Estrogen control and K-cups (plastic)

[Quester]

I am shopping for a coffee maker and Costco is gonna have a sale on those K-cup things, in a week. So, I'm interested but something occured to be about not heating food in plastic containers in the microwave. So, I google "is the plastic in K-cups safe" and got this.
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Most Plastic Products Release Estrogenic Chemicals: A Potential Health Problem That Can Be Solved

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3222987/
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Estrogenic chemicals often leach from BPA-free plastic products that are replacements for BPA-containing polycarbonate products.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24886603
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Large effects from small exposures. III. Endocrine mechanisms mediating effects of bisphenol A at levels of human exposure.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16690810
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Summary, the type of plastic (almost all plastics do this) that K-cups are made from release chemicals, when heated, that disrupt the endocrine system and increase estrogen in all humans.
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I still want one but can't get one without solid evidence to the contrary.

[i_SLAM_cougars]

I don’t have any medical studies or anything, but I’ve been using one of these coffee makers for the last 7 years or so, and most of those 7 years I was not on steroids .

My estrogen tested in the lower range of normal last December.

Then again I’m one of those people that can blast high levels of aromatizing compounds and I don’t gave issues. So who knows?

[balance]

I doubt you will get a lot of input on this topic but I actually do find it extremely interesting. I too am a huge coffee lover and have thought about trying to reduce my (and my families) exposure to foods and liquids that have been exposed to hot plastic materials. You can show me all the studies in the world but the idea of it just doesn’t sound healthy to me long term.

As far as coffee goes I drank k cups for years and in summary they all seriously suck if you know what a good cup of coffee should taste like. Now onto other choices most other cheap drip coffee makers (using regular ground coffee) have the hot water running trough the plastic basket mechanics just prior to filling the glass coffee pot. So with these while the coffee actually tastes decent the plastic issue is still there. Best cheap alternative for decent coffee is using the old school percolator method pots, they are all metal construction and work nicely but are a bit messy in cleanup. There’s also the French press methods which makes a great cup of coffee but I don’t have the patience for these either due to cleanup, also worth mentioning I have read that this method actually greatly increases the coffees cholesterol content due to allowing all the oils not being filtered out. Now finally my current favorite by far is the Nespresso virtuoso coffee maker. The pods are metal (recyclable) and majority of mechanics are also metal and the coffee quality (taste) is amazing. This coffee maker seriously makes k cups taste like brown water. Down side to nespresso is that they are not widely available yet so when ordering the pods you can use their app or go online.

Now other items to consider are reducing intake of bottled water and heating anything in the microwave made of plastic even if it says it’s safe (example frozen plastic bags of veggies). At end of day though I often ask myself is this futile as most residences are fitted with plastic plumbing?

Lastly if your running gear or trt and a full grown adult how much these things really matter is a good question (considering your running exogenous test and how much you aromatize is likely already predetermined). However if you have children in your home these are things that should be considered imo.


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[Test Monsterone]

Yeah, I'm not sure what would make someone want to drink coffee from one of those plastic things. My ex girlfriend had one and they sucked. Get a coffee grinder and buy those Kirkland coffee bean bags. Tastes way better and it's way healthier.

Sometimes we can't avoid plastics, though. Like when you order chinese food, and they give you your food or soup in those plastic containers. You touch the container and it's scalding. That can't be good. But laziness prevails.

[Windex]

Don't have K cup experience but in general ...avoiding plastics is huge. Same as aluminum and mercury.

Switching from plastic to glass tupperware is one of the best things you can do. Also avoiding aluminum cookware goes a long way (cast iron is king).

[Mooseman33]

so let me get this straight.

I now have to have a run either an AI to drink coffee or run mast prop with it.

Shit is getting out of hand, I drink the shit out of the k-cups.

[almostgone]

Well....the title threw me. Estrogen....K cups.

Anyway, I went through the same battle with trying to ditch BPA containing products, don't recall the brand, only to find they posted more studies railing against plastic, aluminum, pretty much everything in general.

I think if it isn't glass or good quality stainless they will always be finding new contaminants.

[Quester]

I should'a kept quiet. Now I gotta worry about aluminum, plumbing, Chinese food (is it capital C for chinese even if it is grown locally, made by Mexicans, and delivered by bubba?)...
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But, the convincing argument is that it taste like crap and costs $100 (Costco has a sale starting on the 8th). I have a French press but how much caffine am I getting (and cholesterol, now). Definitely going to check out the Nestle thing.
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[Quester]

You guys, especially balance, gave me some good info to research. Here's what I found:
BPA-free: https://www.homegrounds.co/best-bpa-free-coffee-makers/
Additionally, paper filters are necessary to remove Cafestol which raises LDL (so no french press' or permanent filters)
So I found one from the above list that uses paper filters and is less than $50 (It costs $49.99 at Home depot).
https://www.homedepot.com/p/Hamilton...-302921339-_-N

[balance]

Looks good for $50. I would definitely pop it out of the box at home depot to take a look at what the basket and doohickey that has coffee pour over it right before entering glass pot just to confirm the material used.

