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    Shredding Cycle starting next week. Need advice for more seasoned users

    I would like your educated/experienced/creative opinions on the stack I am about to run.

    Stats:
    25
    5'6
    183 lbs.
    I'm guessing 10% BF
    Been on TRT for 3 years, and have multiple blasting experience.

    I just completed the following cycle:
    Week 1-8 Test Cyp 400mg
    Week 1-8 Deca 300mg per week
    Week 1-16 EQ 500mg per week
    Week 8-16 Test Prop 250mg
    Week 8-16 NPP 250mg
    Week 8-16 Anavar 50mg mer day
    T-3 Daily at 50mcg

    I definitely did a night and day recomp. Gained alot of solid mass / insane strength gains / dropped a ton of BF.

    I was already satisfied with this cut for this year.....but something in me is telling me to take it further, just a little bit, and really drop down to legitimate 6-7% BF while improving strength. (Don't even try to tell me that its no possibly to do both. I've done it, ive overseen many others do it...if you have a good grasp on training/nutrition/programming, its 100% doable.....with the right gear support of course)

    So, i know its already been a 16 week moderate dose blast, but I think my body can handle another 6 weeks no problem. I am feeling healthy.
    So here is my 6 week shredding cycle plan:

    Weeks 1-6 Test Prop 350mg (100 EOD)
    Weeks 1-6 Tren Ace 350mg (100 EOD)
    Weeks 1-6 Anastrazole .5mg EOD
    Weeks 1-6 T-3 @ 60mcg daily
    Weeks 3-6 100mg Anavar per day
    Weeks 5-6 100mcg Clebuterol daily
    Weeks 1-6 Mod GRF (1-29) 100mcg 3x daily Subq
    Weeks 1-6 Ipamorelin 100mcg 3x daily Subq

    What do you guys think?
    My personal points of worry are:
    1. Will the reduced overall Dose of AAS going from the last blast into this one cause and reduction in gains made so far? Or does a 350mg tren dose easily displace a 500mg eq, 250mg NPP, and 50mg/day Anavar dose?
    2. Will the addition of the GH peptides augment the cycle enough to make up for the lack of eq and npp.
    3. Is 100mg Anavar daily safe? Especially since just having run ANAVAR @ 50MG/daily for 8 weeks about a month prior. Does the liver need more time away from orals before it can handle 100mg anavar a day for 3 weeks?
    4. I am not running prami because it has really shitty sides for me. Caber i don't have expeirence with. But if i am managing estro with AI, do i really need to worry about anti-prolactin on a 350mg Tren cycle? Is .5mg AI EOD enough to fully control estro on 350mg per week Test Prop.

    LMK if there are any other potential issues I am not seeing here.

    Thx

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    How much AI did you use during your 16 week blast?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cupid View Post
    I would like your educated/experienced/creative opinions on the stack I am about to run.

    Stats:
    25
    5'6
    183 lbs.
    I'm guessing 10% BF
    Been on TRT for 3 years, and have multiple blasting experience.

    I just completed the following cycle:
    Week 1-8 Test Cyp 400mg
    Week 1-8 Deca 300mg per week
    Week 1-16 EQ 500mg per week
    Week 8-16 Test Prop 250mg
    Week 8-16 NPP 250mg
    Week 8-16 Anavar 50mg mer day
    T-3 Daily at 50mcg

    I definitely did a night and day recomp. Gained alot of solid mass / insane strength gains / dropped a ton of BF.

