hcg or novladex combined with steroids.

[Conrad1980]

hcg or novladex combined with steroids . Have heard differences here. Many people recommend hcg 500iu a week while on steroids, to keep testicles running and to make pct easier. Others say that you should take novladex 20mg too 10mg eod while you are on steroids to produce lh ig fsh, to keep the testicles running again. What is the difference, what is common and what is best? Take both?

[Cylon357]

The goal of taking nolvadex is not typically to keep the testicles running. It is more often to prevent or reverse gynecomastia .

HCG DOES keep the boys functioning at least at some minimal level and thus can make PCT easier.

[kelkel]

What Cylon said above. Nolva will not keep your pituitary functioning and producing LH when on exogenous testosterone . If it did, there'd never be a need for PCT.

[Conrad1980]

Novla does not work to keep own production up? only for gyno. Did not mean that you did not need pct, but that pct becomes more effective, shorter and with smaller doses. It is probably then only hcg that keeps the balls alive on steroids . lh fsh from novla is probably crushed by testo.? thanks for reply. Has long considered hrt or trt. Trt plus 250mg testo + npp or boldedone. have not decided me. closes npp own production in the same way as deca ?.

[kelkel]

Novla does not work to keep own production up? only for gyno. Did not mean that you did not need pct, but that pct becomes more effective, shorter and with smaller doses. It is probably then only hcg that keeps the balls alive on steroids. lh fsh from novla is probably crushed by testo.? thanks for reply. Has long considered hrt or trt. Trt plus 250mg testo + npp or boldedone. have not decided me. closes npp own production in the same way as deca ?.

Nolva does not keep your own production up when on exogenous testosterone . If not on test then yes, it will stimulate production.
PCT is always more effective with serms.
Yes, HCG mimics LH thus keeping testicals functioning.

Not sure what you're asking regarding NPP and Deca , but nandrolones will shut your endogenous testosterone down with one shot whereas with testosterone its more of a gradual decline.

[Cakedup]

Nolva does not keep your own production up when on exogenous testosterone . If not on test then yes, it will stimulate production.
PCT is always more effective with serms.
Yes, HCG mimics LH thus keeping testicals functioning.

Not sure what you're asking regarding NPP and Deca, but nandrolones will shut your endogenous testosterone down with one shot whereas with testosterone its more of a gradual decline.

This exactly. Obviously Kelkel knows what he's talking about because this is exactly what I would have said.


If Nolvadex who is able to keep your LH producing while on testosterone then the million-dollar question is what would Clomid do while on cycle?

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[Conrad1980]

deca closes its own production for a long time and often needs a longer pct. More than testo. wonder if npp closes its own production as deca, even though it is shorter ester? google translate. so maybe a little weird English I write.

[Cylon357]

This exactly. Obviously Kelkel knows what he's talking about because this is exactly what I would have said.


If Nolvadex who is able to keep your LH producing while on testosterone then the million-dollar question is what would Clomid do while on cycle?

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Neither SERM will keep you producing while on cycle. Put simply, the test and other drugs overwhelm the SERMs.

It might be THEORETICALLY possible to design a protocol that utilizes both test and SERMs to avoid shutdown, but the dose of test would likely be so low and the dose of SERM would be so high that it wouldn't be worth it. You would be much better served just committing to one or the other.

I have read accounts of people that have avoided shutdown entirely by combining SARMs and SERMs and might attempt to replicate this at some point myself. But that has only been with Ostarine, not with the stronger SARMs like LGD or Rad140.

I thought @kelkel had spoken directly to this but maybe not: the ability to completely maintain HPTA function while on cycle is the Holy Grail of PED use. It might exist, but noone has found it yet, IF with current drugs it is even possible. I tend to lean towards "it ain't possible with current drugs", but who knows what the future holds? The popularity of TRT was brought about by a combination of a large aging population (Baby Boomers) and the experimentation of steroid users. Perhaps this process of innovation will build upon itself and in another generation we will have a 'Super Soldier' pill that has zero sides. But we aren't there yet.