Double red blood cell donation

[Dannyboy51577]

Hey guys- got some useful info from my Heartland whoch is my local blood bank.

Ive never had a concerning hemotocrit level but i donate every 8-9wks as allowed anyway. I have sleep apnea, so my h&h tends to be on the higher side of normal when using aas. So better to be safe than sorry i always donate when the time allows.

I was in last wk and was asked by the head nurse if i would be interested in doing double red cell donation. She said because im o negative its a bigger benefit to them and only takes about 10 min or so longer. But this process can only be done every 16 wks instead of every 8. They draw blood, but the machine returns your plasma to your blood stream and only retains the red cells, and you give double the volume of red cells than a normal donation.

Just got me to wondering if its any more beneficial to an aas user to go this route. I mean since i just gave normally, i can do the double red in 8 wks. So thats beneficial because i can give 3 donations of red cells in 2 trips.

But going forward im not sure of it makes more sense to do the double red every 16 wks or regular every 8 or of it would make a difference at all. Thought i would get some input, as i know theres alot of guys that have an issue with H&H and it could benefit them

[Couchlockd]

The power red is what aas users should give. Provides much better benefits to us

[Mr.BB]

The power red is what aas users should give. Provides much better benefits to us

What kind of benefits?

[charger69]

The power red is what aas users should give. Provides much better benefits to us

That is what he did. I only give the normal because I donate every 4 weeks because hematocrit builds up. The only difference is they take more out but you need to wait longer. It washes out unless There is something that I am missing.


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[Couchlockd]

What kind of benefits?

I dunno you tell me.

[Dannyboy51577]

I didnt do it this time, was already hooked up and ready to go to give normal. But figuring ill do it next time. I can only give every 8 wks over here at my donation center. But i figure if they take only the red cells and return the plasma, still should be better than normal blood draw every 8 wks

[charger69]

I didnt do it this time, was already hooked up and ready to go to give normal. But figuring ill do it next time. I can only give every 8 wks over here at my donation center. But i figure if they take only the red cells and return the plasma, still should be better than normal blood draw every 8 wks

The double red is every 16 weeks. That’s why I say it is a wash.


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[almostgone]

I didnt do it this time, was already hooked up and ready to go to give normal. But figuring ill do it next time. I can only give every 8 wks over here at my donation center. But i figure if they take only the red cells and return the plasma, still should be better than normal blood draw every 8 wks

The main benefit to a double red donation is it will lower.your hematocrit a bit more than a whole blood donation, so if you're running rich/high Hct, it will help short term.
The flip side of that coin is if you don't address the issue causing the high hematocrit (whether it be genetic, like mine) or caused by external factors ( living at high altitudes, sleep apnea, AAS usage etc).,you will find yourself right back in the same situation and having to wait until 112 days have passed before you can donate again.

[Dannyboy51577]

The main benefit to a double red donation is it will lower.your hematocrit a bit more than a whole blood donation, so if you're running rich/high Hct, it will help short term.
The flip side of that coin is if you don't address the issue causing the high hematocrit (whether it be genetic, like mine) or caused by external factors ( living at high altitudes, sleep apnea, AAS usage etc).,you will find yourself right back in the same situation and having to wait until 112 days have passed before you can donate again.

Yeah i was giving it some thought AG, figure it cant hurt. Im lucky overall, even with sleep apnea and aas, mine doesnt get outside high normal range.

Only thing i came up with is at least with double red, you know you are giving only red cells, and like you said AG, for someone with high hemo, its an option to help lower a bit for that temporary period

[Mr.BB]

The main benefit to a double red donation is it will lower.your hematocrit a bit more than a whole blood donation, so if you're running rich/high Hct, it will help short term.
The flip side of that coin is if you don't address the issue causing the high hematocrit (whether it be genetic, like mine) or caused by external factors ( living at high altitudes, sleep apnea, AAS usage etc).,you will find yourself right back in the same situation and having to wait until 112 days have passed before you can donate again.

