Tren and Masteron Benefits?

[wizzy]

Hey guys, something that isn't quite clear to me is how do these two work so synergistically together?
I had to take a 3 month break due for reasons and was not allowed to train.
Went from 205lbs 8% BF to 202lbs 15% BF.
When starting my recomp I started with Test Prop 100mg EOD.
Now my favourite compound is Tren and Anavar . Sitting currently at around 207lbs at 13-14% I was thinking of running the following to return to former physique.
Tren Ace 100-150mg EOD (Starting with 100mg for few weeks as I like ramping)
Test Prop 50mg EOD
Anavar 50mg ED.
2.5IU Humatrope 1 hour before fasted cardio for 45 mins Daily.

Now is there any reason say why I should use Masteron at 525mg/Week instead of anavar as I am not single digit yet to reap the rewards.
After this I plan to switch to
Test Prop 50mg EOD, while introducing Test Enth to cruise till summer time.

[JaneDoe]

Masteron bloqueia receptores de prolactina

[AR's King Silabolin]

Masteron bloqueia receptores de prolactina

New to me. Strange severe experiened forum members never mentioned that possibillity. .

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[Thors_Hammer]

https://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-...mast-dose.html

Post 19 in this thread is from GearHeaded and he covers it well to answer your question

[JaneDoe]

GearHeaded
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from my understating, Masteron blunts estrogen sensitivity via the progestin loop. progestins sensitize your estrogen receptors to estrogen. this is why you can get tren gyno even though it doesn't convert to estrogen , its because tren as a progestin will act on progestin receptors and make you hyper sensitize to the low amounts of estrogen you do have.. Masteron simply blunts this process keeping you from becoming hyper sensitive to estrogen even in the presence of progestins (which is why it works great being ran with 19 nor progestins like tren and deca ).

also, mast is fairly androgenic (though on paper it isn't rated that high) . both directly and indirectly. its directly androgenic in that it will bind to androgen receptors and relay androgenic properties to cells, and its indirectly androgenic in that it will lower SHBG which will then free up a lot more DHT into the blood stream.
elevated androgen levels in the body will counter the "feminizing" effects that estrogen can have , even if your estrogen levels are high.
which is why its also an old school approach to run Halotestin (the most androgenic AAS out there) to counter gyno symptoms.
androgens have a way of countering/offsetting negative estrogen effects.

so no Mast is not working like an AI at all or killing your estrogen levels. its working though much different pathways and actually working much better and healthier then an AI , imo .

having high estrogen levels is actually a good thing on cycle . the problem with high estrogen only is a problem if your androgen levels are super low. with both elevated estrogen and elevated androgen levels there becomes a synergy between the two and you will make better gains..


running Mast , I recommend 100mg EOD for a general cycle (much higher if in contest prep).


interesting side note - just like progesterone will sensitize estrogen receptors to estrogen, estrogen itself will sensitize androgen receptors to androgens (which is why crushing estrogen going into a cycle is a bad idea and going to limit the success of your cycle and the AAS having effect on receptors)

Last edited by GearHeaded; 11-01-2019 at 05:54 PM.

[JaneDoe]

wikipedia

Drostanolone propionate , through its active form, drostanolone, interacts with RA and activates a cascade of genetic alterations, including increased protein synthesis (anabolism) and decreased amino acid degradation (catabolism). It also induces a reduction or inhibition of prolactin or estrogen receptors in the breast, which is associated with their antitumor effects. [8]

[JaneDoe]

Rei Silabolin de AR Novo para mim. Membros estranhos e experientes do fórum nunca mencionaram essa possibilidade. .

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só para você é algo novo, porque muitos já sabem que Masteron tem a capacidade de inibir a prolactina. ainda mais quando usamos esteróides progestógenos 19-nor

[JaneDoe]

Membros estranhos

e experientes do fórum nunca mencionaram essa possibilidade. .

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Strange limbs? What did you mean by this statement?

