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    Potentially dangerous interactions of my current ancillaries

    I have searched around the forum and there are a few points which I cannot find any answer to.
    I am well aware these are complicated questions but maybe someone here has experience or enough knowledge to answer.

    Upcoming cycle is:
    350mg Test Prop / wk
    350mg Tren Ace / wk
    T3 @ 60mcg per day
    .5mg EOD Anastrazole
    350 IU HCG EOD
    100mcg Ipamorelin 3x per day
    100mcg Mod GRF 1-29 3x per day

    I track macros and workouts daily, all other necessary supplements in check. Please assume all that stuff is 100% on point.

    So now onto the shit that concerns me (Also please note, everything that I am about to post, I AM LEGALLY PRESCRIBED and get them from a US Pharmacy):

    1. Hydrochlorothiazide
    I already take 25mg every morning and have been for a while just to offset any extra BP and water retention. Every once in a while if my sodium intake was too high the day prior I might take 50mg or 75mg to offset. I am concerned about effect on Kidney's with the addition of Tren. Ok to keep taking 25mg or more occasionally?

    2. Pramipexole/Adderal
    Again, prescribed both. Adderal on occasion when needed for work. Prami I intend on taking .125mg first few nights then bump to .25mg for Prolactin control. The days I take adderal, would it not make sense that the dopamine effects of it are SIGNIFICANTLY stronger than Prami, therefore eliminating the need for Prami?

    3. Sodium Oxybate
    I am unsure if its ok for me to be asking about this substance. Sodium Oxybate is the name given to legally prescribed GHB. Yes, you can be legally prescribed it. The sleep it induces is strong enough that it will knock you out even if you combine it with 200mcg of Clen lol......Anyone forsee any potential issues of using this alongside any of the above listed substances?

    4. Cialis
    Any potential issues between taking this as well as HCTZ?

    5. Doxycycline
    Taken for acne control. Any potential interactions with above listed items?

    6. Zolpidem (Ambien)
    Any potential interactions with above listed items?


    I am pretty careful with everything already. I am just being overly cautious and wanting to see if anyone sees a potentially dangerous combination that I am not seeing here. Please let me know.

    Thx!
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    No, you shouldn't do that cycle if you are taking that medication.

    Plus that is very advanced cycle and you sound like a 1st timer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.BB View Post
    No, you shouldn't do that cycle if you are taking that medication.

    Plus that is very advanced cycle and you sound like a 1st timer.
    Ok, but can you provide a particular reason or reasons for why you say that?

    I am not even remotely a first timer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cupid View Post
    Ok, but can you provide a particular reason or reasons for why you say that?

    I am not even remotely a first timer.
    So what are your stats, cycle history and objective?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.BB View Post
    So what are your stats, cycle history and objective?
    25
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    10% BF
    Been on TRT for 3 years, in the meanwhile have had several blasts.
    I really am not in the mood to start preaching about myself and bring up specific examples - plz take my word for it - I am not a fucking novice.

    My question was NOT whether or not to run that cycle.

    My question was whether or not I should avoid any of those 6 items I listed while running that cycle. I DO NOT need to take any of those 6 items - they are a choice.

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    Would not use tren if are 25 and already need a diuretic for bp control.

    If you need all this medication you should focus on your health and not on taking something like tren which is very harsh on the body.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cupid View Post
    25
    5'6
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    Been on TRT for 3 years, in the meanwhile have had several blasts.
    I really am not in the mood to start preaching about myself and bring up specific examples - plz take my word for it - I am not a fucking novice.

    My question was NOT whether or not to run that cycle.

    My question was whether or not I should avoid any of those 6 items I listed while running that cycle. I DO NOT need to take any of those 6 items - they are a choice.
    Don't mean to derail this thread but at 25 years old and running TRT for a few years now I'm kind of wondering was the TRT worth it and did it change your life somehow?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.BB View Post
    Would not use tren if are 25 and already need a diuretic for bp control.

    If you need all this medication you should focus on your health and not on taking something like tren which is very harsh on the body.
    This forum is not what it used to be........

    I do not need any of those 6 items.
    My BP is fine. Per my research and consultation with various docs, I concluded that HCTZ at 25mg daily while on cycle is actually very beneficial.
    Again - I am not asking whether or not to use Test/Tren or anything regarding the cycle itself.
    My question was whether or not any of those 6 items should be discontinued due to a potential interaction with each other or with my cycle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goalinmind View Post
    Don't mean to derail this thread but at 25 years old and running TRT for a few years now I'm kind of wondering was the TRT worth it and did it change your life somehow?
    I am not going to go into my full history with TRT, i just did that on a very recent thread.
    Was it worth it?
    If you need to go on TRT, you need to go on TRT. Whether or not it is "worth it" is a completely invalid question.
    Did it change my life?
    Going from a low test condition to normal test levels is absolutely life changing to any male, if it is something that is necessary

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cupid View Post
    This forum is not what it used to be........