Either way though you are way better off than those blasted k cups.


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[Test Monsterone]

You guys, especially balance, gave me some good info to research. Here's what I found:
BPA-free: https://www.homegrounds.co/best-bpa-free-coffee-makers/
Additionally, paper filters are necessary to remove Cafestol which raises LDL (so no french press' or permanent filters)
So I found one from the above list that uses paper filters and is less than $50 (It costs $49.99 at Home depot).
https://www.homedepot.com/p/Hamilton...-302921339-_-N

I've heard about that... unfortunately all I have is a french press, and I prefer it to regular coffee. Fortunately, I don't drink much coffee. My LDL is always good, it's my HDL that blows.

[Ashop]

I used to drink a massive amount of coffee from K Cups until my machine went out. I switched over to a coffee percolator and never looked back

[GearHeaded]

do you know what increases Estrogen levels 100x more then plastic does ? testosterone

just saying

[kelkel]

so let me get this straight.

I now have to have a run either an AI to drink coffee or run mast prop with it.

Shit is getting out of hand, I drink the shit out of the k-cups.

Either that or how's your vagina?

[kelkel]

do you know what increases Estrogen levels 100x more then plastic does ? testosterone

just saying

The nerve.....

[Quester]

do you know what increases Estrogen levels 100x more then plastic does ? testosterone

just saying

So, I can keep loading my syringes with K-cup coffee?

[GearHeaded]

I'm just saying, why are we worried about a little bit of possible estrogen getting into our body from plastic when we are injecting massive amounts of it from the gear we run . I mean heck a lot of us , depending on our physique goals, are purposely injecting things to increase our estrogen levels (the only reason I run a gram or two of test on some of my cycles is for the estrogen conversion). estrogen is a health promoting, heart protective, muscle building hormone so why would we be worried about it to the point that we'd not use plastic products cause we are afraid of estrogen (unless estrogen from plastic is some sort of biologically different and toxic form of estrogen, idk)

[Test Monsterone]

The following article talks about the effects of phthalates and BPA on a number of things. It was found that BPA used in plastics is an endocrine disruptor and has negative effects on newborns and fetuses. I read somewhere that there may be an association between autism and the use of plastics in food and beverages. Over the past 20 years, we have used more and more plastics, in addition to more and more children being diagnosed with autism.

Phthalates, chemicals found in more rigid plastics, have been associated with increased risk of prostate cancer.

https://www.earthday.org/2018/03/14/...-human-health/

[Mooseman33]

Either that or how's your vagina?

risk the vagina.

[GearHeaded]

The following article talks about the effects of phthalates and BPA on a number of things. It was found that BPA used in plastics is an endocrine disruptor and has negative effects on newborns and fetuses. I read somewhere that there may be an association between autism and the use of plastics in food and beverages. Over the past 20 years, we have used more and more plastics, in addition to more and more children being diagnosed with autism.

Phthalates, chemicals found in more rigid plastics, have been associated with increased risk of prostate cancer.

https://www.earthday.org/2018/03/14/...-human-health/

this is good information to know . I think there may be risks from over use of plastics. I'm just not thinking estrogen is one of those risks. I think the idea that estrogen is a risk comes from a false understanding where estrogen is seen as a negative female only hormone, and that idea has penetrated the male psyche and so we automatically demonize it. but as I've stated before, more and more research and understanding of the hormone estrogen has come out showing it to be a very needed hormone for cardiovascular health, cholesterol support (estrogen processes in the liver and kicks out HDL cholesterol,, part of the reason why your good cholesterol, HDL, will go to shit if you use AI's and lower your estrogen), muscle building via growth factors like HGH and IGF output, bone support, vascular support (keeps your vascular system healthy and elastic) etc.. also , despite popular belief, Testosterone does NOT control the male libido , estrogen does.
why do you think males produce estrogen via the aromatase enzyme contained in fat cells ? why is it in fat ? so that the male libdo and procreation can be controlled during times of famine, thats why. mammals generally do not, should not, procreate and have off spring during times of starvation and famine (if you can't feed yourself you can't feed offspring).. so what happens in a famine . your fat stores plummet. your estrogen levels then plummet, and your libido goes to zero (because estrogen is what drives the male libido). and so now you won't procreate. thats why estrogen is produced by aromatase enzymes contained in fat cells . theres a reason for everything . it wasn't just based on coincidence that this is the case.
during times of feast and good health, your estrogen levels should be high and your libido high. low estrogen is a sign of sickness and starvation.

[balance]

I totally agree with GH on this in reference to grown men and the plastics being endocrine disrupters, we are likely doing astronomically more disruption running trt levels of test.

Now with that being said if you have young ones in your home with yet to be fully developed endocrine systems this issue is something imo parents should consciously make efforts to make mitigate exposure to things that could pose hazardous. I have young children in my home that drink milk, water, seltzer water, tea, and yes coffee. The kids can drink coffee with real cream but are not allowed to add sugar or any sweeteners. So I have given this coffee thing some thought as I believe most would. We also try to use toaster oven over the microwave as much as possible. When the microwave is used we don’t heat anything plastic related.

