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    1st Test Cycle Dosage For Someone Already On TRT

    I've been on doctor prescribed TRT for many many years. Currently take 400 mg test cypionate every 10 days. Planning on doing a 3 month cycle supplementing what I currently receive from my doctor, using test cypionate and armidex only with HCG post cycle. I know there is a lot of information out there for recommended dosage for a first time cycle which should be on the lower end. Unsure on what would be a good dosage for someone like me who has already been receiving TRT for some time...I guess this wouldn't be considered a 1st time cycle? Am considering doing 600 mg per week or possibly 750 mg per week. I'm 47 and have only been lifting for 2 years now. Curious if anyone has had any experience having been in this situation, would love some feedback.
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    Eu tomaria 600 mg de testosterone per week, parece uma boa dose.
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    400mg once every 10 days is an absolute horrible trt protocol
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    It is not a good idea AI, as it will leave you in a bad state for your recovery.


    It's bad PCT with very low estrogen; you will be stressed and irritated all the time.




    The best you can do is to include HCG during this cycle, from start to finish, at a dosage of 500 to 750 ui per week to keep your natural testosterone production on .


    Then later you would do PCT SERMS: Nolvadex and Clomid together.








    For example




    If you used testo enanthate in your cycle, the active life of testosterone enanthate is 14 days.


    So you would have to start Nolvadex and Clomid PCT together -


    14 days after the last application of your testosterone enanthate.

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    Concordo com Cuz, seria eficiente tomar de 600 a 750 mg por semana.


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    Quote Originally Posted by chiasere View Post
    I've been on doctor prescribed TRT for many many years. Currently take 400 mg test cypionate every 10 days. Planning on doing a 3 month cycle supplementing what I currently receive from my doctor, using test cypionate and armidex only with HCG post cycle. I know there is a lot of information out there for recommended dosage for a first time cycle which should be on the lower end. Unsure on what would be a good dosage for someone like me who has already been receiving TRT for some time...I guess this wouldn't be considered a 1st time cycle? Am considering doing 600 mg per week or possibly 750 mg per week. I'm 47 and have only been lifting for 2 years now. Curious if anyone has had any experience having been in this situation, would love some feedback.
    For HRT You need weekly doses, split into ideally 3 times per week injections. Your weekly total should be roughly;

    100-200mg Test
    750-1500IU HCG
    ZERO Ai

    with Vitamin K2, Calciferol, and DHEA Daily

    What are your stats aside from age? Height, weight, body fat ?

    What has the last 2 years looked like? Where did you start and where are you now?

    What specifically are your end goals?

    Is HRT self administered or are you handcuffed to a doctor / clinic ?

    You don't need to do Test only coming from HRT. That actually might be one of the less ideal options.0
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    I’d do around 700. The first 5 times I would say is a learning curve. I am only on my 3.5 cycle... I ran some compounds at lower dosages during TRT only. I’m still figuring out the compounds and what I like and don’t like. I am learning about side effects of said compounds and trying to find a happy medium.

    I know what Windex is saying about trying other compounds, but I would just do an all testosterone cycle first just to see how it feels at higher than TRT dosages. I would do just one compound at a time until you figure out how they make you feel. Or if you already know how 2 compounds feel together, add a third. And that’s down the line.

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    (HRT) É terapia de reposição hormonal ???

    Que diferença da TRT, desculpe pela minha ignorância?

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    Quote Originally Posted by davimeireles View Post
    (HRT) É terapia de reposição hormonal ???

    Que diferença da TRT, desculpe pela minha ignorância?

    HRT = Hormone Replacement Therapy
    TRT = Testosterone Replacement Therapy

    There is no difference. It’s like saying liquid vs fluid. Hormone is a more general term that encompasses testosterone , estrogen, and other hormones. It could mean women that undergo menopause and get HRT... but typically, nowadays, it’s used to mean male hormone (testosterone) replacement therapy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Test Monsterone View Post
    HRT = Hormone Replacement Therapy
    TRT = Testosterone Replacement Therapy

    There is no difference. It’s like saying liquid vs fluid. Hormone is a more general term that encompasses testosterone, estrogen, and other hormones. It could mean women that undergo menopause and get HRT... but typically, nowadays, it’s used to mean male hormone (testosterone) replacement therapy.
    Very well explained, thanks brother. Now it's clearer to me
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    Quote Originally Posted by Test Monsterone View Post
    I’d do around 700. The first 5 times I would say is a learning curve. I am only on my 3.5 cycle... I ran some compounds at lower dosages during TRT only. I’m still figuring out the compounds and what I like and don’t like. I am learning about side effects of said compounds and trying to find a happy medium.

