Masteron?

[s1nc1ty]

Im currently running testosterone enanthate cycle, 350 mg a week without AI. i know it might be abit stupid but i havent had any estrogen side effects so far. I just found out about masteron . I was thinking on maybe getting it, it would help with some extra gains etc and also help with estrogen etc. What do you guys think about this idea, any advice, and what dose of masteron would you reccommend to accompany my 350 mg test ?

Thanks in advance

[JaneDoe]

Im currently running testosterone enanthate cycle, 350 mg a week without AI. i know it might be abit stupid but i havent had any estrogen side effects so far. I just found out about masteron . I was thinking on maybe getting it, it would help with some extra gains etc and also help with estrogen etc. What do you guys think about this idea, any advice, and what dose of masteron would you reccommend to accompany my 350 mg test ?

Thanks in advance

Yes masteron is very beneficial, besides being an AAS it still helps with estrogen. I emphasize that it does not have a great ability to inhibit estrogen, only in the breast tissue that it will act with its anti-estrogenic properties.

[JaneDoe]

You're one of the guys who was blessed to be resistant to high E2. That means you're very resistant to having side effects.

[s1nc1ty]

You're one of the guys who was blessed to be resistant to high E2. That means you're very resistant to having side effects.

Yeah well I am on a relatevly low dose though. I bet if I upped it to 500+ it would be a different story. Any ideas how much masteron i should run if im on 350 test? I will get the enanthate version of masteron if possible

Right now ive been on testosterone for a month, id get masteron now and id run it together with test for another 6-8 weeks and then pct

[JaneDoe]

Yeah well I am on a relatevly low dose though. I bet if I upped it to 500+ it would be a different story. Any ideas how much masteron i should run if im on 350 test? I will get the enanthate version of masteron if possible

Right now ive been on testosterone for a month, id get masteron now and id run it together with test for another 6-8 weeks and then pct

As master SampsonandDelilah said, you don't have to fight estrogen if you don't have a problem with it! But if you want to try you can start with 400mg per week which is the dosage that many benefit from the mast's anti-estrogenic properties.

[SampsonandDelilah]

You may not necessarily need it. As a way to battle estrogenic side effects, it sounds like you’re managing just fine. You’re not stupid, I’ve never run an AI on cycle either. Some the help, some don’t…simple as that. We all process estrogen differently.

As a cosmetic drug (which is really where last shines) it’ll depend on your BF%. It’s not very anabolic and is mild in that department but it can really add shape and definition if you have the physique to show it off. If you’re below 10–12% BF, then give it a shot…

It’s not cheap and I always run the long ester version. My ideal dose is between 4-500. Remember it’s a DHT derivative so some shedding may occur

Good luck

[Honkey_Kong]

I wouldn't use masteron just to control estrogen on an otherwise "test only" cycle. Hell, you want your estrogen levels to be on the high side (as long as you're not growing bitch titties). You'll make better gains. And if you're having problems with estrogen, try taking your current dosage and splitting it up in to more frequent doses. That'll stabilize your test levels more and will increase your SHBG.

[JaneDoe]

I wouldn't use masteron just to control estrogen on an otherwise "test only" cycle. Hell, you want your estrogen levels to be on the high side (as long as you're not growing bitch titties). You'll make better gains. And if you're having problems with estrogen, try taking your current dosage and splitting it up in to more frequent doses. That'll stabilize your test levels more and will increase your SHBG.

Yeah bro! well,350mg of Testo per week is not a high dosage... He can get away with this cycle without using any anti estrogens.

[Honkey_Kong]

Yeah bro! well,350mg of Testo per week is not a high dosage... He can get away with this cycle without using any anti estrogens.

IMO 350mg of test E a week is a waste of time and not worth shutting the body's natural test production down for. But if he wants to run it, and he's getting gains off it, then I guess it's cool.

[s1nc1ty]

IMO 350mg of test E a week is a waste of time and not worth shutting the body's natural test production down for. But if he wants to run it, and he's getting gains off it, then I guess it's cool.

Well you have to understand this is my first cycle ever. I dont think im in a rush to get huge as fast as possible and start with max doses. I was thinking id first get to know these substances, see how I react to them, before i up the doses. Next cycle i will either up the dose or add another substance. And then maybe someday down the line i will be taking already multiple compounds in manly doses. Thats how my mind works anyway and thats how I thought would be the smart and safer way to do it. Maybe im too careful though and should have started blasting right away and deal with shit when it hits the fan.

[s1nc1ty]

Im not having problems with estrogen currently. What made me consider Masteron is the idea of added gains and more peace of mind conserning estrogen. I read that masteron is not the strongest steroid but it should help me pack on abit more muscle anyway if added to my current 350mg test. 100mg / 1 mil tho is a kinda crap tho will cost more money and big injections... Just for the estrogen effect its not worth it i was hoping it would compliment my current 350 mg testosterone abit too and i would get into better shape with the cycle. This is my first cycle btw.. just like everyone else i want to get gains. My bodyfat is around 18% probably im more in the "bulking" mode i dont count calories that hard i just eat alot meat etc

[s1nc1ty]

Im just trying to min-max things .. wanting to get the most out of the minimum without consuming too much shit. Because of that the idea of hitting to birds with one stone with masteron appealed to me. More gains, less side effects. Sounds good.

