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    Long ester compounds = long cycles = BS

    I'm on a damn role guys.. new thread after new thread today (actually I'm just under the weather and stuck on the couch today with my laptop in front of me)


    so you've heard it propagated over and over again online. if your going to run long ester compounds like Deca and EQ (and even Test e) you need to run them for a pretty long duration (like 14+ weeks) because they are long esters that take so long to "kick in".
    but if you run their short ester counterparts instead, like NPP and Test prop, you can run that cycle much much shorter, like just 6 weeks, because they "kick in" faster.


    well I'm going to dispel this 'myth' to a certain degree (not that I have a dog in this fight at all, I'm all for long cycles).

    in Veterinary medicine you have long ester and short ester AAS as options. also in veterinary medicine they use short ester and long ester drugs completely opposite of the advice that is given above and touted in bodybuilding a lot.
    its the opposite . long esters are given for short duration, and short esters are administered for longer duration.

    when a rancher has a sick 600 pound bull he is likely going to chose the convenience of something like EQ where he only has to round up that bull and inject him with 200mg of EQ twice per week for only 2 weeks..being its a long ester compound it doesn't require frequent injections, and it will last for weeks even after the last injection. you really don't want to round that bull up for daily injections of Winny V for weeks on end. the reason you have to keep running the Winny until the bull is no longer sick, is because it only lasts for a day or so cause its a short ester.

    now maybe if this same rancher has a sick 100 pound baby calf that he's monitoring daily anyhow.. the Winny V makes sense. its a short ester and requires daily injection and longer term use until the effects are realized.



    see how this is totally ass backwards compared to what you hear on bodybuilding forums


    NO ,, you don't have to run 500mg of EQ for 14 weeks straight just because its a long ester. thats 7000mg total of EQ , instead , you can inject all 7000mg in say 5-7 weeks (running 1000-1200 per week) and stop injecting it and let the drug do its job for weeks on end after the last injection . just like the rancher does with his bull.
    in fact, its the short esters you may need to run longer. because to get 12 weeks worth of results from test prop, you need to run it for 12 actual weeks simply because its out of your system a couple days after your last injection.


    just something to think about . again based on veterinary medicine and not bodybuilding bro science.

    when you guys see someone posting "I'm going to run 600mg of Deca for 8 weeks" ,, and your Automatic "parrot" response is ,, "no you need to run Deca at least 14 weeks cause its such a long ester" ,, you should really have a reason why your saying that rather then just propagating and parroting stuff you've seen other people post on forums for years.
    just put more thought and research into the things you say and advice you give rather then repeating stuff that may actually be BS. or things you never actually took the time to sit back and think about.
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    I think people misinterpret the difference between "kicking in" and "peak saturation". It's almost like people think the first 6 weeks of injection the body hides the hormone for safekeeping then when week 7 comes up the flood gates open.

    From the very first injection the hormone is in your body. Easiest way to prove this :

    At the time, I was on only 120mg of Test (3x40mg). My monday injection I injected 40mg of Test and 50mg of Deca for the very first time. I then went to get bloodwork done (maybe 18-20 hours later) and got Free Test checked. Normally I'd be around 550-650 (Range is 136-665 IiRC). Instead, my result was 2700ish. So obviously the deca is in my system after only a day.
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    (((((NO ,, you don't have to run 500mg of EQ for 14 weeks straight just because its a long ester. thats 7000mg total of EQ , instead , you can inject all 7000mg in say 5-7 weeks (running 1000-1200 per week) and stop injecting it and let the drug do its job for weeks on end after the last injection . just like the rancher does with his bull.

    in fact, its the short esters you may need to run longer. because to get 12 weeks worth of results from test prop, you need to run it for 12 actual weeks simply because its out of your system a couple days after your last injection.)))))))))




    As u said brother. ..
    600mg is the sweet spot fr EQ..
    Can v inject 1000mg per week for 5 to 6 weeks..and the reduce the dosage for next few weeks and stop 2 or 3 weeks before the end of cyle. To get away from body before the cycle ends???


