Help Analyzing Blood Work - First Cycle

[BrotherTheresa]

Long time reader, first time poster here. I am currently in the 14 day cooldown phase before pct begins. This BW was taken at week 10 of my 12 week cycle. The lab messed up and didn't order the correct tests when taken at wk8. This was my first cycle with gear and looking to get some experienced eyes to let me know if this looks on par so far.

[almostgone]

Long time reader, first time poster here. I am currently in the 14 day cooldown phase before pct begins. This BW was taken at week 10 of my 12 week cycle. The lab messed up and didn't order the correct tests when taken at wk8. This was my first cycle with gear and looking to get some experienced eyes to let me know if this looks on par so far.




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Try using the Tapatalk app to download. It may be easier. Don't forget to pull labs post PCT/recovery period when the time comes.

[BrotherTheresa]

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[BrotherTheresa]

My cycle:

Wk 1-12 Test-e, 250mg 2x/wk (500mg total/wk)
Wk 1-12 hCG 250iu 2x/wk (500iu total/wk)
Wk 7-12 Anavar 50mg ed
Wk 1-14 Aromasin 25mg ed

PCT will be as follows, 14 days after last injection:
Clomid 100/50/50/50 (comes in 50mg capsules)
Nolvadex 40/20/20/20


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[Cylon357]

What was your cycle?

Your estrogen seems low relative to your testosterone , though that isn't the sensitive test. Lipids are out of whack, but that should correct itself with cleaning up your diet and dropping lipid wrecking drugs.

So it looks like maybe you had an oral on top of testosterone, I'm guessing test was around 500mg per week. You probably also over used AI, which isn't necessarily a bad thing for a first cycle, but once you know how your body reacts, it's frequently better to adjust your other compounds so you don't need as much AI.

[BrotherTheresa]

What was your cycle?

Your estrogen seems low relative to your testosterone , though that isn't the sensitive test. Lipids are out of whack, but that should correct itself with cleaning up your diet and dropping lipid wrecking drugs.

So it looks like maybe you had an oral on top of testosterone, I'm guessing test was around 500mg per week. You probably also over used AI, which isn't necessarily a bad thing for a first cycle, but once you know how your body reacts, it's frequently better to adjust your other compounds so you don't need as much AI.

Pretty spot on hah- look above your post to see my cycle (that post was waiting for approval so it was t there at the time you posted I believe)


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[BrotherTheresa]

What was your cycle?

Your estrogen seems low relative to your testosterone , though that isn't the sensitive test. Lipids are out of whack, but that should correct itself with cleaning up your diet and dropping lipid wrecking drugs.

So it looks like maybe you had an oral on top of testosterone, I'm guessing test was around 500mg per week. You probably also over used AI, which isn't necessarily a bad thing for a first cycle, but once you know how your body reacts, it's frequently better to adjust your other compounds so you don't need as much AI.

Could you give some examples of what adjusting other compounds might look like? Where would you prefer to see estrogen levels, Estradiol closer to 50pg/ml?? Should you try to keep them elevated as much as possible before noticing the sides? Nipple sensitivity would be the first sign?

My first thought was maybe I should have reduced the aromasin to eod or do you think 10mg nolva ed would be best until I notice sensitivity in my nipples and then switch to the aromasin eod after?

[Cylon357]

Could you give some examples of what adjusting other compounds might look like? Where would you prefer to see estrogen levels, Estradiol closer to 50pg/ml?? Should you try to keep them elevated as much as possible before noticing the sides? Nipple sensitivity would be the first sign?

My first thought was maybe I should have reduced the aromasin to eod or do you think 10mg nolva ed would be best until I notice sensitivity in my nipples and then switch to the aromasin eod after?

Sensitivity in the nipples might just be hormonal fluctuations and nothing to worry about. Lump formation or pain, that's the other extreme and when you would want to take more aggressive action, like an AI and a serm like nolvadex .

If you know you are gyno prone, you could just use 5mg nolvadex per day from the start of cycle, adjusting it accordingly. Be advised that it has some sides, so research before blindly implementing.

As for other compounds, again if you are for sure a high aromatizer and or prone to gyno, you next cycle could look something like 400 test and 200 masteron or primo. Masteron will prevent and reverse gyno, primo will actively lower estradiol.

