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Thread: Coming off theraputic dose of Deca and joints KILLING ME!!!!

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    Coming off theraputic dose of Deca and joints KILLING ME!!!!

    Backstory, been on TRT for 7 or so years. I have a fake hip already that was replaced when I was 35. I'm currently 43. Went on TRT a year or so after having it replaced. Started having joint pain in hips and shoulder so I added 100mg/week of Deca for the past year or so. It's helped a lot with the pain issues and all has been good. However, I've had issues with maintaining an erection while on even with .5mg of Caber twice per week and 20mg. Clialis. No issues getting it up just it was getting soft when I was going to orgasm. My last bloodwork was approx. 6 months ago and aside from minor high blood pressure everything was within the mid-high normal range. 2 weeks ago I came off the Deca to for 2 reasons.

    1) Starting a light cutting cycle (10 weeks Test E 600mg/week Weeks: 3-10 200mg Tren Ace per week and 50mg. Winny ED)
    2.) I cut the Deca to alleviate any chance of bloat and to see if erections were better esp. not wanting to run (2) 19 Nors at the same time

    Today started some awful pain in my hip flexors where I can barely even do sit-ups and I slept terribly. Obviously, trying to lean out esp. with Winny will cause more joint pain BUT, I just started Winny today so that's not the issue.

    Should I just try to tolerate the pain for another week or 2 and see what happens as my body levels out, add a lower dose of Deca (50mg/week) go get new bloodwork (which I don't want my dr. to see my elevated test level) or something else?

    Not sure if adding MSM powder or fish oil may help?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PistolPete33 View Post
    Backstory, been on TRT for 7 or so years. I have a fake hip already that was replaced when I was 35. I'm currently 43. Went on TRT a year or so after having it replaced. Started having joint pain in hips and shoulder so I added 100mg/week of Deca for the past year or so. It's helped a lot with the pain issues and all has been good. However, I've had issues with maintaining an erection while on even with .5mg of Caber twice per week and 20mg. Clialis. No issues getting it up just it was getting soft when I was going to orgasm. My last bloodwork was approx. 6 months ago and aside from minor high blood pressure everything was within the mid-high normal range. 2 weeks ago I came off the Deca to for 2 reasons.

    1) Starting a light cutting cycle (10 weeks Test E 600mg/week Weeks: 3-10 200mg Tren Ace per week and 50mg. Winny ED)
    2.) I cut the Deca to alleviate any chance of bloat and to see if erections were better esp. not wanting to run (2) 19 Nors at the same time

    Today started some awful pain in my hip flexors where I can barely even do sit-ups and I slept terribly. Obviously, trying to lean out esp. with Winny will cause more joint pain BUT, I just started Winny today so that's not the issue.

    Should I just try to tolerate the pain for another week or 2 and see what happens as my body levels out, add a lower dose of Deca (50mg/week) go get new bloodwork (which I don't want my dr. to see my elevated test level) or something else?

    Not sure if adding MSM powder or fish oil may help?

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    In my experience 150mg does me good but I experience ni bloat or sexual sides.
    Might try that and add in some prami?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Obs View Post
    In my experience 150mg does me good but I experience ni bloat or sexual sides.
    Might try that and add in some prami?
    I use Caber as Prami makes me nauseous even right before bed and I only have to take it twice per week as opposed to every night. Right now there is no pain which is weird so maybe a coincidence? I think I'm going to give it a week longer and see how I feel then. Since being off the Deca I'm def. not bloated at all and my cut which I just started is going well minus this. haha
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    Quote Originally Posted by PistolPete33 View Post
    I use Caber as Prami makes me nauseous even right before bed and I only have to take it twice per week as opposed to every night. Right now there is no pain which is weird so maybe a coincidence? I think I'm going to give it a week longer and see how I feel then. Since being off the Deca I'm def. not bloated at all and my cut which I just started is going well minus this. haha
    Cool, I only suggested prami as it doesnt lower your your prolactin beyond natural ranges I am told.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Obs View Post
    Cool, I only suggested prami as it doesnt lower your your prolactin beyond natural ranges I am told.
    Very interesting..... I def. should research this. If that's a better option I would def. switch it up. However, I always thought as men it didn't matter if we crashed Prolactin as we don't need it and when it's elevated that's where we see all the sexual side effects etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PistolPete33 View Post
    Very interesting..... I def. should research this. If that's a better option I would def. switch it up. However, I always thought as men it didn't matter if we crashed Prolactin as we don't need it and when it's elevated that's where we see all the sexual side effects etc.
    I have no idea on if its needed or not.
    I assumed since we produced it it was necessary.
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    I would keep Deca year round including on cycles for its many benefits. In addition I would do the following ;

    - Replace Winstrol with Masteron or Anavar
    - Use 75mg of Deca (25mg doesn't sound like a lot less of a dosage but relative it's 25%)
    - Introduce Glucosamine + Chondroitin Sulfate + MSM (Costco sells all in one, MSM by itself is junk)
    - Can try B6 (methylated or injectable) for prolactin control if it's a concern for you. Start at 100mg/day and work up in 50mg increments.
    - Add Vitamin D3 and DHEA to your HRT if not already there
    - Explore HGH as an option as well as BPC157 and TB500