    I was already satisfied with this cut for this year.....but something in me is telling me to take it further, just a little bit, and really drop down to legitimate 6-7% BF while improving strength. (Don't even try to tell me that its no possibly to do both. I've done it, ive overseen many others do it...if you have a good grasp on training/nutrition/programming, its 100% doable.....with the right gear support of course)

    So, i know its already been a 16 week moderate dose blast, but I think my body can handle another 6 weeks no problem. I am feeling healthy.
    So here is my 6 week shredding cycle plan:

    Weeks 1-6 Test Prop 350mg (100 EOD)
    Weeks 1-6 Tren Ace 350mg (100 EOD)
    Weeks 1-6 Anastrazole .5mg EOD
    Weeks 1-6 T-3 @ 60mcg daily
    Weeks 3-6 100mg Anavar per day
    Weeks 5-6 100mcg Clebuterol daily
    Weeks 1-6 Mod GRF (1-29) 100mcg 3x daily Subq
    Weeks 1-6 Ipamorelin 100mcg 3x daily Subq

    What do you guys think?
    My personal points of worry are:
    1. Will the reduced overall Dose of AAS going from the last blast into this one cause and reduction in gains made so far? Or does a 350mg tren dose easily displace a 500mg eq, 250mg NPP, and 50mg/day Anavar dose?
    2. Will the addition of the GH peptides augment the cycle enough to make up for the lack of eq and npp.
    3. Is 100mg Anavar daily safe? Especially since just having run ANAVAR @ 50MG/daily for 8 weeks about a month prior. Does the liver need more time away from orals before it can handle 100mg anavar a day for 3 weeks?
    4. I am not running prami because it has really shitty sides for me. Caber i don't have expeirence with. But if i am managing estro with AI, do i really need to worry about anti-prolactin on a 350mg Tren cycle? Is .5mg AI EOD enough to fully control estro on 350mg per week Test Prop.

    LMK if there are any other potential issues I am not seeing here.

    Thx
    Looks good to me. Have you done any mid cycle bloods, are you planning on getting blood post cycle once your settled back into your TRT protocol?

    1. Will the reduced overall Dose of AAS going from the last blast into this one cause and reduction in gains made so far? Or does a 350mg tren dose easily displace a 500mg eq, 250mg NPP, and 50mg/day Anavar dose? No, not in any way what so ever. With this gear you are still at the high end, consider the anabolic ratio of tren as well

    2. Will the addition of the GH peptides augment the cycle enough to make up for the lack of eq and npp. They will help, but you’re not lacking in anything… you seem way too concerned in losing your gains despite the fact your still going to be using drugs. Remove that from your mind, that will not happen.

    3. Is 100mg Anavar daily safe? Especially since just having run ANAVAR @ 50MG/daily for 8 weeks about a month prior. Does the liver need more time away from orals before it can handle 100mg anavar a day for 3 weeks? Personally I couldn’t see a difference between the two, I have ran 100 and I have ran 50, go for 75 if you want to hover around the higher end, otherwise stay at 50, this is more than sufficient. I would extend the length of time on the var and decrease the dose… Regarding your liver, you should have gotten mid cycle bloods if you were worried, it’s not recommended to run orals for long periods of time, but a lot of guys do and they don’t have issues, it’s your call.

    4. I am not running prami because it has really shitty sides for me. Caber I don't have experience with. But if i am managing estro with AI, do i really need to worry about anti-prolactin on a 350mg Tren cycle? Is .5mg AI EOD enough to fully control estro on 350mg per week Test Prop. Yes you do need to worry about it, prolactin can still hit you regardless of how you manage the other areas of this cycle, I would highly recommend caber, I have experienced high levels of prolactin and it’s not fun… Use it and avoid having the problem than getting it and then dealing with it.. .

    You are very worried about losing size, naturally when you cut you can metabolise muscle but if your diet is on point and your deficit isn’t drastic then you won’t lose muscle, you are still sitting in super physiological levels, you should be worrying more about your health not losing muscle.. to put things in perspective at your weight you can maintain what you gained on 150mg test per week no problem providing that the training and nutrition is there… that would be the high end of TRT. Look at guys like Seth Feroce, he maintains his size on a normal TRT dose…

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cupid View Post
    I would like your educated/experienced/creative opinions on the stack I am about to run.

    Stats:
    25
    5'6
    183 lbs.
    I'm guessing 10% BF
    Been on TRT for 3 years, and have multiple blasting experience.

