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02-25-2019, 03:41 AM #1Associate Member
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Getting ready for my next cycle :D
Hey guys,
I'm 33, currently sitting at 73kg/160.6lbs,12-13% bf and my height is 5'10/177cm.
I did 3 cycles before but I don't really count the first 2 anymore as they were between 2006-2008 before I broke my shoulder and had 2 surgeries and an eternity of physio.
To keep it short, first cycle was test only for 8 weeks and PCT of clomid only and second cycle was test e & deca for 12 weeks with pct of clomid.
My recent cycle was Jul-Sept 2018; it was my first cycle after a long time as I was off the gym for nearly 2 years due a car accident where I was rear ended by a water truck and I got smashed in my little small sports car.
It helped me refresh my memories about AAS, my limits and how my body reacts after a long break.
The cycle was:
Test e 500mg/week for 12 weeks
Dbols 50mg/day for 5 weeks
Deca 250mg/week for 12 weeks
Test P 100mg eod for 2 weeks at the end (Bridge to pct)
Adex at 0.25 e3d
Starting weight: 68kg/149.6lbs
End weight: 82.4kg/181.28lbs
Pre PCT (3 days after last injection of test p):
500iu of HCG eod for 10 days
PCT (2 days after last injection of HCG):
Nolva 40/40/20/20
Clomid: 75/75/50/50
After PCT and water flushed out, my weight was stable at 79.6kg/175.12lbs (but honestly, I had a good chunk of fat around my stomach as I was over eating for sure).
I went on a caloric defecit of 500kcal after the above cycle for 8 weeks to bring my bf % down and I feel and look much better and I am sitting at 73kg and 12-13% give or take.
I am ready for my next cycle and I would like to put on more weight.
I have set my mind on my LONG term goal to reach 200-210lbs at 10-12% bf and I am going to stick it rather than going back and forth between bulking then cutting.
I am thinking to take the following for my next cycle:
Test e 750mg/week for 12 weeks
Deca 350mg/week for 12 weeks (should I go more?)
Dbols 50mg/day first 5 weeks (also was considering anadrol but I am not familiar with it and I have a lot of Dbols left from last cycle)
Nolva 10mg/day (don't want to limit gains so I will not touch AI this time and let estrogen elevate along with the test)
HGH 4iu/day (will start 2iu/day for 2 weeks then try 3iu/day and build up my way to 4iu)
I would like to introduce something else in the last 6 weeks but I am not sure and was hoping for some suggestions. Maybe something that will help increase free test? I am open to ideas guys.
Pre PCT:
500iu/day HCG for 10 days
PCT:
Nolva 40/40/20/20
Clomid 100/100/50/50
I am also willing to consider a 16 week long cycle, not really forced to limit the cycle to 12 weeks (if I go the 16 week route, maybe introduce Tren at some point and cut off the Deca?)
Thank you for reading and any help is highly appreciated.
Sorry if the post is long
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02-25-2019, 01:02 PM #2Staff ~ HRT Optimization Specialist
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Using HGH for 12 weeks is going to accomplish very little compared to using the same money on anabolics/peptides/food/etc. It's not a cycle compound, you start using it for as long as financially possible. I wouldn't even consider it at your stats regardless. If the HGH is intended as a proactive solution from any post-surgery problems, that is a different story. However, alternatives also include BPC157+TB500. There are many logs here of members experiences and it may be insightful for you.
Between starting gear at 150 lbs and going down to 160 lbs as of today is a pretty big red flag that either nutrition or training are seriously lacking, if not both. Using more gear than your last cycle is not the answer to get to the goals you need, nor at the dosages for someone of your size.
Yo-yo'ing up and down between on/off cycle just means you will never keep your gains and you will never be able to maintain 200lbs 10% BF even if you magically get there due to lack of nutrition+training.
Either bulk up to somewhere around 220lbs naturally and a simple Test + Oral cycle at that point to cut down to 200-210lbs without jeopardizing muscle. Or do a slow lean bulk up to 190ish lbs and then add Test + Oral to get over the last hump to the 200-210lb mark.
If estrogen is a concern then adding more Test and going bananas on an AI is just a break even in terms of a performance gain. Testosterone can easily be cut with other compounds like EQ or Primo
No offense meant just being brutally honest. Your plan that you've laid out is equivalent to someone just learning how to drive, then deciding their first vehicle should be a Ferrari.I no longer check my inbox. If you PM me I will not reply.
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02-25-2019, 01:04 PM #3
Low does Anavar will lower SHBG thereby raising free test. Randy Mclain talks about doses under 10mg/day being effective (I can't remember the exact amount).
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02-25-2019, 01:05 PM #4
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02-25-2019, 09:51 PM #5Associate Member
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sorry, I should have elaborated more. I was thinking of taking HGH for as long as possible (I didnt put a time frame next to it) and not for growth benefits; I was hoping to benefit from the fat loss, joints regenerative and tendon strenghting benefits that I have been reading about.
Yo-yo'ing up and down between on/off cycle just means you will never keep your gains and you will never be able to maintain 200lbs 10% BF even if you magically get there due to lack of nutrition+TRAINING.
Also, this is why I set my goal to what I started above and I am going to stick to it.
Either bulk up to somewhere around 220lbs naturally and a simple Test + Oral cycle at that point to cut down to 200-210lbs without jeopardizing muscle. Or do a slow lean bulk up to 190ish lbs and then add Test + Oral to get over the last hump to the 200-210lb MARK.
No offense meant just being brutally honest.
Sometimes a little sting is what a brotha needs
Thanks againLast edited by CA_DXB_85; 02-25-2019 at 10:47 PM.
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