    Can it be done.such a way with out any sides??.

    If so can v go wth Test E . With more mg as its a long ester while starting the cycle to kick in. To reap more results?.

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    I agree, but by frontloading. When you say you are running 500 mg for 8 weeks itís not true. Your time at 500 mg is probably more like 5 weeks. Yes it stays in your system longer, but not at 500.


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    Quote Originally Posted by charger69 View Post
    I agree, but by frontloading. When you say you are running 500 mg for 8 weeks it’s not true. Your time at 500 mg is probably more like 5 weeks. Yes it stays in your system longer, but not at 500.
    well in Veterinary medicine they don't front load . 4 injections of EQ over a span of 2 weeks does the job just fine.. but the short ester scenario would require about 20 injections over 4+ weeks. thats 5 times the amount of injections and twice the length of time to illicit similar results

    of course vet medicine has a lot to do with convenience, and bodybuilding is more about results and getting jacked apart from convenience.


    lets do the math.. lets say the long ester is only absorbed at about 10% per day (that doesn't sound like much) . so I see your point that "your only at 500mg more like 5 weeks",, because that absorption is so much lower and slower. BUT , 10% of 1000 mg a week is still 140 mg per day . thats still way higher per day then 100% absorption rate of 50mg of Winstrol per day.

    so you see why the rancher would much rather go with the long ester, at a higher dosage, and shorter duration.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Windex View Post
    I think people misinterpret the difference between "kicking in" and "peak saturation". It's almost like people think the first 6 weeks of injection the body hides the hormone for safekeeping then when week 7 comes up the flood gates open.

    From the very first injection the hormone is in your body. Easiest way to prove this :

    At the time, I was on only 120mg of Test (3x40mg). My monday injection I injected 40mg of Test and 50mg of Deca for the very first time. I then went to get bloodwork done (maybe 18-20 hours later) and got Free Test checked. Normally I'd be around 550-650 (Range is 136-665 IiRC). Instead, my result was 2700ish. So obviously the deca is in my system after only a day.
    this is a great point and great anecdotal evidence of how AAS 'really works' in the body

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    Quote Originally Posted by jack7 View Post
    (((((NO ,, you don't have to run 500mg of EQ for 14 weeks straight just because its a long ester. thats 7000mg total of EQ , instead , you can inject all 7000mg in say 5-7 weeks (running 1000-1200 per week) and stop injecting it and let the drug do its job for weeks on end after the last injection . just like the rancher does with his bull.

    in fact, its the short esters you may need to run longer. because to get 12 weeks worth of results from test prop, you need to run it for 12 actual weeks simply because its out of your system a couple days after your last injection.)))))))))




    As u said brother. ..
    600mg is the sweet spot fr EQ..
    Can v inject 1000mg per week for 5 to 6 weeks..and the reduce the dosage for next few weeks and stop 2 or 3 weeks before the end of cyle. To get away from body before the cycle ends???


    Can it be done.such a way with out any sides??.

    If so can v go wth Test E . With more mg as its a long ester while starting the cycle to kick in. To reap more results?.

    Jus learning from u..

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    well wither you inject 500mg of EQ for 12 weeks,, or 1000mg of EQ for 6 weeks . your total dosage over the duration is exactly the same. AND being your dealing with a long ester with steady absorption rates, its not like after 6 weeks that 6000mg is done and over with, its going to keep working for nearly 9 weeks .


    my theory is that 1000mg of EQ for 6 weeks, within a 12 week training block.. is going to provide the same, or even more gains, then the exact same "total dosage" of 500mg for 12 weeks, over the same 12 week training block.

    and for practical purposes, the 1000mg of eq for only 6 weeks (when you have a 12 week training block you can work with) allows you to move on from EQ after 6 weeks and right into another compound for another 6 weeks .. as opposed to just running the EQ at lower dosages for 12 weeks straight .
    you can go right from an anabolic phase to an androgenic phase within the same time frame

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