    I just completed the following cycle:
    Week 1-8 Test Cyp 400mg
    Week 1-8 Deca 300mg per week
    Week 1-16 EQ 500mg per week
    Week 8-16 Test Prop 250mg
    Week 8-16 NPP 250mg
    Week 8-16 Anavar 50mg mer day
    T-3 Daily at 50mcg

    I definitely did a night and day recomp. Gained alot of solid mass / insane strength gains / dropped a ton of BF.

    I was already satisfied with this cut for this year.....but something in me is telling me to take it further, just a little bit, and really drop down to legitimate 6-7% BF while improving strength. (Don't even try to tell me that its no possibly to do both. I've done it, ive overseen many others do it...if you have a good grasp on training/nutrition/programming, its 100% doable.....with the right gear support of course)

    So, i know its already been a 16 week moderate dose blast, but I think my body can handle another 6 weeks no problem. I am feeling healthy.
    So here is my 6 week shredding cycle plan:

    Weeks 1-6 Test Prop 350mg (100 EOD)
    Weeks 1-6 Tren Ace 350mg (100 EOD)
    Weeks 1-6 Anastrazole .5mg EOD
    Weeks 1-6 T-3 @ 60mcg daily
    Weeks 3-6 100mg Anavar per day
    Weeks 5-6 100mcg Clebuterol daily
    Weeks 1-6 Mod GRF (1-29) 100mcg 3x daily Subq
    Weeks 1-6 Ipamorelin 100mcg 3x daily Subq

    What do you guys think?
    My personal points of worry are:
    1. Will the reduced overall Dose of AAS going from the last blast into this one cause and reduction in gains made so far? Or does a 350mg tren dose easily displace a 500mg eq, 250mg NPP, and 50mg/day Anavar dose?
    2. Will the addition of the GH peptides augment the cycle enough to make up for the lack of eq and npp.
    3. Is 100mg Anavar daily safe? Especially since just having run ANAVAR @ 50MG/daily for 8 weeks about a month prior. Does the liver need more time away from orals before it can handle 100mg anavar a day for 3 weeks?
    4. I am not running prami because it has really shitty sides for me. Caber i don't have expeirence with. But if i am managing estro with AI, do i really need to worry about anti-prolactin on a 350mg Tren cycle? Is .5mg AI EOD enough to fully control estro on 350mg per week Test Prop.

    LMK if there are any other potential issues I am not seeing here.

    Thx
    IMPO you made it too complicated. Cut tren/ mast/ test.
    I think that you may crash your e2 by taking .5 eod of AI at 350 mg test prop.
    Everyone is different however I do not take an AI at those small levels.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cupid View Post
    Been on TRT for 3 years, and have multiple blasting experience.
    What put you on TRT at such a young age? Or does your post basically answer that already?
    I'm also curious what you're doing all this for? What's the goal, just to get cut?
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Deadlifting Dog View Post
    How much AI did you use during your 16 week blast?
    I was using 1mg Arimidex EOD at first....but then i noticed that libido was a little off, so I dropped the AI to .5mg EOD and it helped.

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    I'd suggest running clen the entire time. It won't do a damn thing for a week. Also, that is too much anavar , the point of cutting is to retain the muscle, you realistically won't put on muscle during a cut, however you can easily retain it and build strength at same time (in my opinion, doing it right now).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eduke93 View Post
    Looks good to me. Have you done any mid cycle bloods, are you planning on getting blood post cycle once your settled back into your TRT protocol?

    1. Will the reduced overall Dose of AAS going from the last blast into this one cause and reduction in gains made so far? Or does a 350mg tren dose easily displace a 500mg eq, 250mg NPP, and 50mg/day Anavar dose? No, not in any way what so ever. With this gear you are still at the high end, consider the anabolic ratio of tren as well

    2. Will the addition of the GH peptides augment the cycle enough to make up for the lack of eq and npp. They will help, but you’re not lacking in anything… you seem way too concerned in losing your gains despite the fact your still going to be using drugs. Remove that from your mind, that will not happen.

