The Gear (or work ethic) These Days...

**Zenpump** · 04-30-2023, 09:47 AM

Respect to everyone providing valuable insight on this forum! I have to say, as an old-schooler, I wish this much information was available back in the 80's and 90's when almost everyone in the industry was still lying about AAS and Wieder and company were ripping everyone off on bullshit supplements and saying they were the reason why the guys in the magazines were so big.

I have to say, though, looking at cycle photos from this and other forums, I am pretty sure most of the gear being sold today is shit. Back in the day, you could do 200mg Deca weekly and 20mg Var daily and gain 30 lbs and look PROFOUNDLY different after 8 weeks. Now, I see fellas doing 6 different drugs at 5x, 10x the dosages and they get a little more definition and gain 10-20 lbs (mostly) water weight after a cycle. It's either that or the work ethic has been lost (very possible). Has to be one or the other or both...

Not sure why I posted this rant but felt a need to. I'm sure there will be some strong opinions.

Peace to all...

**Scorpion0922** · 04-30-2023, 01:21 PM

Well said....It's not only that the bathtub gin being sold today is bunk. It's also due to very little (if not zero) work ethic and/or discipline.

**Cuz** · 05-01-2023, 11:23 AM

Man, i wish i could gain 30lbs off 200 deca /20 var. shit, id like 30lbs on anything

**songdog** · 05-01-2023, 11:42 AM

Back in the 80s we got our stuff from Mexico and it was good stuff.I been out of the game a long time and I see my guy shut his doors.I would hate to be looking now.

**teedoff** · 05-01-2023, 12:14 PM

Originally Posted by songdog

Back in the 80s we got our stuff from Mexico and it was good stuff.I been out of the game a long time and I see my guy shut his doors.I would hate to be looking now.

It's tough out here. Lol. Either go overseas or domestic ugl. Crap shoot either way I guess.

**Honkey_Kong** · 05-01-2023, 04:30 PM

Originally Posted by Zenpump

Respect to everyone providing valuable insight on this forum! I have to say, as an old-schooler, I wish this much information was available back in the 80's and 90's when almost everyone in the industry was still lying about AAS and Wieder and company were ripping everyone off on bullshit supplements and saying they were the reason why the guys in the magazines were so big.

I have to say, though, looking at cycle photos from this and other forums, I am pretty sure most of the gear being sold today is shit. Back in the day, you could do 200mg Deca weekly and 20mg Var daily and gain 30 lbs and look PROFOUNDLY different after 8 weeks. Now, I see fellas doing 6 different drugs at 5x, 10x the dosages and they get a little more definition and gain 10-20 lbs (mostly) water weight after a cycle. It's either that or the work ethic has been lost (very possible). Has to be one or the other or both...

Not sure why I posted this rant but felt a need to. I'm sure there will be some strong opinions.

Peace to all...

I always figured that anybody who was dumb enough to believe the snake oil those companies were selling actually would put 30lbs of muscle on them deserved what they got. We all know those guys in the 80's and 90's were on gear regardless of what they or anybody said. We also knew their hands were tied due to stigmas and laws (first rule of doing things that are illegal is not announcing to the world that you're doing illegal shit).

And with the UGL gear today that's rampant, the guys making it don't even know for sure if their raws are real or if they're pure. Then you have a bunch of them that will cut their gear or knowingly sell bunk shit.

And yeah, you're right about people today not training hard. People used to lift as hard as they could for as long as they could, because they loved to lift. Now you got a bunch of fairies who are afraid of breaking a sweat, because they're lazy and some fvuk on the internet told them they could overtrain if they did so.

**Scorpion0922** · 05-01-2023, 07:48 PM

Originally Posted by Honkey_Kong

I always figured that anybody who was dumb enough to believe the snake oil those companies were selling actually would put 30lbs of muscle on them deserved what they got. We all know those guys in the 80's and 90's were on gear regardless of what they or anybody said. We also knew their hands were tied due to stigmas and laws (first rule of doing things that are illegal is not announcing to the world that you're doing illegal shit).

And with the UGL gear today that's rampant, the guys making it don't even know for sure if their raws are real or if they're pure. Then you have a bunch of them that will cut their gear or knowingly sell bunk shit.

And yeah, you're right about people today not training hard. People used to lift as hard as they could for as long as they could, because they loved to lift. Now you got a bunch of fairies who are afraid of breaking a sweat, because they're lazy and some fvuk on the internet told them they could overtrain if they did so.

Hard to train with 2 hands on the phone.

