Deca/Test cyp/Dbol/winny

[Ketpain]

Test cyp 500
Deca 250
Dbol 25
Winny 50

15 week cycle

3 days after 6th week.

Start weight is 175 now 190.

Wondering what I should be expecting from this and if I'm on the right track.

I'm thinking my expectations are a little outta whack. Wanted 200 or 205 for this cycle and I wanna stay realistic.

[Jangles1]

what number cycle is this ?
what are your goals (bulk or cut)?
height ?
age?

I think the Decca needs to go to 400mg a week. Standard Dbol is 30mg. Winny looks right dosage wise.

This is going off all the classic Test, Decca, Dbol plans I have seen, particularly in 'William Llewellyn's ANABOLICS'


Check out his layout here. The Decca run time is short and goes against everything ive ever read on forums (12 - 14 weeks minimum for Decca, but this guy is super smart and its in his book. 90% of his cycles goes against anything people say on the forum)

[Jangles1]

Here is another 'FIRST TIME USER' of Decca layout

'The cycle:

OK, lets set up a cycle for a first time user of these compounds combined. Keep in mind this isn’t a beginners cycle and stacking multiple compounds that you haven’t used in the same cycle may cause side effect and leave you wondering what the source of the issue was.


Testosterone Enanthate 300mg 1-12

Deca 200mg twice a week Week 1-12

Dbol 30-50mg a day Week 1-6

HCG 500iu a week (250iu twice a week) Week 1-15


PCT starts three weeks after final injection of deca 2 weeks after last test injection

Clomid 100/50/50/50
Nolva 40/40/20/20'

[Ketpain]

It's my first cycle.
Height 5'7"
Weight 187 in the morning after piss.
Age 23
Lean Bulk

It's too late to change any of the dosages

Getting bloodwork done soon to see if everything is legit or not. Strength has gone up without a doubt, beyond any placebo effect.

[Jangles1]

1 - too young
2 - 4 compounds on you first cycle including Decca


Madness

- What AI and Caber does are you running ?
- what liver and oral supports are you running ?
- what weeeks are you doing the D-Bol and Winny ?
- what hCG Dose are your running?

You need to smarten up a bit. Ridiculous running this cycle as your first.


I’m on my first cycle and as of this morning (week 8) I’ve put on 19.3lbs with no visable fat or massive water retention. Test E 500 and Tbol (5 weeks in so far).

You’re ruining all your future cycles now by using compounds that would help you later on when your gains stall on test alone.

Your body would grow just as well without the Decca and next time when you need more advance compounds, your body won’t utilise them as well as you have used them already.

“Probably” a good idea to drop the Decca and Winny before you go too far gone.

[Capebuffalo]

First cycle is test only. Drop everything but test and save for later. If you have sides you have no idea what compound is causing them. Where is your ai and hcg ?

[Ketpain]

I'm off Dbol now since yesterday. And I can take out the winny since it's at the end of my cycle. But deca and test are here to stay. It's too far in. But no sides. I have arimidex and a pct set up for after cycle. Nolva, Clomid, aromasin

[ScotchGuard02]

If you're not going to listen to advice. What are you expecting?

[Jangles1]

I'm off Dbol now since yesterday. And I can take out the winny since it's at the end of my cycle. But deca and test are here to stay. It's too far in. But no sides. I have arimidex and a pct set up for after cycle. Nolva, Clomid, aromasin

Why not drop it and save it for Cycle 2 when your body will need it more to grow? You are only doing your gains an injustice. The Decca is doing nothing more than Test alone will. Waste of time + affecting your future cycle gains and health / sides.

What dose Caber, if any are you running to manage prolactin and your libido (aka Decca Dick) ?

You never answered about Oral protection either, so I am going to assume you're not even protecting your liver, blood pressure and other things that need to be addressed when doing orals.....

[Ketpain]

I'm not using any Caber. I'm unaware of that term. Like I said no sides. No deca dick no libido change. Erections are fine. Feel like a normal dude. Need to get bloodwork done.

Only "side" I've had was the Dbol back pump. Drank more water and took some taurine and it went away.

