First time Cycle and now pain in the gluteus

**NoNameYet** · 09-02-2023, 08:15 AM

Maybe i did something wrong while injecting but after i did my first injection in the right place of the gluteus in the course of the next day there is a moderate sized red spot on the gluteus and the muscle is extremely hardend. Thus i have pain when moving since the last three days. Any tips for not making this mistake again? And how can i relax the hardend muscle?

Thank you

**stocky121** · 09-02-2023, 08:23 AM

Sometimes this happens. What was it you were injecting?

**NoNameYet** · 09-02-2023, 08:52 AM

It was regular Test E 250mg. Maybe the injection was too quick (it lastet like a minute). Im really not sure if an Ice Pack or Warmth is the better option

**almostgone** · 09-02-2023, 09:23 AM

Sigh....test enanthate is notorious for this unless it's pharmaceutical.

**Booz** · 09-02-2023, 09:31 AM

1st time injecting?
Virgin muscle syndrome….

**Scorpion0922** · 09-02-2023, 09:34 AM

What size needle?

**NoNameYet** · 09-02-2023, 09:46 AM

25g, 1inch

**NoNameYet** · 09-02-2023, 09:47 AM

Sounds reasonable thank you i guess i need to indure stuff like that for the beginning

**stocky121** · 09-02-2023, 09:53 AM

You’ll be fine. Some heat will help, but it’s perfectly normal.

**tbjake34** · 09-02-2023, 02:47 PM

First shots can do this. Its weird but people say when you shoot a "virgin" muslce you can have what you are describing or PIP. Heat pad, massage, I like to use those gun massagers you see, Tylenol or ibuprofen for the pain. If it lasts longer than a few days and you notice it warm to the touch and still red. Could possibly be infected so just watch it. Oh and welcome to the dark side haha

Edit: yeah pretty much what everyone else said ha dont think you did anything wrong just the price of gainsssss baby

**JTP$** · 09-02-2023, 11:08 PM

Originally Posted by NoNameYet

Maybe i did something wrong while injecting but after i did my first injection in the right place of the gluteus in the course of the next day there is a moderate sized red spot on the gluteus and the muscle is extremely hardend. Thus i have pain when moving since the last three days. Any tips for not making this mistake again? And how can i relax the hardend muscle?

Thank you

PIP (Post Injection Pain) is normal and just part of the game. youl get used to it.

also, its been my experience that sometimes an injection results in moderate to severe PIP, while other times there is none at all, even on the same cycle with oil from the same vials.

**tempest818** · 09-03-2023, 01:26 PM

Originally Posted by NoNameYet

Maybe i did something wrong while injecting but after i did my first injection in the right place of the gluteus in the course of the next day there is a moderate sized red spot on the gluteus and the muscle is extremely hardend. Thus i have pain when moving since the last three days. Any tips for not making this mistake again? And how can i relax the hardend muscle?

Thank you

I backfill an insulin syringe, 30 gauge. 25 is gnarly. And try pinning your upper body. And perhaps heat up the oil by running it under hot water for a few mins before pinning. And be CLEAN. Wipe with some rubbing alc beforehand.

**JTP$** · 09-04-2023, 04:03 AM

Originally Posted by tempest818

I backfill an insulin syringe, 30 gauge. 25 is gnarly. And try pinning your upper body. And perhaps heat up the oil by running it under hot water for a few mins before pinning. And be CLEAN. Wipe with some rubbing alc beforehand.

I like using insulin needles for ED or EOD injections, but they only hold 1 CC, and thats just not enough volume for heavy cycles with large volumes of long lasting ester AAS.

For guys who are on TRT, its beneficial to use the longer needles as intramuscular injections get absorbed faster than subcutaneous. Good for heavy blasting then getting the gear out of your system so your TRT doctor doesnt detect anything when he tests your blood.

**Honkey_Kong** · 09-05-2023, 01:22 AM

I'll give you a little trick for reducing injection pain. Try to inject in an muscle that you're going to work that day. If you get blood flow going to it from training the muscle, it won't hurt as bad. But the more often you inject the easier it gets.

Also like AG said, test E is notorious for PIP. And usually the ones that hurt the worst are the 300mg/ml test E's (or stronger)

**Mooseman33** · 09-05-2023, 04:06 PM

switch to cyp.

AG hit nail on head, this is from test E.

**almostgone** · 09-05-2023, 08:48 PM

Originally Posted by Mooseman33

switch to cyp.

AG hit nail on head, this is from test E.

It's a shame that there's so much contaminated/dirty/leftover contaminants in most of the raw test enanthate out there.

It is almost foolproof to homebrew if it's clean enanthate and you're working in cool temps. About the only easier hormone to brew ( that I've worked with) is Deca .

**Test Monsterone** · 09-05-2023, 09:21 PM

I had similar experiences with test e, even doing it sub q. Used to get big painful welts that took forever to go away. Test C seemed much better, but yeah, anything can cause pip. I wonder why test E in particular is affected?