[SampsonandDelilah]

Im just trying to min-max things .. wanting to get the most out of the minimum without consuming too much shit. Because of that the idea of hitting to birds with one stone with masteron appealed to me. More gains, less side effects. Sounds good.

Just stay the course with one compound. See how you react to it, if you run into issues then you’ll know the culprit. Gets confusing as you add more compounds. Estrogen is a critical hormone for growth, you just have to manage the symptoms (not crash it).

As stated, mast isn’t for managing estrogen sides. You can take an AI on cycle for that. At 18% you won’t notice it’s cosmetic effects. It’s a weak anabolic , and it’s not going to pack on the mass. Think of it as a contest drug in a lot of ways or a nice complement to some more complex cycles.

If anything you can take your total test intake higher and probably see more potential benefits with out the cost of masteron …save it for later. Like when you start dabbling with 19 nors

Taking the test to 400-500 wouldn’t be the worst thing. However, if you’re seeing progress at 350 and feeling good and not dealing with E2 sides then carry on with what you’re doing.

One thing at a time…

Good luck!

[Honkey_Kong]

Just stay the course with one compound. See how you react to it, if you run into issues then you’ll know the culprit. Gets confusing as you add more compounds. Estrogen is a critical hormone for growth, you just have to manage the symptoms (not crash it).

As stated, mast isn’t for managing estrogen sides. You can take an AI on cycle for that. At 18% you won’t notice it’s cosmetic effects. It’s a weak anabolic , and it’s not going to pack on the mass. Think of it as a contest drug in a lot of ways or a nice complement to some more complex cycles.

If anything you can take your total test intake higher and probably see more potential benefits with out the cost of masteron …save it for later. Like when you start dabbling with 19 nors

Taking the test to 400-500 wouldn’t be the worst thing. However, if you’re seeing progress at 350 and feeling good and not dealing with E2 sides then carry on with what you’re doing.

One thing at a time…

Good luck!

Yeah masteron can be twice as expensive as test

[JaneDoe]

If you want extra gains , add an oral steroid on top of that and your cycle's anabolic power will increase. ..IMO 350mg of enanthate of testosterone per week with 50mg of anavar per day!

[JaneDoe]

Below is a conversation I had with GH regarding the thesis that you can run low testo with var and enjoy an even greater anabolic load than just testo.


ok so Testo has an anabolic rating of 100 per 100mg

Var has an anabolic rating of 300 per 100mg

if you ran only 200mg of testo then your total anabolic load is 200 for that cycle

if you ran 200mg of testo plus 50mg per day of Var your anabolic load jumps all the way up to like 1300

thats a big difference


so thats how that works.. you just need to know the anabolic rating of each compound , and then you calculate it compared to the basis of test.

1000mg of testo only , has an anabolic load of 1000 . low dose testo and var is still more anabolic then that


but keep in mind, anabolic rating is only calculating anabolic load (protein turnover capacity) and not factoring in other growth factors like estrogen and water retention (which have their own ability to put on muscle) .

so because 1000mg of testo is going to be very estrogenic , you may get more total growth out of that because of the power of the estrogen and water retention , which anabolic load does not account for

[Mooseman33]

brotha, do not add the mast. You are bulking and clearly said that u are not having estrogen issues.

Ur bf is still high, focus on diet and use the chems to achieve ur goal.

Mast does not fall into that right now for u.

[Mooseman33]

remember fellas, we all have different goals.

OP- just cause u bump up doses does not always mean the shit will hit the fan. Def should of ran first cycle a little higher but do what u are comfortable with. This life is not a sprint but marathon. learn from each cycle.

[JaneDoe]

Women for them we came, for them we live and for them we die! pussy is pre-workout!

[Cuz]

300-400 test and 150-200 tren works well for me. No ai, no caber, nothing.

With that said i used to run tren with mast every run, this is my fourth run with tren. Ive been on gear on off for 17 years. So obviously as you ease into the game like i did you will find what works for you. Albeit i am on trt for life tho and you are not, my first cycle was sus 250x2 per week. (500mg test) so bumping it to 500 like Honk said i wouldnt disagree with.
Adding mast with your body stats and given your new to lifting and the aas lifestyle just save it. Mast would be waste of money right now for you imho

[s1nc1ty]

300-400 test and 150-200 tren works well for me. No ai, no caber, nothing.

