Low dose adex on pct? Estrogen rebound.

**Dazhy** · 06-24-2018, 08:12 AM

My last pct i have a lot of problems with acne , bloat etc due to estrogen rebound.Was doing a bulker(test+deca )& hcg on cycle and clomid+nolva for pct .

Im very sensitive to E2 , so can i add 0,5 mg adex weekly in pct ¿?!

**David LoPan** · 06-24-2018, 12:04 PM

Someone will chime in here about PCT. I am not sure at all due to my age and TRT. I know that dex on cycle is .25mg-.5 mg Every Other Day. I have personally found that when my E is very low or very high I get those deep pited pimples. Being young and having so many different issues with hormones I wish you the best. Just make sure you date someone that likes to pop them pimples for you.

**Chrisp83TRT** · 06-24-2018, 12:30 PM

Originally Posted by David LoPan

Someone will chime in here about PCT. I am not sure at all due to my age and TRT. I know that dex on cycle is .25mg-.5 mg Every Other Day. I have personally found that when my E is very low or very high I get those deep pited pimples. Being young and having so many different issues with hormones I wish you the best. Just make sure you date someone that likes to pop them pimples for you.

My gf loves popping mine when my E goes
Up

**Couchlockd** · 06-24-2018, 12:52 PM

No dex during pct.

Idea is to stabilize hormones not supress.

As Soo as you drop dex after pct you'll rebound. Might as well let it happen when serms are protecting your nips

**Mr.BB** · 06-24-2018, 01:45 PM

Acne is not due to estrogen. Skin oil glands (sebaceous glands) are stimulated by male hormones not estrogens, specially DHT which is the most potent androgen in our body.

The results of hormonal acne, which is the type of acne we get from using steroids , is mainly noticed upon cessation or reduction of the androgens (when you stop the cycle), but the pore blockages start with the androgens influx when cycle begins.
During cycle you get a lot of blocked pores, this blocked pores (whiteheads or blackheads) can remain like that for weeks and not create a pimple or cyst. It will only create an infection (yes pimples and cysts are localized infections) once there is spillage of the oil and pus to the inside of the skin. This spillage and increased virulence of the P Acnes bacteria is not totally understood, it can be due to various reasons. The theory in hormonal acne is that this increased virulence is a reaction of the bacteria to the reduction in oil production by sebaceous glands.

Well, so how to solve hormonal acne? You need to control the P Acnes bacteria from the start of the cycle, if you are only worried about it when pimple and cysts appear you are already late. Exfoliation, chlorhexidine cleanses and blue light therapy are some treatments that will work during cycle to control it. Yes, tanning beds or sun and salt water will also work to an extent.
If you are already with cystic acne, the first step is antibiotics (doxycycline or minocycline) which will help with the infections and inflammation, but antibiotics will not treat the blocked pores, and they will continue to produce cysts, you need to also do the exfoliation, etc, to try and remove this blocked pores. Bare in mind this is for cystic acne, you should not take antibiotics if you have a pimple here and there!
If antibiotics dont work the last resort is accutane, which is a very harsh drug, but for hormonal acne after cycle, it can be very effective in small dosage 10mg EOD (or mon, wed and fri), it will take minimum 6 months of treatment and improvements only after 1-2 months. Please dont cycle while you are still on accutane.

EDIT: one last thing, there is no such thing as estrogen rebound, its bro science.

**Chrisp83TRT** · 06-24-2018, 01:52 PM

Originally Posted by Mr.BB

Acne is not due to estrogen. Skin oil glands (sebaceous glands) are stimulated by male hormones not estrogens, specially DHT which is the most potent androgen in our body.

The results of hormonal acne, which is the type of acne we get from using steroids , is mainly noticed upon cessation or reduction of the androgens (when you stop the cycle), but the pore blockages start with the androgens influx when cycle begins.
During cycle you get a lot of blocked pores, this blocked pores (whiteheads or blackheads) can remain like that for weeks and not create a pimple or cyst. It will only create an infection (yes pimples and cysts are localized infections) once there is spillage of the oil and pus to the inside of the skin. This spillage and increased virulence of the P Acnes bacteria is not totally understood, it can be due to various reasons. The theory in hormonal acne is that this increased virulence is a reaction of the bacteria to the reduction in oil production by sebaceous glands.

Well, so how to solve hormonal acne? You need to control the P Acnes bacteria from the start of the cycle, if you are only worried about it when pimple and cysts appear you are already late. Exfoliation, chlorhexidine cleanses and blue light therapy are some treatments that will work during cycle to control it. Yes, tanning beds or sun and salt water will also work to an extent.
If you are already with cystic acne, the first step is antibiotics (doxycycline or minocycline) which will help with the infections and inflammation, but antibiotics will not treat the blocked pores, and they will continue to produce cysts, you need to also do the exfoliation, etc, to try and remove this blocked pores. Bare in mind this is for cystic acne, you should not take antibiotics if you have a pimple here and there!
If antibiotics dont work the last resort is accutane, which is a very harsh drug, but for hormonal acne after cycle, it can be very effective in small dosage 10mg EOD (or mon, wed and fri), it will take minimum 6 months of treatment and improvements only after 1-2 months. Please dont cycle while you are still on accutane.

EDIT: one last thing, there is no such thing as estrogen rebound, its bro science.

Not to sound like an idiot... are you saying ance isn’t coming from the high test you are taking but more so the acne is coming from coming off test or lack of test after having test pushed into the body ?
I’m a tad Confused but am interested to learn.

I started getter my ance more so after switching labs

**Mr.BB** · 06-24-2018, 02:12 PM

Originally Posted by Chrisp83TRT

Not to sound like an idiot... are you saying ance isn’t coming from the high test you are taking but more so the acne is coming from coming off test or lack of test after having test pushed into the body ?
I’m a tad Confused but am interested to learn.

I started getter my ance more so after switching labs

Acne comes from uncontrolled p acnes bacteria. P acnes bacteria feeds on sebum. Sebum is produced in sebaceous glands inside the pores. Sebaceous glands are stimulated by androgens.

When sebaceous glands are over stimulated there are an excessive sebum (oil) production and bacteria are happy and multiply.

But yes, for most ppl the pimples and cysts come after cycle.

You switched labs? Now which vial was bunk or underdosed?

**Chrisp83TRT** · 06-24-2018, 02:26 PM

Originally Posted by Mr.BB

Acne comes from uncontrolled p acnes bacteria. P acnes bacteria feeds on sebum. Sebum is produced in sebaceous glands inside the pores. Sebaceous glands are stimulated by androgens.

When sebaceous glands are over stimulated there are an excessive sebum (oil) production and bacteria are happy and multiply.

But yes, for most ppl the pimples and cysts come after cycle.

You switched labs? Now which vial was bunk or underdosed?

I would HOPE it’s not underdosed.. I’m using geneza Test Cyp at the present moment. About 3-4 weeks in I started to get more ance on my shoulders. They tend to OD their Test, could that also cause this issue . My e has been all over the place

**Mr.BB** · 06-24-2018, 02:30 PM

Originally Posted by Chrisp83TRT

I would HOPE it’s not underdosed.. I’m using geneza Test Cyp at the present moment. About 3-4 weeks in I started to get more ance on my shoulders. They tend to OD their Test, could that also cause this issue . My e has been all over the place

We are all different. Can only tell you its not due to elevated estradiol.