The main benefit to a double red donation is it will lower.your hematocrit a bit more than a whole blood donation, so if you're running rich/high Hct, it will help short term.
The flip side of that coin is if you don't address the issue causing the high hematocrit (whether it be genetic, like mine) or caused by external factors ( living at high altitudes, sleep apnea, AAS usage etc).,you will find yourself right back in the same situation and having to wait until 112 days have passed before you can donate again.

^^My man AG nails it^^^

While it is true that everybody eligible should donate blood, as it can save many lifes, if you are expecting to donate blood to solve your own problems it may not work exactly like you want it.
The dangerous polycythemia is the one where the increased RBCs are together with increased WBCs and platelets. This is where the blood clots danger zone is. The mere increased in erythrocytes (RBCs), called erythrocytosis, which is what testosterone and other androgenic steroids will do is not dangerous, although above 53% it can be taxing on circulatory system.

Another problem you guys need to be aware is your iron blood levels, which are analysed by total iron and ferritin levels. Having multiple donations in short amount of time can lead to this iron depletion. Iron depletion will increase the chance of blood clots, as it increases the plasma concentration of blood factor VIII, the blood coagulation factor (https://thorax.bmj.com/content/67/4/328).
So, too much blood letting can have a negative impact if iron levels are not monitored.

[charger69]

^^My man AG nails it^^^

While it is true that everybody eligible should donate blood, as it can save many lifes, if you are expecting to donate blood to solve your own problems it may not work exactly like you want it.
The dangerous polycythemia is the one where the increased RBCs are together with increased WBCs and platelets. This is where the blood clots danger zone is. The mere increased in erythrocytes (RBCs), called erythrocytosis, which is what testosterone and other androgenic steroids will do is not dangerous, although above 53% it can be taxing on circulatory system.

Another problem you guys need to be aware is your iron blood levels, which are analysed by total iron and ferritin levels. Having multiple donations in short amount of time can lead to this iron depletion. Iron depletion will increase the chance of blood clots, as it increases the plasma concentration of blood factor VIII, the blood coagulation factor (https://thorax.bmj.com/content/67/4/328).
So, too much blood letting can have a negative impact if iron levels are not monitored.

Thank you for the comprehensive explanation!


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[Dannyboy51577]

Thats good info BB. Ive always donated whenever i was allowed, they told me years ago that O neg is always needed so i always tried to get in 5 or 6 times a year, just now i make sure i do it as soon as the time period allows instead of waiting a couple wks.

My doc keeps a pretty good eye on my labs and blood, but im wondering if only doing double red and the plasma then being returned to my body could then affect plasma concentration like you said. Worth looking into

[kelkel]

Another problem you guys need to be aware is your iron blood levels, which are analysed by total iron and ferritin levels. Having multiple donations in short amount of time can lead to this iron depletion. Iron depletion will increase the chance of blood clots, as it increases the plasma concentration of blood factor VIII, the blood coagulation factor (https://thorax.bmj.com/content/67/4/328).
So, too much blood letting can have a negative impact if iron levels are not monitored.

The impact on iron levels is even more important as we age.


https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2798760/

[charger69]

The impact on iron levels is even more important as we age.


https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2798760/

Thank you for keeping us oldies up to speed. I never had hematocrit issues until I started going high with tren . As you try fixing one thing, you throw off another
I think that I spend more on the supps than I do the actual cycles now. LOL


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[Mr.BB]

Thats good info BB. Ive always donated whenever i was allowed, they told me years ago that O neg is always needed so i always tried to get in 5 or 6 times a year, just now i make sure i do it as soon as the time period allows instead of waiting a couple wks.

My doc keeps a pretty good eye on my labs and blood, but im wondering if only doing double red and the plasma then being returned to my body could then affect plasma concentration like you said. Worth looking into

5-6 time donation is not accepted in europe where you can only donate every 3 months.

