First Cycle alternative

[Mula]

Hi everyone,

I'm 27 yrs old and training for quite some time now. My current best lifts are 420lb squat, 485 deadlift, 285 Bench Press. My training, diet, and body fat is in check to start.

However i have been reading through some sticky's on here and i'm not willing to do 500mg of test-e for 12 weeks because of the bloat effect it could give me.

I'm looking more into a lower test-e/mast-e cycle and maybe throw in some anavar to get a nicer result from the start.

Cycle would look like this:

Week 1 - 10 250mg/week Test-e
Week 1 - 10 200mg/week Mast-e
Week 1 - 10 500iU/week HCG
Week 13 - 16 Nolvadex 20/20/20/20

(Additional 50mg of anavar ed for 8 weeks kickstart?)

[redz]

Mast is best for very low body fat also it’s good to see how you react to test. Running 2 dhts could be a bad surprise if you have mpb.

[Mula]

Stacking anavar can actually hinder and avoid the side effects of androgen steroids like winstrol and masteron .

[balance]

Mast is best for very low body fat also it’s good to see how you react to test. Running 2 dhts could be a bad surprise if you have mpb.

I thought mast also shbg which in turn raises free test? If so this cycle looks to make sense. Also mast seemed to work for me. I added into a cycle while only running test, once added I had very noticeable strength gains.


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[Windex]

Stacking anavar can actually hinder and avoid the side effects of androgen steroids like winstrol and masteron.

If you are predisposed to MPB via genotype, the androgens will trump anything else. Half the reason to run Masteron is for the physique appearance when you go sub 10% bodyfat. The other half is to help with estrogen as an adjunct to Tamoxifen in order to avoid heavy AI use in the presence of supra physiological test levels. It doesn't sound like either of those situations are applicable to you.

Running 3 compounds from a first cycle also means you are going to not be able to determine which compound you respond well to or inversely which one may be giving a specific side effect. You have no way to know in advance whether or not Test will cause any significant amount of bloat (which can be mitigated to a degree from diet). Being scared of one controllable and only potential side effect is not logical. PCT is missing clomid unless you are also scared of the rare vision side effects...

[Mula]

I thought mast also shbg which in turn raises free test? If so this cycle looks to make sense. Also mast seemed to work for me. I added into a cycle while only running test, once added I had very noticeable strength gains.

I'm looking for strength gains as well that's why i'm considering anavar on top

[Mula]

If you are predisposed to MPB via genotype, the androgens will trump anything else. Half the reason to run Masteron is for the physique appearance when you go sub 10% bodyfat. The other half is to help with estrogen as an adjunct to Tamoxifen in order to avoid heavy AI use in the presence of supra physiological test levels. It doesn't sound like either of those situations are applicable to you.

Running 3 compounds from a first cycle also means you are going to not be able to determine which compound you respond well to or inversely which one may be giving a specific side effect. You have no way to know in advance whether or not Test will cause any significant amount of bloat (which can be mitigated to a degree from diet). Being scared of one controllable and only potential side effect is not logical. PCT is missing clomid unless you are also scared of the rare vision side effects...

Masteron can help reduce fat also. PCT i been adviced to run 4 weeks 20mg of nolva only no need for clomid they told me (it has a bad rep apparently)

[Windex]

Masteron can help reduce fat also. PCT i been adviced to run 4 weeks 20mg of nolva only no need for clomid they told me (it has a bad rep apparently)

You have been misinformed. There's no need for a seat belt or air bags, but do you drive around without your seat belt and air bags removed from your vehicle ?

Burning fat is going to come from diet and training, not 250mg of Masteron lol....

[balance]

OP

You say your body fat is in check. What exactly is height, weight, estimated BF?

Set anavar topic aside for a minute. I would think that running test and mast vs test and an ai could likely work very well if your bf is genuinely fairly low, but I don’t think mast burns bf (atleast it didn’t for me).


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[Mula]

Let's say i don't want to do a 12 week long cycle in the first place. I would rather want a shorter cycle (10 weeks).

In addition i also want a kickstart from anavar and benefit from the strength increasing properties and use masteron for the muscle hardening effects and improved aesthetics.

[Mula]

I've had nothing but good luck to date with clomid as HRT. I know HRT is not the same as PCT but I can imagine it being an absolutely awesome drug to help restart the HPTA in a PCT situation.

My guess is that if a source told you that, they simply don't have it available to sell to you. But I would still be interested in hearing their opinions.

Well they are telling me that american forums are full with BS. And i shouldn't follow their advice because suppressing too much estrogen can be harmful to cell and joint protection; and because it is not necessary and only 25 mg clomid eod is sufficient for most.

Furthermore, my cycle is almost nothing and there is no reason to combine these 2 (clomid & nolva)! I'll only get more sides that are not needed they are saying.

[Windex]

Well they are telling me that american forums are full with BS. And i shouldn't follow their advice because suppressing too much estrogen can be harmful to cell and joint protection; and because it is not necessary and only 25 mg clomid eod is sufficient for most.

Furthermore, my cycle is almost nothing and there is no reason to combine these 2 (clomid & nolva)! I'll only get more sides that are not needed they are saying.

This is an international board not an American forum.

10vs12 week beginner cycle is negligible difference in terms of sides or consequences.

Instead of listening to "they" maybe spend an evening understanding the pharmokinetics of Clomid and other drugs so you understand why clomid on cycle is a silly idea.

You are arguing yet you have no experience with AAS nor understand what you'd be injecting in your body aside from its name.

[GearHeaded]

Week 1 - 10 250mg/week Test-e
Week 1 - 10 200mg/week Mast-e

just an fyi - the medical prescribing dosage for masteron back in the day was 300mg per week for WOMEN. you really think 200mg is going to do anything for bodybuilding purposes ?

I understand running low dose test cycles. but when you do that you need to run high dose Ahabolics with that low dose test.. Otherwise your just spinning your wheels

[Mula]

This is an international board not an American forum.

10vs12 week beginner cycle is negligible difference in terms of sides or consequences.

Instead of listening to "they" maybe spend an evening understanding the pharmokinetics of Clomid and other drugs so you understand why clomid on cycle is a silly idea.

You are arguing yet you have no experience with AAS nor understand what you'd be injecting in your body aside from its name.

just to avoid confusion i am not saying all what i mentioned above

[Mula]

Hmm, that is interesting.

Good luck with your cycle!

You asked me you were interested in hearing their opinions. I gave it to you and all i get is a good luck...?

[Mula]

just an fyi - the medical prescribing dosage for masteron back in the day was 300mg per week for WOMEN. you really think 200mg is going to do anything for bodybuilding purposes ?

I understand running low dose test cycles. but when you do that you need to run high dose Ahabolics with that low dose test.. Otherwise your just spinning your wheels

Week 1 - 10 250mg/week Test-e
Week 1 - 10 400mg/week Mast-e

This is probably what i'll do if using mast The dosage was indeed too low.