No such thing as a 1 size fits all test to estrogen ratio. You have to work to find what feels best for you.

[BrotherTheresa]

Sensitivity in the nipples might just be hormonal fluctuations and nothing to worry about. Lump formation or pain, that's the other extreme and when you would want to take more aggressive action, like an AI and a serm like nolvadex .

If you know you are gyno prone, you could just use 5mg nolvadex per day from the start of cycle, adjusting it accordingly. Be advised that it has some sides, so research before blindly implementing.

As for other compounds, again if you are for sure a high aromatizer and or prone to gyno, you next cycle could look something like 400 test and 200 masteron or primo. Masteron will prevent and reverse gyno, primo will actively lower estradiol.

No such thing as a 1 size fits all test to estrogen ratio. You have to work to find what feels best for you.

F Estradiol, Sensitive 20.9 8.0-35.0 (pg/mL) BN

This was my sensitive test before I began the cycle. Would it be normal to see estrogen levels in the 150-200pg/mL during cycle, so long as you get it back within range after cycle ends and you aren’t experiencing the side effects?

[Cylon357]

F Estradiol, Sensitive 20.9 8.0-35.0 (pg/mL) BN

This was my sensitive test before I began the cycle. Would it be normal to see estrogen levels in the 150-200pg/mL during cycle, so long as you get it back within range after cycle ends and you aren’t experiencing the side effects?

Response will vary from individual to individual, but yeah, as long as you aren't getting negative sides, then it would be fine to let estrogen climb. I personally would not sweat it until you start getting sides, then nudge it back down.

[Honkey_Kong]

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I think your use of aromasin kept your estrogens level pretty low. Your lymphocytes are slightly high, but that's probably because you and a slight cold (that you might not haven even noticed symptoms of) so it's nothing to worry about. your HDL cholestrol and LDL will go back to normal a few weeks after you stop the anavar (hopefully). Probably by the time your PCT is over that'll be normal

Same with the MCHC, it'll probably be normal along with the LH and FSH after your PCT is over.

Now as far as the creatinine goes and your GFR. The use your creatinine level which is high to determine what your GFR is. Yours is at 72 which technically means you could have stage 2 CKD. The amount of muscle you put on your body plus supplementation of creatine could artificially make your GFR lower. If you tested this in the morning and didn't drink any water at all (or not much water), you probably were a little dehydrated and this could be also representing that. I recommend you pound one of those liter and a half bottles of water on your way over to the labs when you do your post PCT labwork. If it's still in the 70's, after that, just to be precautious, have your PCP start keeping an eye on this.

[Cuz]

I think your use of aromasin kept your estrogens level pretty low. Your lymphocytes are slightly high, but that's probably because you and a slight cold (that you might not haven even noticed symptoms of) so it's nothing to worry about. your HDL cholestrol and LDL will go back to normal a few weeks after you stop the anavar (hopefully). Probably by the time your PCT is over that'll be normal

Same with the MCHC, it'll probably be normal along with the LH and FSH after your PCT is over.

Now as far as the creatinine goes and your GFR. The use your creatinine level which is high to determine what your GFR is. Yours is at 72 which technically means you could have stage 2 CKD. The amount of muscle you put on your body plus supplementation of creatine could artificially make your GFR lower. If you tested this in the morning and didn't drink any water at all (or not much water), you probably were a little dehydrated and this could be also representing that. I recommend you pound one of those liter and a half bottles of water on your way over to the labs when you do your post PCT labwork. If it's still in the 70's, after that, just to be precautious, have your PCP start keeping an eye on this.

Egfr is now just estimate number is it not? His creatine of 1.3 would put him around 70…which is what might usually runs when Im lighter when Im heavier its a 1.5 cr/50 egfr ratio.

Personally I get happy when I see a 70 gfr. Being very muscular as you said, always skews the results of kidney function.

[Cuz]

My cycle:

Wk 1-12 Test-e, 250mg 2x/wk (500mg total/wk)
Wk 1-12 hCG 250iu 2x/wk (500iu total/wk)
Wk 7-12 Anavar 50mg ed
Wk 1-14 Aromasin 25mg ed

PCT will be as follows, 14 days after last injection:
Clomid 100/50/50/50 (comes in 50mg capsules)
Nolvadex 40/20/20/20


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When did you pull your bloods in relation to your last injection? How many days?

