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    Equipoise- test e cycle advice

    Hi guys. Iím looking to gain a smaller amount of lean quality mass from this cycle. What do you think? Iíd like to end up gaining 5-10lbs of muscle and lose 1-2% body fat by the time itís all said and done. If I ended up at 190lbs (up from 180lbs) and dropped some body fat after cutting a bit Iíd be happy.

    Iím 39 yo, 6í, 180lb, body fat not sure but my avatar pic is me as of 2 weeks ago. I have a nutritionist at my disposal so Iíll be talking with her as to changes to my diet macros etc. I workout 5 times a week, usually 20-30 mins of cardio to warmup then 25-30 mins of HIT. Iíve done one previous cycle about 5 years ago. It was test e at 500mgs/week for 10 or 12 weeks I canít remember. I gained 25lbs or so but I went from nice and cut to looking big and soft. Felt big and bulky and didnít like it one bit. Me and the wife definitely prefer the lean, vascular look. Anyway, those ar my goals and here is my proposed cycle. Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks guys!

    Weeks 1-12: Equipoise 600mgs/week
    Weeks 1-12: Test e 500mgs/week
    Weeks 1-4, 9-12: Anavar 60mgs/day
    Weeks 1-14: Armidex .5/day
    Weeks 2-14: HCG 1000ius/week
    Weeks 15-20: Tamox 40/day then 20/day
    Weeks 15-20: Clomid 50/day then 25/day


    The PCT is run at doubk dose for the first week then the regular dose for the remaining 5 weeks. The HCG dose is 1000ius/week until the last 2 weeks where itís upped to 3000ius/day. The Equipoise, test e and hcg doses are split up twice a week.

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    I think EQ is junk, others may disagree - Things like Anavar , Masteron , Tren (depending on your history) or Winny might support your goals a lot better.

    10 lbs of muscle is never going to happen in 12 weeks without Gh and slin (not that I am advising you to use either)

    3-5 lbs of muscle AND 1-2% body fat drop would be a huge success. Keep in mind percentages.
    Last edited by Windex; 06-27-2018 at 11:39 AM.

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    Hmmm, I’ll look into those, thanks. 3-5 lbs of muscle and drop 1-2% body fat would be fine. Maybe I’ll shoot for that. I was debating about throwing 3ius/day gh in there actually.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kinglondon View Post
    Hmmm, I’ll look into those, thanks. 3-5 lbs of muscle and drop 1-2% body fat would be fine. Maybe I’ll shoot for that. I was debating about throwing 3ius/day gh in there actually.
    You're going to gain 20lbs to 25lbs or more and hold water. I would recommend 300mf/wk of Test Prop + 300mg/wk of Mast. Run a 6wks to 8wks cycle. You can quit the cycle anytime after you gained 6lbs to 8lbs. I'm assuming you're going to lose 50% of your gains after PCT. You probably won't but let's be conservative. Do some cardio, it helps to cut fat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kinglondon View Post
    Hmmm, Iíll look into those, thanks. 3-5 lbs of muscle and drop 1-2% body fat would be fine. Maybe Iíll shoot for that. I was debating about throwing 3ius/day gh in there actually.
    3IU won't get you to 10lbs of muscle. Not trying to discourage you it's just important to set realistic expectations so you don't get disappointed at the end.

    You could always check the member picture or cycle results thread if you have trouble visualizing

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    Quote Originally Posted by Windex View Post
    3IU won't get you to 10lbs of muscle. Not trying to discourage you it's just important to set realistic expectations so you don't get disappointed at the end.

    You could always check the member picture or cycle results thread if you have trouble visualizing
    Good idea. I’ll check some cycle result threads out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScotchGuard02 View Post
    You're going to gain 20lbs to 25lbs or more and hold water. I would recommend 300mf/wk of Test Prop + 300mg/wk of Mast. Run a 6wks to 8wks cycle. You can quit the cycle anytime after you gained 6lbs to 8lbs. I'm assuming you're going to lose 50% of your gains after PCT. You probably won't but let's be conservative. Do some cardio, it helps to cut fat.
    Thanks. I’ll look into those and check out the cycle results threads like windex suggested.

    My goal is to go from 180lbs. to between 185-190lb max and drop 1-2% body fat by the time it’s all said and done.

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    Do you think the ai is too high and pct too long? I just took it from some other more experienced members cycles that were very similar to my eq 600 test e 500 cycle.

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    Same with the hcg . That protocol was just taken from some article that was just focused on the benefits of taking hcg throughout your cycle and how to dose it. Any advice there?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScotchGuard02 View Post
    You're going to gain 20lbs to 25lbs or more and hold water. I would recommend 300mf/wk of Test Prop + 300mg/wk of Mast. Run a 6wks to 8wks cycle. You can quit the cycle anytime after you gained 6lbs to 8lbs. I'm assuming you're going to lose 50% of your gains after PCT. You probably won't but let's be conservative. Do some cardio, it helps to cut fat.