    Good luck on cycle
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    Quote Originally Posted by Windex View Post
    I would keep Deca year round including on cycles for its many benefits. In addition I would do the following ;

    - Replace Winstrol with Masteron or Anavar
    - Use 75mg of Deca (25mg doesn't sound like a lot less of a dosage but relative it's 25%)
    - Introduce Glucosamine + Chondroitin Sulfate + MSM (Costco sells all in one, MSM by itself is junk)
    - Can try B6 (methylated or injectable) for prolactin control if it's a concern for you. Start at 100mg/day and work up in 50mg increments.
    - Add Vitamin D3 and DHEA to your HRT if not already there
    - Explore HGH as an option as well as BPC157 and TB500


    Good luck on cycle
    I think exactly the same, Stano kill my joints like hell at only 20-30mg daily, dry the body like hell too

    Anavar, what is the common side effects ?

    I think to enjoy at the max Masteron you need to have a lower bodyfat no ?

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    I would take some anti-inflams and slowly ween off of them. ALways good to taper down off of deca if your using it for relief. One thing to remember, deca only masks the pain, doesnt resolve the issue so you might feel better but your still doing damage to the injury. I ran 800mgs once, I felt like I was 75 for 4 months after.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Windex View Post
    I would keep Deca year round including on cycles for its many benefits. In addition I would do the following ;

    - Replace Winstrol with Masteron or Anavar
    - Use 75mg of Deca (25mg doesn't sound like a lot less of a dosage but relative it's 25%)
    - Introduce Glucosamine + Chondroitin Sulfate + MSM (Costco sells all in one, MSM by itself is junk)
    - Can try B6 (methylated or injectable) for prolactin control if it's a concern for you. Start at 100mg/day and work up in 50mg increments.
    - Add Vitamin D3 and DHEA to your HRT if not already there
    - Explore HGH as an option as well as BPC157 and TB500


    Good luck on cycle

    Thank you for the input. I was going to add in Masteron in the next week at 400mg/week. Think the Winstrol will just make everything far worse? Should I just jump back on the Deca starting now or wait another week? Good idea about lowering it to 75mg/week. I don't think it will be an issue running both 19 nors as they are at such low dosages. 200-300mg/week of Tren is what works for me. Any more and it makes me insane. haha

    If I take B6 for Prolactin control would I take that in replace of the Caber or do both? Or, just stay on Caber?

    I've done both TB500 and HGH in the past both with great success. Financial troubles had me stop taking HGH but I'm back in a position to running it again. I will prob. take a theraputic dosage of 1-2 IU's per day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PistolPete33 View Post
    Thank you for the input. I was going to add in Masteron in the next week at 400mg/week. Think the Winstrol will just make everything far worse? Should I just jump back on the Deca starting now or wait another week? Good idea about lowering it to 75mg/week. I don't think it will be an issue running both 19 nors as they are at such low dosages. 200-300mg/week of Tren is what works for me. Any more and it makes me insane. haha

    If I take B6 for Prolactin control would I take that in replace of the Caber or do both? Or, just stay on Caber?

    I've done both TB500 and HGH in the past both with great success. Financial troubles had me stop taking HGH but I'm back in a position to running it again. I will prob. take a theraputic dosage of 1-2 IU's per day.
    I don't like Winstrol at all. I tried it twice and hated both times (injectable and oral). If I was going to use an oral Id do Anavar .

    I would inverses the B6 and Caber - so as you ramp up B6 you would decrease caber. It's not a gaurentee so labwork is important, A lot of the research showing B6 to control prolactin is wish-washy.

    If you don't have lab work coming up I would introduce the Deca. Two 19nors are synergistic. Nandrolone has the anabolism whereas Tren gives the Androgenic .

    I think the minimum effective dose of HGH from a bodybuilding perspective is 3IU. If it's just for wellness then 2IU is fine. 1IU is just spinning tires in my opinion
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    It's been almost a month now and I haven't added Deca back in. I stayed on Winny for another week and a half and my shoulder pain was unbearable where I could barely even train. I came off that and I took a week off from the gym for vacation. (I planned on training on vacation but figured I needed a break) I also came off of Tren and I'm currently only on a mild dosage of Test E at 750mg/week. Right now I actually feel good. Hitting the gym in another hour or so and that will be the first test. I def. think my body needed to take a break as I haven't been out of the gym for more than a few days in forever. I'm debating about going back on the .75mg of Deca a week but I'm going to wait it out a little longer.

    As for the sexual sides I was seeing with not being able to finish without nearly killing myself and going limp-ish before orgasm those are gone. Now, I'm kind of finishing sooner than I would like but my g/f is happy and my orgasms are much stronger and more volume. Not sure if it's a coincidence but I'm def. guessing it's not.

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    At those low doses of tren and deca you should not have prolactin issues.
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