    3. Is 100mg Anavar daily safe? Especially since just having run ANAVAR @ 50MG/daily for 8 weeks about a month prior. Does the liver need more time away from orals before it can handle 100mg anavar a day for 3 weeks? Personally I couldn’t see a difference between the two, I have ran 100 and I have ran 50, go for 75 if you want to hover around the higher end, otherwise stay at 50, this is more than sufficient. I would extend the length of time on the var and decrease the dose… Regarding your liver, you should have gotten mid cycle bloods if you were worried, it’s not recommended to run orals for long periods of time, but a lot of guys do and they don’t have issues, it’s your call.

    4. I am not running prami because it has really shitty sides for me. Caber I don't have experience with. But if i am managing estro with AI, do i really need to worry about anti-prolactin on a 350mg Tren cycle? Is .5mg AI EOD enough to fully control estro on 350mg per week Test Prop. Yes you do need to worry about it, prolactin can still hit you regardless of how you manage the other areas of this cycle, I would highly recommend caber, I have experienced high levels of prolactin and it’s not fun… Use it and avoid having the problem than getting it and then dealing with it.. .

    You are very worried about losing size, naturally when you cut you can metabolise muscle but if your diet is on point and your deficit isn’t drastic then you won’t lose muscle, you are still sitting in super physiological levels, you should be worrying more about your health not losing muscle.. to put things in perspective at your weight you can maintain what you gained on 150mg test per week no problem providing that the training and nutrition is there… that would be the high end of TRT. Look at guys like Seth Feroce, he maintains his size on a normal TRT dose…
    Thx my man, that all helped a lot actually.
    Yes I plan on running bloods after.
    Been downing NAC like a horse during the entire cycle for liver protection.
    Its not as much the size I am worried about losing as this insane strength I have now and the overall athletic ability my body has gained. I am just not familiar with my current level thats all. I passed my peak a while ago and have come a drastic way since - My dedication to training and diet has genuinely been 100%, consistently - and I am unfamiliar as to whether my results now are more so a function of the excellent programming and dedication or the high level of gear.......but only one way to find out lol....guess I'm complicating this shit too much.
    How much caber would you run on this stack that I have proposed above? I am unfamiliar with the dosing on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kelkel View Post
    What put you on TRT at such a young age? Or does your post basically answer that already?
    I'm also curious what you're doing all this for? What's the goal, just to get cut?
    What put me on TRT?
    When I was 21ish I did 1 cycle of sustanon for 12 weeks....with HCG the whole time, and PCT - everything by the book.
    3 months post PCT, still shut down - tried another PCT, still didn't work.

    What I didn't take into account at that time was that I was still on a "cut" during the PCT and after, and my macros were shit low....like 220 protein, 150 carb, 50f fat....and it had been an extensive while that I was on a deficit, and already post-cycle.....this may have been the reason why my levels were not bouncing back.

    At the time it had been 6 months that I was in a low testo condition, and the "doctor" who I was seeing for it was at an anti-aging clinic.
    He was (obviously) steering me towards TRT and saying that more than likely its not going to come back to normal.

    My lack of knowledge and experience at the time, combined with having already been shutdown for 6 months and just feeling like shit, and not knowing the potential that my continued shutdown could have been a result of the continued caloric deficit, AND the doctor obviously pushing me towards his financially incentivized outcome - I decided to hop on TRT.

    Fast forward about 1.5 years, I realized that I may have not had to go on at all (or maybe I really did). But at that point, 18 months of being on TRT - the damage was probably already done. I am debating going to another endo to ask his opinion on whether or not its possible to come off now after 3 years. I don't really care about the protocol, only thing that still worries me is fertility. I don't plan on having kids for at least another 5/10 years - if there is a scenario where I can still regain fertility by coming off - I would definitely do it, bank a shitload of sperm, and then go back on.