Double red will deplete your iron stocks faster than normal donations, as iron in body is used in the production of RBCs. Does not mean you are iron deficiency, like I said above you should monitor it with total iron and ferritin tests. Dont you have access to your bloodwork so you can check this values?

[Mr.BB]

The impact on iron levels is even more important as we age.


https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2798760/

"In the study and control groups, about 10% subjects consumed non-vegetarian diet."

Lots of vegetarians in India,huh?

[lundgren]

I have this problem ... But coming from the liver and i need to take Iron because if I do not take it I find myself in deficiency.

^^My man AG nails it^^^

While it is true that everybody eligible should donate blood, as it can save many lifes, if you are expecting to donate blood to solve your own problems it may not work exactly like you want it.
The dangerous polycythemia is the one where the increased RBCs are together with increased WBCs and platelets. This is where the blood clots danger zone is. The mere increased in erythrocytes (RBCs), called erythrocytosis, which is what testosterone and other androgenic steroids will do is not dangerous, although above 53% it can be taxing on circulatory system.

Another problem you guys need to be aware is your iron blood levels, which are analysed by total iron and ferritin levels. Having multiple donations in short amount of time can lead to this iron depletion. Iron depletion will increase the chance of blood clots, as it increases the plasma concentration of blood factor VIII, the blood coagulation factor (https://thorax.bmj.com/content/67/4/328).
So, too much blood letting can have a negative impact if iron levels are not monitored.

[lundgren]

In India he's made one of the best product for the liver named Liv52, hes containt " Mandhur Basma " this plant are very rich in Iron, i use this from 2 years ago now and i dont eat meat.
So dont worry about the vegan in India (^^)

"In the study and control groups, about 10% subjects consumed non-vegetarian diet."

Lots of vegetarians in India,huh?

[Chrisp83TRT]

^^My man AG nails it^^^

While it is true that everybody eligible should donate blood, as it can save many lifes, if you are expecting to donate blood to solve your own problems it may not work exactly like you want it.
The dangerous polycythemia is the one where the increased RBCs are together with increased WBCs and platelets. This is where the blood clots danger zone is. The mere increased in erythrocytes (RBCs), called erythrocytosis, which is what testosterone and other androgenic steroids will do is not dangerous, although above 53% it can be taxing on circulatory system.

Another problem you guys need to be aware is your iron blood levels, which are analysed by total iron and ferritin levels. Having multiple donations in short amount of time can lead to this iron depletion. Iron depletion will increase the chance of blood clots, as it increases the plasma concentration of blood factor VIII, the blood coagulation factor (https://thorax.bmj.com/content/67/4/328).
So, too much blood letting can have a negative impact if iron levels are not monitored.

Last time I donated , they said my iron was high but not dangerously high but she was alittle stunned . My question is that dangerous ? And is donating every 8-12 weeks okay if my iron levels tend to be on the higher side

[Mr.BB]

Last time I donated , they said my iron was high but not dangerously high but she was alittle stunned . My question is that dangerous ? And is donating every 8-12 weeks okay if my iron levels tend to be on the higher side

They were talking about hemoglobin, you know the stuff inside RBCs, that carries oxygen in and co2 out of the cells, and that is made of iron.

[Dannyboy51577]

Thank you for keeping us oldies up to speed. I never had hematocrit issues until I started going high with tren . As you try fixing one thing, you throw off another
I think that I spend more on the supps than I do the actual cycles now. LOL


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Oh yeah i keep copies of all my bloods. Dox runs them just as routine every 6 months or so, then i do my own in between.

I do 5-6 times per year as just normal donation- about every 8 wks or so. I havent done the double red as of yet, just heard about it last time i was there, thought it would be worth discussing

[kelkel]

"In the study and control groups, about 10% subjects consumed non-vegetarian diet."

Lots of vegetarians in India,huh?

Yeah, saw that too.