With that said i used to run tren with mast every run, this is my fourth run with tren. Ive been on gear on off for 17 years. So obviously as you ease into the game like i did you will find what works for you. Albeit i am on trt for life tho and you are not, my first cycle was sus 250x2 per week. (500mg test) so bumping it to 500 like Honk said i wouldnt disagree with.
Adding mast with your body stats and given your new to lifting and the aas lifestyle just save it. Mast would be waste of money right now for you imho

This is interesting idea.. maybe i should try that next cycle. 350 test like im on right now + tren 150 / 200. It would be same as right now only 1 more compound... so if something is off i know its because the tren. I read about tren too that shit should be pretty potent.

what esters are you talking about? 300-400 test E a week and 150 tren ace every day?

[Honkey_Kong]

This is interesting idea.. maybe i should try that next cycle. 350 test like im on right now + tren 150 / 200. It would be same as right now only 1 more compound... so if something is off i know its because the tren. I read about tren too that shit should be pretty potent.

what esters are you talking about? 300-400 test E a week and 150 tren ace every day?

FFS, you already started this cycle. Finish it as planned and then worry about adding different steroids in later cycles. This is a marathon, not a sprint. If you do things right, you should get great gains off test alone. I'd only suggest bumping up your dose to a typical cycle's dose instead of just being on a really high TRT dose.

[s1nc1ty]

FFS, you already started this cycle. Finish it as planned and then worry about adding different steroids in later cycles. This is a marathon, not a sprint. If you do things right, you should get great gains off test alone. I'd only suggest bumping up your dose to a typical cycle's dose instead of just being on a really high TRT dose.

Yeah. If you read what i wrote then I was talking about next cycle, not this one. Im a little afraid to go higher with test this cycle atleast i think, I feel great and all but my face is as red as a baboons ass and blood pressure is abit on the higher side to. Am afraid maybe my face will turn even redder or i dont know. Ive read some people get red face even on 150 mg a week tho. Was thinking next cycle maybe i keep test at 350 or lower it even to 250 and add another compound to do the heavy lifting, dianabol or trenbolon or something.

[Honkey_Kong]

Yeah. If you read what i wrote then I was talking about next cycle, not this one. Im a little afraid to go higher with test this cycle atleast i think, I feel great and all but my face is as red as a baboons ass and blood pressure is abit on the higher side to. Am afraid maybe my face will turn even redder or i dont know. Ive read some people get red face even on 150 mg a week tho. Was thinking next cycle maybe i keep test at 350 or lower it even to 250 and add another compound to do the heavy lifting, dianabol or trenbolon or something.

Personally I wouldn't fuck with dbol . The gains you get from it go just as fast as they came. I would save tren for many cycles down the road. What are you thinking you'd want to accomplish with your next cycle?

As far as your BP goes, I've got high blood pressure and it doesn't make my face red. But if your BP is high, you might want to consider taking some sort of BP meds along with the gear. Hell you can also lower your BP to some degree by taking stuff like cialis

[wellshii]

A lot of responses but DHt derivatives were created for breast cancer patients.
It competes for receptors in the breast .Somebfolks bloodwork show low estro from primo mast etc.

Personally I want to run a 1:1 of test and primo on my first blast for this reason as well as the mental effects from DHT compounds.
But I have been on TRT for 5 months now so I already know how my body handles a highish test(200). But thats only if I did 500.
Ive decided to actually run 350 a week so no primo.
Too low a dose imo .
So just have an ai on hand as well as a serm and go from there

[s1nc1ty]

Well as a status update my online friends, i needed to buy some pct stuff and while at it i bought some stanozolol also. Ive been on test for 4 weeks now. Im gonna add stanozolol now for 6 weeks together with test and then call it a day. Not sure about the dosage tho. I think im gonna start with 20 mg a day first week and then bump it up to 30 and maybe even 40 mg a day.got 200 10mg winnies. For pct i got 10 000 IU hcg and clomid

[Honkey_Kong]

Well as a status update my online friends, i needed to buy some pct stuff and while at it i bought some stanozolol also. Ive been on test for 4 weeks now. Im gonna add stanozolol now for 6 weeks together with test and then call it a day. Not sure about the dosage tho. I think im gonna start with 20 mg a day first week and then bump it up to 30 and maybe even 40 mg a day.got 200 10mg winnies. For pct i got 10 000 IU hcg and clomid

So you didn't have a pct together before you ran your cycle and you decided to get more gear too?

[s1nc1ty]

So you didn't have a pct together before you ran your cycle and you decided to get more gear too?

Yes. Well I didnt need to buy the PCT right away since it was months away when i need them. I have solid sources and i can get it any time. And yes you know how it is like when you go to the store and go to pay there is good stuff right next to the register and you cant help yourself and buy 2 snickers. Same thing here

[Honkey_Kong]

Yes. Well I didnt need to buy the PCT right away since it was months away when i need them. I have solid sources and i can get it any time. And yes you know how it is like when you go to the store and go to pay there is good stuff right next to the register and you cant help yourself and buy 2 snickers. Same thing here

No, it's not the same thing. First rule of doing gear is having all your materials on hand BEFORE you start. Bullshit happens, packages go missing, etc.

Why even ask for help?

[Mooseman33]

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