    On the bright side.....telling my story to a few younger guys who wanted to hop on the gear did actually persuade them to wait or stay away altogether.

    As for what I am doing all this for? Honestly its a good question that I am still trying to figure out the answer to....and the main reason why I am still not 100% sold on this 6 week blast. Alot of the insecurities that led me down the steroid path in the first place are long gone. I am already really strong and look great....I don't make any money off the fitness industry - so I am questioning myself why?
    But part of me is also like - I want to take it one step further and see what I am capable of
    But another part of me says - Maybe I should chill out and maintain/enjoy it now, and then go to the next level in 2019.
    IDK....its a mindfuck sometimes.
    Strength goals are a big driving factor though.
    I want to be able to hit for 3RM:
    OHP - 225 (Current: 200)
    Deadlift - 515 (Current: 465)
    Squat - 435 (Current: 375)
    Front Squat - 405 (Current: 335)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyle1337 View Post
    I'd suggest running clen the entire time. It won't do a damn thing for a week. Also, that is too much anavar, the point of cutting is to retain the muscle, you realistically won't put on muscle during a cut, however you can easily retain it and build strength at same time (in my opinion, doing it right now).
    Clen affects my mood/work efficiency too much. Also, at the loads I am lifting now and the amount of total weekly volume I do - I noticed the weeks that I am on clen I get really sore joints. I may not even run it at all during this last blast.
    I may not run the anavar at all either - depending on how effective the rest of it is. This is my first experience with Tren and Growth peptides so I will see how I feel 3 weeks in.
    Also - I disagree with the notion that you cannot build muscle during a cut. I have done it - and I am definitely not at a newbie level. Constantly increasing total lifting volume while taking in enough protein while not being in too far of a caloric deficit and not overdoing the cardio, while being on enough gear - will still keep you in a positive nitrogen balance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cupid View Post
    What put me on TRT?
    When I was 21ish I did 1 cycle of sustanon for 12 weeks....with HCG the whole time, and PCT - everything by the book.
    3 months post PCT, still shut down - tried another PCT, still didn't work.

    What I didn't take into account at that time was that I was still on a "cut" during the PCT and after, and my macros were shit low....like 220 protein, 150 carb, 50f fat....and it had been an extensive while that I was on a deficit, and already post-cycle.....this may have been the reason why my levels were not bouncing back.

    At the time it had been 6 months that I was in a low testo condition, and the "doctor" who I was seeing for it was at an anti-aging clinic.
    He was (obviously) steering me towards TRT and saying that more than likely its not going to come back to normal.

    My lack of knowledge and experience at the time, combined with having already been shutdown for 6 months and just feeling like shit, and not knowing the potential that my continued shutdown could have been a result of the continued caloric deficit, AND the doctor obviously pushing me towards his financially incentivized outcome - I decided to hop on TRT.

    Fast forward about 1.5 years, I realized that I may have not had to go on at all (or maybe I really did). But at that point, 18 months of being on TRT - the damage was probably already done. I am debating going to another endo to ask his opinion on whether or not its possible to come off now after 3 years. I don't really care about the protocol, only thing that still worries me is fertility. I don't plan on having kids for at least another 5/10 years - if there is a scenario where I can still regain fertility by coming off - I would definitely do it, bank a shitload of sperm, and then go back on.


    On the bright side.....telling my story to a few younger guys who wanted to hop on the gear did actually persuade them to wait or stay away altogether.

    Thank you for relating your story. It very well may help some younger guys here.
    In the meantime, you should be all over HCG.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kelkel View Post
    Thank you for relating your story. It very well may help some younger guys here.
    In the meantime, you should be all over HCG .

