pee'ing myself. My body was not happy. It was the roughest most depressing time of my life. I wanted to die. I went from happy go lucky, to not being able to move, sad, crying. It was such a blow. My normal dr. finally tested me and immediately pulled me off all medications, did a detox, put me on clozapan (spelling) and a few others to help me, then worked on repairing my thyroid. It was the worst time in my life.

Oh, I can share a similar experience. My first approach with thyroid meds and TRT were a disaster.

I was first prescribed T4. I was having some bad anxiety going on already from low T and though a small dose of 25mcg it made it incredibly worse - I was in a persistent state of panic and had palpitations 24/24. Was subsequently prescribed lorazepam but never took it.

TRT, I went on gel first and it didn't just work for me. I became more and more lethargic and without me even noticing from how down I was both food and water intake were reduced to the point of starvation. Got severely dehydrated, almost died from it. Couldn't barely sit on a chair. Weight was down to 120lbs and my urine looked almost black. That, was the worst of my life has offered thus far. I never really completely recovered, I just don't feel the same.

Clozapine... not sure why you would have needed it. It's a pretty harsh drug. Because of the above, I was actually prescribed a GI prokinetic along an antidepressant I never took because I believe it doesn't suit me. I tried the other once though, it happens to have a pharmacological profile similar to clozapine, though of much lesser potency, but even a small dose of this gave me bad neurological sides. After that point, I just went on my very own...

In the winter I go on 50,000 iu's. I have never actually taken selenium. My dr. said I really dont need it cause of the way I eat. I ALWAYS eat wild salmon (I am from a state originally where if you are caught eating farm fish, you are looked down upon).

I just dont' crave anything bad for me. Its so weird. I don't want junk cause I know how it makes me feel. Awful. To be honest, in a lot of ways I feel lucky it makes me feel like such shit, cause it keeps me clean and healthy. I dont put toxins into my body at all. If it's not green or grows from the ground, or from an animal, I dont' eat it.

Were I'm from (Italy) wild salmon isn't available at all. And even if labeled as such, it's probably fake, and very expensive.

It's not weird. It's natural. It's a basic survival principle. Animals wouldn't eat something they know it will hurt them.

You will loose it. It's a battle I know. All it takes is not eating bad for a little bit. Have you ever teetered at points going hyper? I know when all my levels are great, my body is great.

Thank you, will see if I can take some pic and open a log.

It happened to me to feel hyper at some point after an oral Iodine load (as simple as some white fish), followed by a down, which is consistent with a transitory hyper state. I tested during the down, and FT3 levels came very low on the interval. I just avoid Iodine supps and white fish now.

You seriously are way knowledgeable about this. I thought I was good, but you are really good. I would love to learn more. It's so hard for me sometimes, cause I swear every time I go in there is a new thing wrong with me. My whole thyroid/adrenals/leaky gut part is all messed up, but I keep a smile on my face and keep plugging through. It's not always easy, but it's my body. If it's the only thing wrong, I feel lucky. Although at points people dont' get it, how bad it really can be. They think oh maybe its easy, but what they don't realize is that everyone is different. Someone on much lower doses, might not be hit as hard as say you and I.

Any insight on woman with our problems and steroids ?

TRULY THANK YOU! For taking the time to write with me. I am intrigued by your knowledge. I want to feel my best always.

Thank you again.

The problem with endocrine dysfunctions is everything is ultimately connected. If one element is off, it threws the whole off balance.

Most ppl and doc too wouldn't be able to understand unless they go thelmselves through it.

I'm not into women (ok it doesn't sound the way I mean it) but I don't see AAS as being a problem there. Probably, more of a ******* aid, especially when asthenia is prominent. Androgens can also somewhat regulate GI flora so that men have less issues there, in general.

Were I able to get a gal, I would do lot of experimenting on her...


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