Cruising on trt (hrt) dose, endocrine study results.

**Lethal Hamburger** · 02-01-2021, 08:05 PM

I recently had bloodwork done as part of trt protocol and recieved these results from 125mg test per week.

Result Status: Final Result (F)

LH <0.2 U/L ( 1-10 ) Low

Prolactin 219 mU/L ( 85-400 )
Taken: 1Feb21 11:34 hrs

Oestradiol 47 pmol/L
Male <190 pmol/L

Testosterone 48.8 nmol/L ( 9.0-25.0 )
Testosterone: please note that reference range stated is for adults only.

I had not blasted anything for sometime prior to this blood test and noticed an elevation from my normal testosterone reading of 33 nmol/L.
I never use ais, just serm nolva at 10mg daily during blasts only.
This is mysterious as nothing has changed protocol wise.

**kelkel** · 02-01-2021, 09:30 PM

Never a need to test LH on TRT or cycle. It will always be bottomed out as you're shut down. Save the money. So if my conversion is accurate you're around 1400 ng/dl and you were around 950. Arguably it could simply be due to the time of the test. If you tested a day or so earlier that the last test (33) then you would naturally be higher as test is still dropping. If that's the case it's a good learning tool. Always nice to know where you are at trough level and closer to peak.

**Lethal Hamburger** · 02-01-2021, 11:35 PM

Originally Posted by kelkel

Never a need to test LH on TRT or cycle. It will always be bottomed out as you're shut down. Save the money. So if my conversion is accurate you're around 1400 ng/dl and you were around 950. Arguably it could simply be due to the time of the test. If you tested a day or so earlier that the last test (33) then you would naturally be higher as test is still dropping. If that's the case it's a good learning tool. Always nice to know where you are at trough level and closer to peak.

It costs me nothing so no probs there.
I make sure to go in at the same time, everytime 4 days after last dose.
That is why I find it unusual.
I am not new to trt unfortunately but appreciate that you happy to help.
My thinking was more around release of medication from the depot site. I split dosing into twice weekly of 62.5mg for trt protocol so the spike is reduced along mit the trough.

**Gallowmere** · 02-02-2021, 12:32 AM

Originally Posted by Lethal Hamburger

It costs me nothing so no probs there.
I make sure to go in at the same time, everytime 4 days after last dose.
That is why I find it unusual.
I am not new to trt unfortunately but appreciate that you happy to help.
My thinking was more around release of medication from the depot site. I split dosing into twice weekly of 62.5mg for trt protocol so the spike is reduced along mit the trough.

Yes, injection site matters, and in some cases, a lot more than we think. Second column in recorded plasma halflife during an intervention trial.

**Lethal Hamburger** · 02-02-2021, 02:54 AM

Originally Posted by Gallowmere

Yes, injection site matters, and in some cases, a lot more than we think. Second column in recorded plasma halflife during an intervention trial.

Ok, there it is right there! Thanks Gallowmere.
I rotate between both glutes and ventrogluteal sites but have a lot of muscle density there. Sometimes the needle feels like its squeeking going through the tissue.

**kelkel** · 02-02-2021, 08:59 AM

Originally Posted by Lethal Hamburger

Ok, there it is right there! Thanks Gallowmere.
I rotate between both glutes and ventrogluteal sites but have a lot of muscle density there. Sometimes the needle feels like its squeeking going through the tissue.

Mine occasionally feels like it's crunching through. Scar tissue assumably.

**Gallowmere** · 02-02-2021, 09:30 AM

Originally Posted by kelkel

Mine occasionally feels like it's crunching through. Scar tissue assumably.

I’m starting to wonder if that’s actually what’s going on when this happens. The gauge of most pins, even when accounting for massive repeated use, doesn’t appear to cause that much scarring on actual imaging.
My current pet theory is that we’re actually hitting “trigger point” areas that are locked up with tension from involuntary contraction, and that’s what we’re running into. The main reason that I suspect this, is that I decided to run a little experiment where I started percussion massaging the muscles before injecting, which causes a temporary relaxing of the area. When doing that, all of the “crunch” and difficult injection aspect went away.

**kelkel** · 02-02-2021, 09:33 AM

Originally Posted by Gallowmere

I’m starting to wonder if that’s actually what’s going on when this happens. The gauge of most pins, even when accounting for massive repeated use, doesn’t appear to cause that much scarring on actual imaging.
My current pet theory is that we’re actually hitting “trigger point” areas that are locked up with tension from involuntary contraction, and that’s what we’re running into. The main reason that I suspect this, is that I decided to run a little experiment where I started percussion massaging the muscles before injecting, which causes a temporary relaxing of the area. When doing that, all of the “crunch” and difficult injection aspect went away.

Interesting Gallo. I only occasionally feel this in hips. Definitly an odd feeling though. Like you're pushing the pin through something dry, for lack of a better visual.

**Gallowmere** · 02-02-2021, 09:36 AM

Originally Posted by kelkel

Interesting Gallo. I only occasionally feel this in hips. Definitly an odd feeling though. Like you're pushing the pin through something dry, for lack of a better visual.

Yeap, ventro is the primary area this happens to be as well. Glute meds tend to be a really shitty “knotted up” muscle in everyone who doesn’t pay a lot of specific attention to it with prehab, etc.

**Lethal Hamburger** · 02-03-2021, 12:17 AM

Originally Posted by Gallowmere

Yeap, ventro is the primary area this happens to be as well. Glute meds tend to be a really shitty “knotted up” muscle in everyone who doesn’t pay a lot of specific attention to it with prehab, etc.

Nice. I will go with the theory of trigger points as well.
I say this as last year on a tren cycle I used the lateral deltoid head for the depot site. The same squeeking or gripping feeling as the pin went in was very obvious as this area of the body explodes wit growth while on tren.
I have had dry neddling performed by a physio and that was nothing compared to this. I even make sure to let a drop roll out of the pintle to provide some slip during pin insertion. I think I need to get the hockey ball out and roll the injection site prior to use. Thanks Gallowmere, I will give it a shot (pun).

**Krb367** · 02-03-2021, 03:19 AM

Originally Posted by Gallowmere

Yeap, ventro is the primary area this happens to be as well. Glute meds tend to be a really shitty “knotted up” muscle in everyone who doesn’t pay a lot of specific attention to it with prehab, etc.

This. Are you frequently massaging the upper glute before injecting? I’ve def started to notice knots as time has gone by.

Massaging or rolling it out help alleviate the build up?

**Gallowmere** · 02-03-2021, 05:00 AM

Originally Posted by Krb367

This. Are you frequently massaging the upper glute before injecting? I’ve def started to notice knots as time has gone by.

Massaging or rolling it out help alleviate the build up?

The entirety of the muscle is really easy to hit, as the glute med/min complex (the ventroglute) is overlapping and small.
If you’re asking about glute max, I’ve never stuck a pin there, not even once. Fuck that. I’m not putting inflammatory substances anywhere near the main sciatic route.