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4378070/
    I have been running HCG since I started TRT - with 3 times taking 1 month breaks that I had no choice but to because of $ - HCG is the most expensive part of TRT lol. Now I am financially at a level to stay on HCG non stop. I run 350iu EOD.
    But will running HCG while on TRT for the next decade maintain my fertility? Will I not become desensitized to it after a while? Did those few breaks I had to take during the first couple years do any damage? - all of these questions I don't know the answer to

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cupid View Post
    I have been running HCG since I started TRT - with 3 times taking 1 month breaks that I had no choice but to because of $ - HCG is the most expensive part of TRT lol. Now I am financially at a level to stay on HCG non stop. I run 350iu EOD.
    But will running HCG while on TRT for the next decade maintain my fertility? Will I not become desensitized to it after a while? Did those few breaks I had to take during the first couple years do any damage? - all of these questions I don't know the answer to
    HCG is extremely inexpensive. 350IU EOD is too much IMO, maybe that's why it's expensive! But really, find a better source it is really cheap. Better late than never on the HCG though, those small breaks won't hurt at all. I have also read on here somewhere that you won't get desensitized, but I can't recall the full details why. I actually think kelkel posted it at one time... He will chime in.

    Also on the building muscle, I didn't fully say it was impossible, just unrealistic (because everything has to be perfect and tons of gear as you said). I am on alot of gear right now can't comment if I gained any muscle but sure don't look like I lost any.

    80mcg clen ED
    80 mcg t3 ED
    50mg tren a EOD
    100mg Test C EOD
    100mg mast P EOD
    50mg EQ EOD
    40mg Var ED
    25mg Winny
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    I wish there were a delete button (probably is and Im just dumb)

    But 5'6, 183 lbs, 10% BF is impressive imo. Why are you trying to shred at 10% BF? You gotta competition coming up or something? 10% seems like a good place, why get into single digits?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyle1337 View Post
    HCG is extremely inexpensive. 350IU EOD is too much IMO, maybe that's why it's expensive! But really, find a better source it is really cheap. Better late than never on the HCG though, those small breaks won't hurt at all. I have also read on here somewhere that you won't get desensitized, but I can't recall the full details why. I actually think kelkel posted it at one time... He will chime in.

    Also on the building muscle, I didn't fully say it was impossible, just unrealistic (because everything has to be perfect and tons of gear as you said). I am on alot of gear right now can't comment if I gained any muscle but sure don't look like I lost any.

    80mcg clen ED
    80 mcg t3 ED
    50mg tren a EOD
    100mg Test C EOD
    100mg mast P EOD
    50mg EQ EOD
    40mg Var ED
    25mg Winny
    Well my logic on the 350iu HCG is two fold:
    1 - I am prescribed it. 10000iu bottles. Costs about $100 each from the pharmacy i frequent. From what I have read, once the water has been combined with the lyophilized solution, even in darkness and in fridge, that shit starts losing potency after 2 months. So 350iu EOD puts me somewhere around 1200iu per week x 8 weeks = approx whole bottle. That way i finish each one before the potency loss starts.
    2 - I have done 250 iu EOD, and personally, at that dose, I don't like my testicle size or my ejaculate volume - i know this sounds childish....but small testicle size and low ejaculate volume is noticeable to most experienced girls, and I usually prefer not to be questioned about it. 350iu gets me closer to where I was pre TRT