    I do not need any of those 6 items.
    My BP is fine. Per my research and consultation with various docs, I concluded that HCTZ at 25mg daily while on cycle is actually very beneficial.
    Again - I am not asking whether or not to use Test/Tren or anything regarding the cycle itself.
    My question was whether or not any of those 6 items should be discontinued due to a potential interaction with each other or with my cycle.
    You don't need them but you are taking them anyways? Doesn't make sense to me. The two bolded areas contradict each other. Also I am not sure what you mean by the forum not being what it used to be.

    This forum always has and always will promote safety and education first when it comes to AAS use.
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    I am suprised you are prescribed adderall if you have bp issues.
    Bb is right it is early and wasteful if it is your first or even 5th cycle.
    If you do it you should be constantly monitoring bp.

    Tren , adderal, t3... Thats a lotta fat burner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cupid View Post
    I am not going to go into my full history with TRT, i just did that on a very recent thread.
    Was it worth it?
    If you need to go on TRT, you need to go on TRT. Whether or not it is "worth it" is a completely invalid question.
    Did it change my life?
    Going from a low test condition to normal test levels is absolutely life changing to any male, if it is something that is necessary
    Thanks, like i mentioned not trying to derail just been wondering how TRT affects and changes someone in their early 20s..
    Will read through the trt thread

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    Quote Originally Posted by Windex View Post
    You don't need them but you are taking them anyways? Doesn't make sense to me. The two bolded areas contradict each other. Also I am not sure what you mean by the forum not being what it used to be.

    This forum always has and always will promote safety and education first when it comes to AAS use.
    You guys....
    We are on a steroid forum
    NOBODY NEEDS STEROIDS . But we take them anyways.
    I don't NEED to smoke marijuana, but I do anyways.
    I don't NEED to deadlift 500 lbs, but i do anyways.
    I don't NEED to workout 3 hours a day, but I do anyways.
    Can we move past this ridiculous logic please?

    As far as why I take them - i already explained the reasoning for each one
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    Quote Originally Posted by Obs View Post
    I am suprised you are prescribed adderall if you have bp issues.
    Bb is right it is early and wasteful if it is your first or even 5th cycle.
    If you do it you should be constantly monitoring bp.

    Tren, adderal, t3... Thats a lotta fat burner.
    I don't have BP issues.
    I just prefer to keep it totally on check while on cycle.
    I have ran 250 test prop, 250 npp, 500 eq, and 50mg/day var with t3 before and had almost no BP issues - the HCTZ is just for precaution.

    The aderall is not taken daily, sometimes I go weeks w/o it. It's only when I feel the added focus is necessary for work.

    I am not prescribed any of these things out of needing them.
    My father is a doctor - therefore I am prescribed w/e I want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cupid View Post
    This forum is not what it used to be........

    I do not need any of those 6 items.
    My BP is fine. Per my research and consultation with various docs, I concluded that HCTZ at 25mg daily while on cycle is actually very beneficial.
    Again - I am not asking whether or not to use Test/Tren or anything regarding the cycle itself.
    My question was whether or not any of those 6 items should be discontinued due to a potential interaction with each other or with my cycle.
    You stated that you are prescribed this medications, so why would a doctor prescribe it if you dont need it? What kind of doctors are you seeing?!?

    BP medication may be beneficial if you actually have high BP, otherwise its really not. Hydrochlorothiazide is really not ideal for athletes as it depletes electrolytes, which athletes already lose a lot by exercising and sweating. There are safer BP meds.

    Yeah, its normal for some folks to come into a forum and knowing the exact answers that they want, in the real world you cant control how ppl are going to reply.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cupid View Post
    I have searched around the forum and there are a few points which I cannot find any answer to.
    I am well aware these are complicated questions but maybe someone here has experience or enough knowledge to answer.

    ....

    I am pretty careful with everything already. I am just being overly cautious and wanting to see if anyone sees a potentially dangerous combination that I am not seeing here. Please let me know.

    Thx!
    I don't see any significant interaction there, but some of the drugs like the diuretic are no joke and you should refrain if your BP is fine. The concept it's pretty simple - if ain't broken, don't fix it.

