boxers first cycle

[MK2]

I have been doing some research for my first cycle and i think I am gonna go with a deca durabolin /winstrol stack. I am not a pro fighter but I do a bit of boxing/kickboxing. I dont wanna get HUGE but I do wanna get a little bigger and harder. I currently lift weights 30 minutes a day 4 days a week and have kinda hit a dead in in my growth. I train boxing cardio 45 minutes a day 4 to 5 days a week. I am 5'7" and weigh 160-165. I'm a pretty small dude and would like to get a muscled up look that will stay with me. Any advice would be much appreciated.

[vivid]

if you are dead set on doing your first cycle research cycles with just a base test and deca that would be a good start

[G Child]

How long have you been training? Try adjusting your diet some.

Anyhow, you could replace the deca for test and run test/winny.

[MK2]

SO the deca winstrol combo is not a good move? From what I read it seems to be a good combo. Sorry...what is "test"

[MK2]

By the way I have been training with weights for about 3 years...boxing 1 year

[H.pYl0ri]

"Test" is any kind of testosterone . I think they're referring to it as not being a great stack for a novice user. Also you'll notice that most people prefer not to do deca without test. Test amount is always higher than the deca. 500mg test/wk 400mg deca/wk. I also go to the boxing gym 5 days a week but for 2 hours a day. I can say that before starting you need to make sure you have EVERYTHING. Here's my first stack and think that it would be a great one for you as a beginner.:
Even if you take the dbols out of the equation it's still a good stack

Dianabol 25mg/day
wks 1-5
Equipose 400mg/wk.
wks 1-12
Omnadren 250: 500mg/wk
wks 1-12
liquarim: .25 - .50mg/day
wks 1-14
clomid: day 1 - 300mg
day 2-11 - 100mg
day 12-21 - 50mg

The clomid starts 2 weeks after last test shot. I also had winny the last six weeks but I don't think you'll need it. I'm not saying to do this cycle just that this was my first one. I started at about 160lbs and I'm 5'11" three mos. after the cycle I was still a solid 184. Like I said though, you need to make sure you have EVERYTHING including some Nolvadex on hand incase of gyno symptoms. I would even say a test only cycle would be fine for you. I loved the omnadren. Solid lean muscle.

[MK2]

Thanks for the info. You mentioned 5 different products...I thought for the first time I might just wanna try 1 or 2 on a 6 to 8 week cycle.
Any other suggestions out there?

[Rookiejay]

I have been doing some research for my first cycle and i think I am gonna go with a deca durabolin/winstrol stack. I am not a pro fighter but I do a bit of boxing/kickboxing. I dont wanna get HUGE but I do wanna get a little bigger and harder. I currently lift weights 30 minutes a day 4 days a week and have kinda hit a dead in in my growth. I train boxing cardio 45 minutes a day 4 to 5 days a week. I am 5'7" and weigh 160-165. I'm a pretty small dude and would like to get a muscled up look that will stay with me. Any advice would be much appreciated.

I wouldn't go with deca if you want to run a short cycle, I just explained that in this thread

http://69.41.227.42/vbulletin/showth...threadid=63609

The way I understand your goals - test with some winny might be a good combination.

(If I were you I'd run Test E/ EQ (instead of deca)/ Winny and would extend it to 10 weeks)

IMO

[H.pYl0ri]

I did mention five but if you do some reading you will find out that the clomid is a MUST! For me the liquarim and nolvadex were also a must. Do some searches on the board here for TEST only cycle and see what you think. I think you'll find that majority say that 6-8 wks on test or deca is worthless and should be taken for atleast 10 wks. I would say fina but they say it's not for beginners. If you wanna go two compounds go Omnadren and Eq. BUT like I said the clomid, arimidex and nolvadex are a "must have on hand" I would say use the search button and do ALOT of reading.

[MK2]

Hey guys I have been doin some reading on test and it seems to be that it is mainly a mass builder with some nasty side effects and a lot of water rentention. I box so I cant balloon up I want lean hard quality muscle that I will be able to maintain. Rookiejay you mentioned a test e/eq/winny/clomid stack....would this benefit me if I removed the test?
Should I just go with the "basic" dosages?
Eq and winny seem to be the way to go for me as I am not a competing bodybuilder and dont wanna be too big. I am still researching so any advice is very helpful. I thought doin a cycle would be a lot easier...I feel like you gotta be a pharmacist to figure it out. I guess it is all just so new to me I am a little overwhelmed. Any other suggestions?