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cupid View Post
    Well my logic on the 350iu HCG is two fold:
    1 - I am prescribed it. 10000iu bottles. Costs about $100 each from the pharmacy i frequent. From what I have read, once the water has been combined with the lyophilized solution, even in darkness and in fridge, that shit starts losing potency after 2 months. So 350iu EOD puts me somewhere around 1200iu per week x 8 weeks = approx whole bottle. That way i finish each one before the potency loss starts.
    2 - I have done 250 iu EOD, and personally, at that dose, I don't like my testicle size or my ejaculate volume - i know this sounds childish....but small testicle size and low ejaculate volume is noticeable to most experienced girls, and I usually prefer not to be questioned about it. 350iu gets me closer to where I was pre TRT
    Just how experienced are these girls you are sleeping with?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cupid View Post
    Well my logic on the 350iu HCG is two fold:
    1 - I am prescribed it. 10000iu bottles. Costs about $100 each from the pharmacy i frequent. From what I have read, once the water has been combined with the lyophilized solution, even in darkness and in fridge, that shit starts losing potency after 2 months. So 350iu EOD puts me somewhere around 1200iu per week x 8 weeks = approx whole bottle. That way i finish each one before the potency loss starts.
    2 - I have done 250 iu EOD, and personally, at that dose, I don't like my testicle size or my ejaculate volume - i know this sounds childish....but small testicle size and low ejaculate volume is noticeable to most experienced girls, and I usually prefer not to be questioned about it. 350iu gets me closer to where I was pre TRT
    $100? Damn, source it yourself much cheaper.
    HCG won't lose potency until about 90 days or so. Even then it's a slow progression. It's not like someone is flipping a switch. I use all mine for 90 days.
    Testical size and ejaculate volume? Who's measuring? Factoring in cold days, excessive use, etc?
    And who would question you? Seriously.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kelkel View Post
    $100? Damn, source it yourself much cheaper.
    HCG won't lose potency until about 90 days or so. Even then it's a slow progression. It's not like someone is flipping a switch. I use all mine for 90 days.
    Testical size and ejaculate volume? Who's measuring? Factoring in cold days, excessive use, etc?
    And who would question you? Seriously.
    Can I ask how much HCG you personally dose or would recommend I dose?

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    Thx my man, that all helped a lot actually.
    Yes I plan on running bloods after.
    Been downing NAC like a horse during the entire cycle for liver protection.
    Its not as much the size I am worried about losing as this insane strength I have now and the overall athletic ability my body has gained. I am just not familiar with my current level thats all. I passed my peak a while ago and have come a drastic way since - My dedication to training and diet has genuinely been 100%, consistently - and I am unfamiliar as to whether my results now are more so a function of the excellent programming and dedication or the high level of gear.......but only one way to find out lol....guess I'm complicating this shit too much.
    How much caber would you run on this stack that I have proposed above? I am unfamiliar with the dosing on it.
    Good stuff.

    You’ll maintain your strength whilst using the tren , when you come off is when you will lose some of the strength, that just a fact you have to face unfortunately. It’s not to say you’ll lose all your strength because you won’t, but you will lose some.

    Good, that’s good to hear a lot of people are real up on down on their training and nutrition, it will be a mixture of everything, no need to add more drugs or up drugs, use what your body needs and as you your response starts to slow down then you can think about playing with dosages and other compounds.

    Start with .25 mg 2x per week, if you start you experience prolactin issues then bump it up to .5mg 2x per week, personally .5mg 2x per week when running 19nors works perfect for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cupid View Post
    Can I ask how much HCG you personally dose or would recommend I dose?
    250 iu's x 2 pw is my normal dose. TRT or cycle it doesn't change.
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    Do you ever get bloodwork done? This isn't your first cycle and you are asking opinions on AI dosing. To answer one of your questions, YES, 100mg of Anavar is insane with 350 tren right after a 50MG anavar run. Its your body man. If you were to run bloods under that dosing protocol your lipids would look like an MC Escher painting, and who the fuck knows what your himocratic is at after that last blast with the EQ.

    And whats with the T3 in with that bulking protocol.

    If you are going to YOLO blast all year long like this, stick with injectables, the orals just thrash your lipids, and they don't come back until you come off. and it looks like you don't come off.
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    Alright, good stuff guys.
    Your responses have all been very helpful.
    I am going to remove a few things and adjust to the following:

    Weeks 1-6 Test Prop 350mg (100 EOD)
    Weeks 1-6 Tren Ace 350mg (100 EOD)
    Weeks 1-6 Anastrazole .25mg EOD
    Weeks 1-6 T-3 @ 50mcg daily
    Weeks 1-6 Mod GRF (1-29) 100mcg 3x daily Subq
    Weeks 1-6 Ipamorelin 100mcg 3x daily Subq
    HCG @ 250iu EOD
    Caber @ .25mg 2x per week