**Scorpion0922** · 05-01-2023, 07:48 PM

Originally Posted by songdog

Back in the 80s we got our stuff from Mexico and it was good stuff.I been out of the game a long time and I see my guy shut his doors.I would hate to be looking now.

Que Dave Palumbo in Mexico video......

**s1nc1ty** · 05-01-2023, 10:50 PM

There must be some good ugl-s out there.. i mean they cant all be shit can they? And if they are then piece of advice for one lucky sob: start your own ugl and make quality product. Youl get rich as fucks

**Honkey_Kong** · 05-02-2023, 04:02 AM

Originally Posted by s1nc1ty

There must be some good ugl-s out there.. i mean they cant all be shit can they? And if they are then piece of advice for one lucky sob: start your own ugl and make quality product. Youl get rich as fucks

Most UGLs buy their raws from China. China doesn't exactly have too many quality controls for legal substances much less illegal substances sold in the black market.

**teedoff** · 05-02-2023, 07:01 AM

I hope not all of them are bunk. Had a friend recommend one that I'm about to buy from in the next few weeks. I've seen this same ugl mentioned here.

**xilence1984** · 05-02-2023, 10:29 PM

Work ethic is a big one. I know guys on gear that don't train nearly as hard as I do. I also know guys that smoke me in the gym so take that for what it is. But I train hard af and most of my gym doesn't seem to be pushing that way. Like was mentioned before it's hard to train with both hands on your phone.

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**kelkel** · 05-03-2023, 10:24 AM

Guys these days expect results way too quickly. They don't want to put in the work / time and establish any kind of base so they jump on gear almost immediately and wonder why they have issues.....

**Cuz** · 05-03-2023, 10:33 AM

Originally Posted by s1nc1ty

There must be some good ugl-s out there.. i mean they cant all be shit can they? And if they are then piece of advice for one lucky sob: start your own ugl and make quality product. Youl get rich as fucks

Yeah, the hard part is finding quality raws that are pure. China shit nothing is pure there its all cheap bullshit the whole country has shit production. Most of the ugls get their shit from china so there u go

**Euroholic** · 05-04-2023, 03:29 AM

On the other hand, these days are easier for non pros to get prescriptions. A lot of pros of yesteryear had prescriptions that the common man could not get. Apart from tren most things are easy to get legally now.

**Zenpump** · 05-04-2023, 05:00 AM

Ya I don't know about anyone else, but I don't trust China (The Home of Covid-19) one single bit, in any way, shape or form. So I am certainly not going to inject a substance from a Chinese UGL into my body. Not in a million years....

**scotty51312** · 05-04-2023, 07:01 AM

I find it annoying when the younger guys have the nerve to ask me what gear i'm running after I watch them doing quarter squats, bench with thier elbows flared 90 degrees rock back and forth with a dumbell curl etc. I used to ask about thier diets and talk about form and splits and such but no one wants to hear about that.

**Honkey_Kong** · 05-04-2023, 02:32 PM

Originally Posted by scotty51312

I find it annoying when the younger guys have the nerve to ask me what gear i'm running after I watch them doing quarter squats, bench with thier elbows flared 90 degrees rock back and forth with a dumbell curl etc. I used to ask about thier diets and talk about form and splits and such but no one wants to hear about that.

The ones that always make me laugh are the ones doing the dumbbell curls where they swing their backs so much, you'd swear they're going to slip a disc. And if you're going to ever be nice and try to tell them how to do a lift, it'll go in one ear and out the other.

**Scorpion0922** · 05-04-2023, 02:57 PM

Originally Posted by Honkey_Kong

The ones that always make me laugh are the ones doing the dumbbell curls where they swing their backs so much, you'd swear they're going to slip a disc. And if you're going to ever be nice and try to tell them how to do a lift, it'll go in one ear and out the other.

Or you're the big bad juice head bully (like Guy Cisternino in that hack squat video)

**kelkel** · 05-06-2023, 10:14 AM

Originally Posted by scotty51312

I find it annoying when the younger guys have the nerve to ask me what gear i'm running after I watch them doing quarter squats, bench with thier elbows flared 90 degrees rock back and forth with a dumbell curl etc. I used to ask about thier diets and talk about form and splits and such but no one wants to hear about that.

How dare you preach common sense! What's wrong with you?

**Cornish** · 05-07-2023, 07:01 AM

I highly doubt gear has gotten worse. It's proliferation is the issue. Lotta ppl running gear with little to no experience using it or training & diet in general. So it's work ethic & experience. I can easily get top quality Rx grade gear from Europe. Admittedly, my diet & training are not always "on point." So ya...work ethic is not the same.

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