Also, thats overkill on the AI. Its not a sensitive E2, but that 14 is extremely low. I bet you are leaned out and your joints are killing you, unless youre really young.

For ex, my e2 was 67 on my trt test dose with total only being 533 …3 and half days after injection. Needless to say as i get older my E is creepin up.

Overall looks like a nice little cycle. Your lipids are fine imo, but make sure they drop down a tad after you pull bw when the cycle is over

[Honkey_Kong]

Egfr is now just estimate number is it not? His creatine of 1.3 would put him around 70…which is what might usually runs when Im lighter when Im heavier its a 1.5 cr/50 egfr ratio.

Personally I get happy when I see a 70 gfr. Being very muscular as you said, always skews the results of kidney function.

Yeah, it's just an estimate and can be somewhat inaccurate for somebody who is muscular. But none the less, it still something he and his PCP should keep an eye on. It's not serious right now, but he can take it as an opportunity to do "preventative maintenance" and avoid real problems down the road.

[BrotherTheresa]

When did you pull your bloods in relation to your last injection? How many days?

Also, thats overkill on the AI. Its not a sensitive E2, but that 14 is extremely low. I bet you are leaned out and your joints are killing you, unless youre really young.

For ex, my e2 was 67 on my trt test dose with total only being 533 …3 and half days after injection. Needless to say as i get older my E is creepin up.

Overall looks like a nice little cycle. Your lipids are fine imo, but make sure they drop down a tad after you pull bw when the cycle is over

Just went to dexa scan last week, body fat = 11.2% , age = 37

I've always been more on the lean side, but you fucking nailed it - my joints are killing me. I experienced a shoulder impingement at the end of this cycle. Ever since I started pct I've rehabbing it with PT exercises, hella sleep, bulking and only started lifting shoulders again about 2 weeks ago and light af. It was bad though, my ROM was so limited I couldn't reach above shoulder height to grab a cup out of the cupboard. Also a huge tribute to my recovery has been the bpc157+tb500. I've used bpc157 in the past for my knee and worked wonders but this was first time adding tb500. All in all I'm a huge fan of bpc157, not sure if I had enough tb500 to get the full use out of it though.

My blood work was taken on a Sunday morning and last test shot was that Thursday evening or Friday morning if i forgot to take it on time. So 2-3 days between shot and time bloodwork was drawn. Joint pain is result of crashing the estrogen because of the AI? My next cycle I was planning to just have nolva as first line of defense and with AI on hand and wait for the sides.

All of my shoulders, and neck are very very stiff though. Constant struggle right now... Been doing hour long stretch routines or yoga on days off, which seems to help some but still very stiff.

[Cuz]

Just went to dexa scan last week, body fat = 11.2% , age = 37

I've always been more on the lean side, but you fucking nailed it - my joints are killing me. I experienced a shoulder impingement at the end of this cycle. Ever since I started pct I've rehabbing it with PT exercises, hella sleep, bulking and only started lifting shoulders again about 2 weeks ago and light af. It was bad though, my ROM was so limited I couldn't reach above shoulder height to grab a cup out of the cupboard. Also a huge tribute to my recovery has been the bpc157+tb500. I've used bpc157 in the past for my knee and worked wonders but this was first time adding tb500. All in all I'm a huge fan of bpc157, not sure if I had enough tb500 to get the full use out of it though.

My blood work was taken on a Sunday morning and last test shot was that Thursday evening or Friday morning if i forgot to take it on time. So 2-3 days between shot and time bloodwork was drawn. Joint pain is result of crashing the estrogen because of the AI? My next cycle I was planning to just have nolva as first line of defense and with AI on hand and wait for the sides.

All of my shoulders, and neck are very very stiff though. Constant struggle right now... Been doing hour long stretch routines or yoga on days off, which seems to help some but still very stiff.

Yes sir, when you drop your estrogen down to nothing you generally feel shitty and ache like hell. Try backin off the AI some next time.

[BrotherTheresa]

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[BrotherTheresa]

I think the elevated AST is falsely triggered by my inflamed shoulder impingement I’ve been rehabbing.

How does everything look to yall?


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