    Removing the Var & Clen entirely
    Reducing AI and HCG.
    I might even drop the Prop to 50mg EOD.....Ill see how I feel a couple weeks in

    Thx for the help

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mox_Ruby View Post
    Do you ever get bloodwork done? This isn't your first cycle and you are asking opinions on AI dosing. To answer one of your questions, YES, 100mg of Anavar is insane with 350 tren right after a 50MG anavar run. Its your body man. If you were to run bloods under that dosing protocol your lipids would look like an MC Escher painting, and who the fuck knows what your himocratic is at after that last blast with the EQ.

    And whats with the T3 in with that bulking protocol.

    If you are going to YOLO blast all year long like this, stick with injectables, the orals just thrash your lipids, and they don't come back until you come off. and it looks like you don't come off.
    Yes I do get BW......but have only done so in the past when i used Test Cyp in varios dosages and I was....by my current standards....fat. I assume the massive reduction in adipose tissue since that time probably results in way less conversion than I used to have....also, I am unsure if there is a difference in coversion between Prop and Cyp.
    I plan to get BW 3 weeks into this one to get a better guage for where I am at now.

    However....based on the responses of this thread....I have decided to reduce AI. And I am not going to run the Anavar this time. I'll save it for a future blast once liver values and cholesterol values are confirmed to be back at baseline.

    I have donated blood every 2 months since the beginning of this year. I am up for another one I believe next week. This has been my best defense against hematocrit.

    That was not a bulking protocol believe it or not....it was a very slow slow slowwww cut. Barely was in a deficit....Put all my focus on increasing volume via sets and loads.....ended up being a total recomp. Put on a ton of mass while dropping a ton of fat. Changed my entire opinion on what is possible for the human body to do with the right programming and right gear.

    And I see your point about the "looks like you don't come off". I am aware that I am pushing the edge this year and I do plan to reduce after this last 6 week push.
    Once done, I will drop to:

    150mg Test Cyp per week
    100mg Deca per week
    Mod GRF (1-29) 200mcg before bed daily
    250iu HCG EOD

    Probably will stay at that for remainder of the year. Do you think that is a wise plan?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cupid View Post
    Yes I do get BW......but have only done so in the past when i used Test Cyp in varios dosages and I was....by my current standards....fat. I assume the massive reduction in adipose tissue since that time probably results in way less conversion than I used to have....also, I am unsure if there is a difference in coversion between Prop and Cyp.
    I plan to get BW 3 weeks into this one to get a better guage for where I am at now.

    However....based on the responses of this thread....I have decided to reduce AI. And I am not going to run the Anavar this time. I'll save it for a future blast once liver values and cholesterol values are confirmed to be back at baseline.

    I have donated blood every 2 months since the beginning of this year. I am up for another one I believe next week. This has been my best defense against hematocrit.

    That was not a bulking protocol believe it or not....it was a very slow slow slowwww cut. Barely was in a deficit....Put all my focus on increasing volume via sets and loads.....ended up being a total recomp. Put on a ton of mass while dropping a ton of fat. Changed my entire opinion on what is possible for the human body to do with the right programming and right gear.

    And I see your point about the "looks like you don't come off". I am aware that I am pushing the edge this year and I do plan to reduce after this last 6 week push.
    Once done, I will drop to:

    150mg Test Cyp per week
    100mg Deca per week
    Mod GRF (1-29) 200mcg before bed daily
    250iu HCG EOD

    Probably will stay at that for remainder of the year. Do you think that is a wise plan?
    The wisest thing you can do after this 6 week blast is to remove that deca and continue the 150mg test and Hcg. Deca is not needed.... That is another cycle. If you want to cycle like that give yourself a small break with TRT only to let the body recover and return to a decent level before blasting again.

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