    Taking a DA while on progestins is wise though, but prami is an horrible choice, increase it slowly. Occasional adderall is not a problem, and they don't really work the same manner. In fact, prami is more of downer drug than anything.

    Same goes for doxycycline. Are you already experiencing acne or you just take as prevention?

    Why the Sodium Oxybate plus zolpidem combo?

    .5mg arimidex /anastrozole ED is quite a lot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.BB View Post
    You stated that you are prescribed this medications, so why would a doctor prescribe it if you dont need it? What kind of doctors are you seeing?!?

    BP medication may be beneficial if you actually have high BP, otherwise its really not. Hydrochlorothiazide is really not ideal for athletes as it depletes electrolytes, which athletes already lose a lot by exercising and sweating. There are safer BP meds.

    Yeah, its normal for some folks to come into a forum and knowing the exact answers that they want, in the real world you cant control how ppl are going to reply.
    I am not prescribed any of these things out of needing them.
    My father is a doctor - therefore I am prescribed w/e I want - I can add or cut anything any time.

    What I meant regarding the forum is that, per my language, I would assume that a vet can clearly see I am not new to this. Yes I could sit here and go into a 15 page detailed explanation of stats, cycle history, and reasons why the meds - and waste an incredible amount of my own/your time in writing and reading it....or I could just say, plz take my word for it and stop assuming novice so we can move on the actual questions at had.

    But if its really so necessary to explain the meds:

    1- HCTZ pretty much nulifies excess water retention. Even though I take high dose AI. it still makes me stay dry the entire time. I offset the negatives by drinking 1.25 gallon water per day, plus potassium supplements all throughout the day to replace the lost potassium - as HCTZ is non-potassium sparing.

    2 - Prami i am prescribed because I would rather take a pharmaceutial version instead of the shit from the peptide websites. I don't take it normally, I only have it for when I plan on running a 19-Nor.
    Adderall I have. I don't take daily. I don't need it. I only use it for performance enhancement when work is overloading me. I don't take it before workouts either. I also adjust my t-3 dose slightly lower if I plan on taking the adderall that day. Furthermore, I never combine it with clen .

    3- I say I am prescribed Sodium Oxybate to avoid legal issues regarding posting about GHB on this board. I am sure you can read between the lines here.

    4- Cialis - same as above. Also helps as a pre-workout. I don't need to take it.

    5- Doxycylcine - I prefer it significantly over accutane for acne control because I can still tan while on it as it doesn't cause photosensitivity in me nor does it cause the host of other problems accutane can cause.

    6- Ambien - also don't need. Only use occasionally when my sleep schedule gets fucked up because of work and I need to go to bed WAY earlier than my body/mind get tired. I won't sacrifice total sleep time with the amount of workout volume I do. I need the recovery. Therefore, If I woke up at noon today, and i need to wake up at 6am tomorrow, and i want 8 hours of sleep - It is unlikely I will fall asleep at 10pm tonight. Ambien fixes this.

    Does this make more sense to you now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bizzarro View Post
    I don't see any significant interaction there, but some of the drugs like the diuretic are no joke and you should refrain if your BP is fine. The concept it's pretty simple - if ain't broken, don't fix it.

    Taking a DA while on progestins is wise though, but prami is an horrible choice, increase it slowly. Occasional adderall is not a problem, and they don't really work the same manner. In fact, prami is more of downer drug than anything.

    Same goes for doxycycline. Are you already experiencing acne or you just take as prevention?

    Why the Sodium Oxybate plus zolpidem combo?

    .5mg arimidex/anastrozole ED is quite a lot.
    Thank you!

    Regarding the adderall/prami. I would think that the dopamine flush caused my adderall should be more than enough for prolactin control, and would allow me to skip prami on the days I take it? Just curious.

    Pretty much anything other than moderate dose Test has given me acne in the past. A couple years ago a doc told me to take Doxycycline to offset, and it worked well, so now I just take it as prevention with every blast. Yes I can "wait" to see if I experience acne before taking it....but then it takes like 3-4 weeks to clear up.....and seeing how this is only a 6 week blast, by the time it starts fixing the acne, I will be done with the blast lol.

    Regarding the sodium oxybate/zolpidem combo.....please try to read between the lines. Hypothetically, if a person came on this board and said they take street GHB on occasion for recreation/sleep - it would cause problems. Personally, I do not drink alcohol due the shitty effects on your overall health, most of which are non-existent with GHB. My reply to Mr.BB above explains why sometimes the need for a downer to knock me out though.