    How about something like this?

    Test Prop 300mg/week, mast 200mg/week, primo 200mg/week? 12.5/ed Aromasin and hcg at 1000ius/week.

    I run 3-5kms 5 days a week and do 30 mins or so of HIT right after.

    I use a nutritionist that works with body builders who tracks my macros and gives me meal options when cutting or bulking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScotchGuard02 View Post
    You're going to gain 20lbs to 25lbs or more and hold water. I would recommend 300mf/wk of Test Prop + 300mg/wk of Mast. Run a 6wks to 8wks cycle. You can quit the cycle anytime after you gained 6lbs to 8lbs. I'm assuming you're going to lose 50% of your gains after PCT. You probably won't but let's be conservative. Do some cardio, it helps to cut fat.

    How about something like this?

    Test Prop 300mg/week, mast 200mg/week, primo 200mg/week? 12.5/ed Aromasin and hcg at 1000ius/week.

    I run 3-5kms 5 days a week and do 30 mins or so of HIT right after.

    I use a nutritionist that works with body builders who tracks my macros and gives me meal options when cutting or bulking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kinglondon View Post
    Do you think the ai is too high and pct too long? I just took it from some other more experienced members cycles that were very similar to my eq 600 test e 500 cycle.
    .5mg/ed of Adex is too high of a start dose. If you run short ester test, start the Adex run on week 2 with .25mg/eod. If you run a long ester, start your Adex tun on week 3 at .25mg/oed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kinglondon View Post
    Same with the hcg. That protocol was just taken from some article that was just focused on the benefits of taking hcg throughout your cycle and how to dose it. Any advice there?
    Too much HCG can suppress natural Test. Run 250iu twice a week. That's enough.

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    Perfect. Thanks for the advice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScotchGuard02 View Post
    .5mg/ed of Adex is too high of a start dose. If you run short ester test, start the Adex run on week 2 with .25mg/eod. If you run a long ester, start your Adex tun on week 3 at .25mg/oed.
    So, Iím picking up all the gear plus pct from the shop tomorrow. Iíll talk to the guy there for any last minute changes but this is basically what itíll be.

    Eq- weeks 1-12 600mgs/week
    Test e- weeks 1-12 500mgs/week
    Anavar - weeks 1-4, 9-12 60mgs/day
    Hcg - weeks 2- 14 500ius/week
    Armidex- weeks 1-14 .25/eod

    PCT will either be 4 or 6 weeks clomid at 50mgs/day for the first week and 25mgs/day for the remaining. Nolvadex will be 40mgs/day for the first week then 20mgs/day for the remaining.

    Iíll possibly create a new thread at some point to post cycle results and what not. Probably going to start in a couple weeks as Iíd like to finish this long set of night shifts first.

    Thanks for all the help and advice on this cycle. Weíll see what the guy says tomorrow about it as well. He was a pro bodybuilder and still sells to a pile of those guys and he really knows his stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kinglondon View Post
    So, I’m picking up all the gear plus pct from the shop tomorrow. I’ll talk to the guy there for any last minute changes but this is basically what it’ll be.

    Eq- weeks 1-12 600mgs/week
    Test e- weeks 1-12 500mgs/week
    Anavar - weeks 1-4, 9-12 60mgs/day
    Hcg - weeks 2- 14 500ius/week
    Armidex- weeks 1-14 .25/eod

    PCT will either be 4 or 6 weeks clomid at 50mgs/day for the first week and 25mgs/day for the remaining. Nolvadex will be 40mgs/day for the first week then 20mgs/day for the remaining.

    I’ll possibly create a new thread at some point to post cycle results and what not. Probably going to start in a couple weeks as I’d like to finish this long set of night shifts first.

    Thanks for all the help and advice on this cycle. We’ll see what the guy says tomorrow about it as well. He was a pro bodybuilder and still sells to a pile of those guys and he really knows his stuff.
    Make sure the PCT and AI are pharma grade. Arguably the most important of any cycle, even more so than the gear. Imagine your AI is overdosed and you take 0.5 instead of 0.25 and you crash your E2, good luck from there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Windex View Post
    Make sure the PCT and AI are pharma grade. Arguably the most important of any cycle, even more so than the gear. Imagine your AI is overdosed and you take 0.5 instead of 0.25 and you crash your E2, good luck from there.
    Ya for sure. I’ll ask him about that. I have a dr. that would prescribe that stuff to me as well so I could always go that route.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kinglondon View Post
    Ya for sure. Iíll ask him about that. I have a dr. that would prescribe that stuff to me as well so I could always go that route.
    If you have that option you shouldn't be considering AI or PCT from anything other than the pharmacy

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    What is GH and slin. Also yes from simply using text E and eq I don’t see you gaining 10 Pounds on a 3 month cycle

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