    I know what Windex is saying about trying other compounds, but I would just do an all testosterone cycle first just to see how it feels at higher than TRT dosages. I would do just one compound at a time until you figure out how they make you feel. Or if you already know how 2 compounds feel together, add a third. And that’s down the line.
    Going from a broken 400mg TRT protocol to 700mg of Test is not a cycle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Windex View Post
    Going from a broken 400mg TRT protocol to 700mg of Test is not a cycle.
    This exactly. The average male produces about 70mg of test naturally per week. After subtracting Ester weight, 400mg is closer to 280-328 (depending upon ester). Dude is already on a cycle at 400/week, albeit a mild one by most metrics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gallowmere View Post
    This exactly. The average male produces about 70mg of test naturally per week. After subtracting Ester weight, 400mg is closer to 280-328 (depending upon ester). Dude is already on a cycle at 400/week, albeit a mild one by most metrics.
    he is actually on 400mg evry 10 days which is...
    40mg/day or 280mg/week

    still is much more then a "normal" doctor would call TRT

    hell, some guys cycle on 250-350mg/week

    he is going to have to run at least 600mg/week to really get anything out of it IMO

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Deadlifting Dog View Post
    he is actually on 400mg evry 10 days which is...
    40mg/day or 280mg/week

    still is much more then a "normal" doctor would call TRT

    hell, some guys cycle on 250-350mg/week

    he is going to have to run at least 600mg/week to really get anything out of it IMO
    Ah, okay. That was a misread on my part. Either way, I’d be interested to see blood concentrations from it, since we all metabolize differently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Windex View Post
    Going from a broken 400mg TRT protocol to 700mg of Test is not a cycle.
    400 mg every 10 days... yeah that's not even TRT. I don't know who this guy's doctor is, but the doctor must be a fucking idiot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Test Monsterone View Post
    400 mg every 10 days... yeah that's not even TRT. I don't know who this guy's doctor is, but the doctor must be a fucking idiot.
    Could be an endo, urologist, or even your regular family medical dr. I have talked to all of the above and none of them knew a god fucking damn thing about testosterone lol

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    Hit 750 mg week for a dozen weeks.
    Enjoy.
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    Keep some nolva on hand in case you have gyno issues.

    Btw... Inject every 3.5 days
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cuz View Post
    Could be an endo, urologist, or even your regular family medical dr. I have talked to all of the above and none of them knew a god fucking damn thing about testosterone lol

    I think HRT should be in a class of it's own. Doctors should be able to specialize in HRT. The way it stands, you can have a number of different doctors prescribe testosterone , from (like you said) a urologist, endocrinologist, to regular family doc. The endo technically specializes in all the glands/hormones in the body, but HRT is a big enough sector that a new specialty could be developed just for it. We already have TRT clinics popping up everywhere. Yes some doctors choose to specialize in HRT, but it's a wild west out there with the standards and every doctor seems to be doing whatever they want, as evidenced by some of the crazy schedules we've seen real TRT patients being put on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Test Monsterone View Post
    I think HRT should be in a class of it's own. Doctors should be able to specialize in HRT. The way it stands, you can have a number of different doctors prescribe testosterone, from (like you said) a urologist, endocrinologist, to regular family doc. The endo technically specializes in all the glands/hormones in the body, but HRT is a big enough sector that a new specialty could be developed just for it. We already have TRT clinics popping up everywhere. Yes some doctors choose to specialize in HRT, but it's a wild west out there with the standards and every doctor seems to be doing whatever they want, as evidenced by some of the crazy schedules we've seen real TRT patients being put on.
    There are already tons of doctors that do HRT specialty and know what they are doing. It's just not easily accessible to the public.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Windex View Post
    There are already tons of doctors that do HRT specialty and know what they are doing. It's just not easily accessible to the public.
    Oh it is, the pubbies are just too concerned with making health insurance payments so they can further get ripped off by PCP copays. My total HRT bill estimate would be less than half what I’d pay for useless insurance that I’d never use. People’s priorities are just fucked.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gallowmere View Post
    Oh it is, the pubbies are just too concerned with making health insurance payments so they can further get ripped off by PCP copays. My total HRT bill estimate would be less than half what I’d pay for useless insurance that I’d never use. People’s priorities are just fucked.
    Money money...
    I have yet to see any doctor prescribe a medication correctly according to its half life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Windex View Post
    There are already tons of doctors that do HRT specialty and know what they are doing. It's just not easily accessible to the public.
    Right, but how do you know ahead of time? You're not just going to ask random people "hey do you know a good TRT doc?"