Will these things ultimately make an impact on my children’s health I have no idea. Making efforts with the best current information we have is all we can do. This is all just the opinion of someone who drank their fare share from the garden hose on the side of the house growing up.


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[Windex]

I should'a kept quiet. Now I gotta worry about aluminum, plumbing, Chinese food (is it capital C for chinese even if it is grown locally, made by Mexicans, and delivered by bubba?)...
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But, the convincing argument is that it taste like crap and costs $100 (Costco has a sale starting on the 8th). I have a French press but how much caffine am I getting (and cholesterol, now). Definitely going to check out the Nestle thing.
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Don't forget

- Fake olive oil
- Fake honey
- carcinogenic cookware
- fake BPA free plastics
- tape water that is recycled sewage water

[Bonaparte]

I don't see the appeal.
The machine is expensive, the K-cups are expensive, they make shitty weak coffee, and they're terrible for the environment (tons of plastic going into landfills).

[Old Duffer]

I don't see the appeal.
The machine is expensive, the K-cups are expensive, they make shitty weak coffee, and they're terrible for the environment (tons of plastic going into landfills).

It's only money. I just make more

Not if you mail order them

Depends on the grind you buy but I like shitty & weak

Screw the environment. What's it ever done for me?









.... Sry. Couldn't resist ;-)

[almostgone]

Still the title gets me.... Estrogen....K cups. That would be a woman with a very large chest!!!

[Family_guy]

this is good information to know . I think there may be risks from over use of plastics. I'm just not thinking estrogen is one of those risks. I think the idea that estrogen is a risk comes from a false understanding where estrogen is seen as a negative female only hormone, and that idea has penetrated the male psyche and so we automatically demonize it. but as I've stated before, more and more research and understanding of the hormone estrogen has come out showing it to be a very needed hormone for cardiovascular health, cholesterol support (estrogen processes in the liver and kicks out HDL cholesterol,, part of the reason why your good cholesterol, HDL, will go to shit if you use AI's and lower your estrogen), muscle building via growth factors like HGH and IGF output, bone support, vascular support (keeps your vascular system healthy and elastic) etc.. also , despite popular belief, Testosterone does NOT control the male libido , estrogen does.
why do you think males produce estrogen via the aromatase enzyme contained in fat cells ? why is it in fat ? so that the male libdo and procreation can be controlled during times of famine, thats why. mammals generally do not, should not, procreate and have off spring during times of starvation and famine (if you can't feed yourself you can't feed offspring).. so what happens in a famine . your fat stores plummet. your estrogen levels then plummet, and your libido goes to zero (because estrogen is what drives the male libido). and so now you won't procreate. thats why estrogen is produced by aromatase enzymes contained in fat cells . theres a reason for everything . it wasn't just based on coincidence that this is the case.
during times of feast and good health, your estrogen levels should be high and your libido high. low estrogen is a sign of sickness and starvation.

I think GH is right to a large extent. Fuck man do you actually know what’s in the gear that guy is brewing in his “lab”??? Not really! I think the estrogenic effect isn’t the issue here. Plastics are bad for so many reasons(environmental especially) but I think in terms of endocrine disruption that would be a concern for developing children of course. Especially young women! Not to be a perv but fuck man most 12-13 year olds that are full blown women in terms of physical development now a days! That’s due to a bunch of environmental and societal factors. Anyways that’s my .02

Great topic btw this got a lot of traction!

[i_SLAM_cougars]

Guess I should stop using plastic syringes and switch over to glass.

[balance]

Guess I should stop using plastic syringes and switch over to glass.

I know some people like to preload syringes, to use at a later date. While I might do this occasionally (actually pretty rare) I definitely would not preload a pin and let it sit in the plastic for extended periods of time. Then again I don’t buy olive oil or other cooking oils in plastic bottles either. Quality cooking oils don’t come in plastic.


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[balance]

I think GH is right to a large extent. Fuck man do you actually know what’s in the gear that guy is brewing in his “lab”??? Not really! I think the estrogenic effect isn’t the issue here. Plastics are bad for so many reasons(environmental especially) but I think in terms of endocrine disruption that would be a concern for developing children of course. Especially young women! Not to be a perv but fuck man most 12-13 year olds that are full blown women in terms of physical development now a days! That’s due to a bunch of environmental and societal factors. Anyways that’s my .02

Great topic btw this got a lot of traction!

It is crazy. There are even instances of infants entering puberty. These cases are not likely linked to environmental factors but it is scary nonetheless. Clinically I don’t think puberty is considered too early unless the child is under the age of 8 or so, but that is an equally scary situation for children and parents. A while back I remember someone mentioning a study to me about children and puberty. Iirc for boys basically every year after the age 13 the child enters puberty the child is likely to ultimately grow an extra inch taller at full mature height.


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