    I apologize, I mistyped the AI dose and just fixed it. its .5mg EOD.

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    1-Thats great, seems you know what you are doing, or at least know the effects of the drug. Still personally prefer something like irbesartan if I need BP control.
    2-Have you tried dostinex (cabergoline)? It is much more effective and less side effects. You really only need 0.25mg twice a week to flatten prolactin.
    3-Cant endorse that. You dont need that
    4-Have you tried mini aspirin as preworkout? I find the effects quite similar but without the "side effects" lol.
    5-Have taken a lot in my teens years. Now when I have an infection it requires me taking latest generation antibiotics. If you can avoid it it is better in my opinion. Try blue light LED treatment, it works for 70% of ppl.
    6-You will need it for tren .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.BB View Post
    1-Thats great, seems you know what you are doing, or at least know the effects of the drug. Still personally prefer something like irbesartan if I need BP control.
    2-Have you tried dostinex (cabergoline)? It is much more effective and less side effects. You really only need 0.25mg twice a week to flatten prolactin.
    3-Cant endorse that. You dont need that
    4-Have you tried mini aspirin as preworkout? I find the effects quite similar but without the "side effects" lol.
    5-Have taken a lot in my teens years. Now when I have an infection it requires me taking latest generation antibiotics. If you can avoid it it is better in my opinion. Try blue light LED treatment, it works for 70% of ppl.
    6-You will need it for tren.
    I haven't tried caber yet but I think I might just because prami makes me wake up so many times during the night.
    I have not tried mini-aspirin. I will look into that and the other things you mentioned.

    Thank you!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cupid View Post
    Thank you!

    Regarding the adderall/prami. I would think that the dopamine flush caused my adderall should be more than enough for prolactin control, and would allow me to skip prami on the days I take it? Just curious.
    Again, the work differently. There aren't many studies around about amphetamines and prolactin, but the suppressive effect seems to be minimal if any, so don't count on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cupid View Post
    You guys....
    We are on a steroid forum
    NOBODY NEEDS STEROIDS . But we take them anyways.
    I don't NEED to smoke marijuana, but I do anyways.
    I don't NEED to deadlift 500 lbs, but i do anyways.
    I don't NEED to workout 3 hours a day, but I do anyways.
    Can we move past this ridiculous logic please?

    As far as why I take them - i already explained the reasoning for each one
    Damn your workout takes you 3 hours? Most of the literature I've ready says if it takes longer than 90 minutes than you are overworking your muscles and impeding your gains. Unless you are lifting especially heavy and have long ass wait times in between sets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cupid View Post
    You guys....
    We are on a steroid forum
    NOBODY NEEDS STEROIDS . But we take them anyways.
    I don't NEED to smoke marijuana, but I do anyways.
    I don't NEED to deadlift 500 lbs, but i do anyways.
    I don't NEED to workout 3 hours a day, but I do anyways.
    Can we move past this ridiculous logic please?

    As far as why I take them - i already explained the reasoning for each one
    Fuckin A I like you now!
    I feel the same damn way!
    If its what you want you will do it either way. Watch bp close.


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    Quote Originally Posted by HoldMyBeer View Post
    Damn your workout takes you 3 hours? Most of the literature I've ready says if it takes longer than 90 minutes than you are overworking your muscles and impeding your gains. Unless you are lifting especially heavy and have long ass wait times in between sets.
    I workout for three hours and if you tell my gf different I will choke you!
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    Quote Originally Posted by HoldMyBeer View Post
    Damn your workout takes you 3 hours? Most of the literature I've ready says if it takes longer than 90 minutes than you are overworking your muscles and impeding your gains. Unless you are lifting especially heavy and have long ass wait times in between sets.
    Between proper stretching, warm up, the huge amount of volume i do, and some days where I add in cardio......and people wanting to talk to me at the gym, ya it takes between 2-3 hours.
    If I go to a completely empty gym where I don't have to wait for anything nor do I know anybody there and I am super on point with my rest times between sets, I can maybe shorten it to 1.5 hours, thats not counting cardio

    Also....I don't put a time limit on the workout.
    I only focus on total volume. I have a certain number of workouts and sets to complete....If it takes me 1.5 hours or 4 hours to complete.....no difference, I leave when I complete

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    Quote Originally Posted by Obs View Post
    Fuckin A I like you now!
    I feel the same damn way!
    If its what you want you will do it either way. Watch bp close.

    Thank you haha and I love the Dodgeball clip.
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