    If there was a set, research fortified, protocol(s), it would ensure that even the less-informed doctors would prescribe a good regimen.

    Before I ever did my first shot I went to a TRT clinic that wanted to sign me up for the year (I think it was about 2.5 grand) right away, no questions asked. I verbally told them my T was low, and it wasn't even that low (470), and they were going to take my word for it on the first visit.

    My buddy went to a different clinic and they were giving him 1 shot of 250 mg Test C, with Anastrazole mixed in the oil. Never had him do bloodwork the entire time he was with them.

    The problem is they're treating TRT like it's medical marijuana, sort of in a grey area. A lot of people end up going to these bullshit TRT clinics that are here today, gone tomorrow, just like the one I Went to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Test Monsterone View Post
    400 mg every 10 days... yeah that's not even TRT. I don't know who this guy's doctor is, but the doctor must be a fucking idiot.
    Seems the consensus on here is that 400mg every 10 days for my TRT is not ideal. I'm not arguing that it's not bad protocol but curious as to why it's not good.

    Previously was 400mg every 2 weeks. I walked into the gym just over 2 years ago obese, sedentary, having an awful diet and in terrible shape. I've lost about 120 lbs of fat and gotten pretty fit. Knowing little about testosterone therapy I was looking for any edge I could get, was focused on how much lean muscle mass I could add. My primary care doctor of 15 years was happy I was so focused on fitness and changing my life he switched it 400mg every 10 days with me pestering him about high of TRT I could go.

    A few people were asking here:

    I'm 6'3", 205, aprox 17% BF, trying to drop that a little before starting a higher dose cycle

    Last blood work I had I waited 17 days after last injection and was about 300 ng/dl. Since I normally receive injections every 10 days, the previous bloodwork was taken on the 10th day prior to be injected and was 689 ng/dL

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    Quote Originally Posted by chiasere View Post
    Seems the consensus on here is that 400mg every 10 days for my TRT is not ideal. I'm not arguing that it's not bad protocol but curious as to why it's not good.

    Previously was 400mg every 2 weeks. I walked into the gym just over 2 years ago obese, sedentary, having an awful diet and in terrible shape. I've lost about 120 lbs of fat and gotten pretty fit. Knowing little about testosterone therapy I was looking for any edge I could get, was focused on how much lean muscle mass I could add. My primary care doctor of 15 years was happy I was so focused on fitness and changing my life he switched it 400mg every 10 days with me pestering him about high of TRT I could go.

    A few people were asking here:

    I'm 6'3", 205, aprox 17% BF, trying to drop that a little before starting a higher dose cycle

    Last blood work I had I waited 17 days after last injection and was about 300 ng/dl. Since I normally receive injections every 10 days, the previous bloodwork was taken on the 10th day prior to be injected and was 689 ng/dL
    Please read this, everything is explained here (also check out the whole TRT section):

    https://forums.steroid.com/hormone-r...rting-trt.html
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    as previously said, you are on 280mg/week of test

    I am prescribed 80mg/week
    most real dcotors prescribe 80-100mg/week
    TRT doctors usually run 100-200mg/week

    If your blood levels are 689 10 days after injection, you are probably close to 1500+ 3-4 days after your injection.
    The normal natural range is somewhere around 300-1000 so.....

    You are basically running a lose dose cycle for life and...
    you are rollercostering you hormone levels...
    1 day after injection you are probably 2000 and you slowly drop to 689 before your next shot.

    The idea of TRT is to maintain normal healthy steady levels of test.
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