**almostgone** · 09-05-2023, 10:12 PM

Originally Posted by Test Monsterone

I had similar experiences with test e, even doing it sub q. Used to get big painful welts that took forever to go away. Test C seemed much better, but yeah, anything can cause pip. I wonder why test E in particular is affected?

The powder vendors will sell whatever they can get their hands on. Unfortunately, test e seems to retain a high acid content if not processed properly and the vendors snatch it up and sell it right along with the good batches.

Unless it's pharma enanthate like Xyosted pens or Delatestryl, I stick with pharma test cyp, prop, or undecanoate. Occasionally I will run across test decanoate from one of the powder guys and I'll get out the solvents and get to work.

Generally, I'll stick with pharma for test.

**stocky121** · 09-06-2023, 03:22 AM

Originally Posted by almostgone

The powder vendors will sell whatever they can get their hands on. Unfortunately, test e seems to retain a high acid content if not processed properly and the vendors snatch it up and sell it right along with the good batches.

Unless it's pharma enanthate like Xyosted pens or Delatestryl, I stick with pharma test cyp, prop, or undecanoate. Occasionally I will run across test decanoate from one of the powder guys and I'll get out the solvents and get to work.

Generally, I'll stick with pharma for test.

It’s weird back in 2007 and before I never had a problem with test e powder, strange how things change over time. (I’m sure you helped me a lot with my brewing back in the day AG).

The only thing that was ridiculous with pain back then was boldenone propionate . I wonder if that’s improved ?

**almostgone** · 09-06-2023, 05:28 AM

Originally Posted by stocky121

It’s weird back in 2007 and before I never had a problem with test e powder, strange how things change over time. (I’m sure you helped me a lot with my brewing back in the day AG).

The only thing that was ridiculous with pain back then was boldenone propionate. I wonder if that’s improved ?

Noooooo......bold prop is the devil.

Ask 956Vette about bold prop!

You rarely see it anymore and I would opt for bold acetate any day of the week.

That stuff hobbled me and made me (and others) feverish/sick.

Yes sir, back in the day, the test e was much better.

Things are slowly getting better now that you can send off samples and have them tested. Puts the pressure on the vendor to do the same.

**stocky121** · 09-06-2023, 09:48 AM

Originally Posted by almostgone

Noooooo......bold prop is the devil.

Ask 956Vette about bold prop!

You rarely see it anymore and I would opt for bold acetate any day of the week.

That stuff hobbled me and made me (and others) feverish/sick.

Yes sir, back in the day, the test e was much better.

Things are slowly getting better now that you can send off samples and have them tested. Puts the pressure on the vendor to do the same.

Tried it once before I knew better. Never again

**Cuz** · 09-06-2023, 08:56 PM

Originally Posted by NoNameYet

It was regular Test E 250mg. Maybe the injection was too quick (it lastet like a minute). Im really not sure if an Ice Pack or Warmth is the better option

Sounds normal, sadly.
UGL test e, can be some nasty shit especially if alot of BA is added. I got some once, swear to God had a hard time walking. Yes, on the job it actually affected my work performance.

Go with test C next time. Pharm if u can get it. Its way better. Us trt guys know.

**Honkey_Kong** · 09-07-2023, 01:15 AM

Originally Posted by Cuz

Sounds normal, sadly.
UGL test e, can be some nasty shit especially if alot of BA is added. I got some once, swear to God had a hard time walking. Yes, on the job it actually affected my work performance.

Go with test C next time. Pharm if u can get it. Its way better. Us trt guys know.

He was injecting in to virgin muscle though. Some pain is to be expected when you first start. And if he only has access to the UGL gear, he should try to get the lowest concentration of gear in the oil. The higher concentrations almost always hurt more.

And he might've been a little nervous the first few times he's jabbed himself. Probably was all tensed up when he shoved the needle in. A nice hot relaxing shower before you jab does wonders.

**Cuz** · 09-07-2023, 05:38 AM

Originally Posted by Honkey_Kong

He was injecting in to virgin muscle though. Some pain is to be expected when you first start. And if he only has access to the UGL gear, he should try to get the lowest concentration of gear in the oil. The higher concentrations almost always hurt more.

And he might've been a little nervous the first few times he's jabbed himself. Probably was all tensed up when he shoved the needle in. A nice hot relaxing shower before you jab does wonders.

Its hard starting out. Just like everything else in life. Hot showers pre injection has always been my protocol. I also warm the oil up a tad, seems to help some as well.

**JTP$** · 09-10-2023, 11:38 AM

Originally Posted by Cuz

Sounds normal, sadly.
UGL test e, can be some nasty shit especially if alot of BA is added. I got some once, swear to God had a hard time walking. Yes, on the job it actually affected my work performance.

Go with test C next time. Pharm if u can get it. Its way better. Us trt guys know.

ive been there before man. i remember my very first injection, test blend 400 (prop, enanthate & cyp) into my right quad. my bro who got me into this game didnt warn me about PIP, and the next day i couldnt believe how painful it was.