[wizzy]

GearHeaded
Anabolic Member

Join DateNov 2017Posts6,282

from my understating, Masteron blunts estrogen sensitivity via the progestin loop. progestins sensitize your estrogen receptors to estrogen. this is why you can get tren gyno even though it doesn't convert to estrogen , its because tren as a progestin will act on progestin receptors and make you hyper sensitize to the low amounts of estrogen you do have.. Masteron simply blunts this process keeping you from becoming hyper sensitive to estrogen even in the presence of progestins (which is why it works great being ran with 19 nor progestins like tren and deca ).

also, mast is fairly androgenic (though on paper it isn't rated that high) . both directly and indirectly. its directly androgenic in that it will bind to androgen receptors and relay androgenic properties to cells, and its indirectly androgenic in that it will lower SHBG which will then free up a lot more DHT into the blood stream.
elevated androgen levels in the body will counter the "feminizing" effects that estrogen can have , even if your estrogen levels are high.
which is why its also an old school approach to run Halotestin (the most androgenic AAS out there) to counter gyno symptoms.
androgens have a way of countering/offsetting negative estrogen effects.

so no Mast is not working like an AI at all or killing your estrogen levels. its working though much different pathways and actually working much better and healthier then an AI , imo .

having high estrogen levels is actually a good thing on cycle . the problem with high estrogen only is a problem if your androgen levels are super low. with both elevated estrogen and elevated androgen levels there becomes a synergy between the two and you will make better gains..


running Mast , I recommend 100mg EOD for a general cycle (much higher if in contest prep).


interesting side note - just like progesterone will sensitize estrogen receptors to estrogen, estrogen itself will sensitize androgen receptors to androgens (which is why crushing estrogen going into a cycle is a bad idea and going to limit the success of your cycle and the AAS having effect on receptors)

Last edited by GearHeaded; 11-01-2019 at 05:54 PM.

Right that makes sense to me. Hows this look for the moment
50mg Test EOD
100mg Mast EOD
100mg Tren EOD
2.5 IU Humatrope (Ramping to 4IU)

Tempted to throw anavar for the abdominal fat loss (its where its all accumulated T_T) but might be overkill. I'm hyper responding atm. Thoughts?

[Windex]

Right that makes sense to me. Hows this look for the moment
50mg Test EOD
100mg Mast EOD
100mg Tren EOD
2.5 IU Humatrope (Ramping to 4IU)

Tempted to throw anavar for the abdominal fat loss (its where its all accumulated T_T) but might be overkill. I'm hyper responding atm. Thoughts?

Short esters should be injected every day. Graph it on steroidcalc to see for yourself.

If you can't lose fat on Tren with GH then your diet and training are garbage.

[GearHeaded]

wikipedia
Drostanolone propionate , through its active form, drostanolone, interacts with RA and activates a cascade of genetic alterations, including increased protein synthesis (anabolism) and decreased amino acid degradation (catabolism). It also induces a reduction or inhibition of prolactin or estrogen receptors in the breast, which is associated with their antitumor effects.

its good to see guys like Davimeireles paying attention to posts with an open mind and taking his time to do his own research as well

[i_SLAM_cougars]

its good to see guys like Davimeireles paying attention to posts with an open mind and taking his time to do his own research as well

anti-tumor effects? Fuck yeah, throw it in mix.

Kinda out of context... Does mast make anyone else just like... feel good? Which I feel is sort of uncharacteristic of most heavy androgens

[Gallowmere]

anti-tumor effects? Fuck yeah, throw it in mix.

Kinda out of context... Does mast make anyone else just like... feel good? Which I feel is sort of uncharacteristic of most heavy androgens

I’m finding more and more that if what you’re taking is making you feel like shit, you can solve a lot by lowering the damned dose. Even Dbol , which seems to make everyone feel fantastic at sensible doses can quickly bite you in the ass if you get stupid with it.

That said, mast is likely to be my first DHT that I try once I know how the 19-nors treat my body.