[Ketpain]

If you're not going to listen to advice. What are you expecting?

Willing to take advice. I'm dropping the winny. On your guys advice.

My post was to ask about what to expect from weight gains not dosing or advice..

[Jangles1]

Wow

You need to do some research more about prolactin and how important it is to use Caber or Prommy when doing 19nor steroids .

Quite simply you are half arsing this and not respecting AAS at all. You're going to do yourself serious damage.

How people can be so disregarding to their health truly baffles me. In the nicest way humanly possible, give your head a wobble and start respecting yourself and at least do the basic research required when taking these compounds.

[Jangles1]

Willing to take advice. I'm dropping the winny. On your guys advice.

My post was to ask about what to expect from weight gains not dosing or advice..

Clearly not. You dont have a clue what you're doing man.

No oral support and no prolactin support.

'My post was to ask about what to expect from weight gains not dosing or advice..'

15 - 30lbs depending on your body's base, diet and training. The same as with Test alone.

People here want to help you man. At the very least, you're harming yourself by not running Caber and Oral support.

[Capebuffalo]

Armidex is run during cycle. So is hcg .

As for you question yes your expectations are a bit high.

Good luck. I’m out.

[Ketpain]

Alright thanks for the input guys.

Will read into hcg and Caber.

And I'm running oral support and arimidex since day 1

[Capebuffalo]

Alright thanks for the input guys.

Will read into hcg and Caber.

And I'm running oral support and arimidex since day 1

Caber is only to have on hand in case it’s needed. Hcg needs to be run though through the cycle.

Drop the deca .

[hollowedzeus]

Wow

You need to do some research more about prolactin and how important it is to use Caber or Prommy when doing 19nor steroids .

Quite simply you are half arsing this and not respecting AAS at all. You're going to do yourself serious damage.

How people can be so disregarding to their health truly baffles me. In the nicest way humanly possible, give your head a wobble and start respecting yourself and at least do the basic research required when taking these compounds.

People have said this to you. Js.

[Capebuffalo]

People have said this to you. Js.

I didn’t have the heart to point it out to him. Lol

[hollowedzeus]

I didn’t have the heart to point it out to him. Lol

Im a heartless bastard. The deed is done sire.

[Jangles1]

People have said this to you. Js.

haha, fair comment and expected.... However, this is different. Adding Test P to an underdosed Test E cycle with Estogen levels stable + bloods to hand is not dangerous. This guys running 4 compounds including a 19nor on his first cycle and hasn't even done enough research on Decca to find out about Caber. Totally different.


PS - I must have picked up that term from here as ive never used it before. Its class 'give your head a wobble' lol

[kelkel]

Just don't run any more orals this cycle.
Get your BW done and be sure you check the correct items.
It is over-kill for a first cycle but you'll be fine.
Run your test a little longer than your deca . Deca @250mgs is just en elevated therapeutic dose.
The guys here have your best interest at heart. Understand that.

Who instructed you to run this?

[Ketpain]

Yeah I'm anxious to get my BW done.

Yeah. Another 3 weeks and my deca is done. With another 9 weeks of test so deca should be fine.

No one instructed me. My supplier said that a test only would be fine but this would be more powerful but wouldn't hurt.

He gets his stuff from his chemist and does this for a living

[kelkel]

Well, like the guys above said, next time keep it more simple and learn what each item does for you.

Good luck and let us know how things work out for you.

[Ketpain]

Will do!

[kronik420]

Yeah I'm anxious to get my BW done.

Yeah. Another 3 weeks and my deca is done. With another 9 weeks of test so deca should be fine.

No one instructed me. My supplier said that a test only would be fine but this would be more powerful but wouldn't hurt.

He gets his stuff from his chemist and does this for a living

never take cycle advice from your supplier, more than likely he's just trying to sell what gear he is overstocked in..

[sumpm1]

To the OP: Yes this is a strange first cycle, so many compounds, most people just do test first time around to get a feel for this baseline. People are discussing prolactin in regards to your deca use. But at 200mg I would not be all worried about prolactin at that low dose.