Showtime!!!!!

**skii96** · 09-02-2003, 12:55 PM

Here goes after a little break, getting ready for show season in April and am going all out....

wks 1-end Liquidex 1mg/ed
wks 1-4, 9-12 Dbol 60mg/ed
wks 1-12 Test enan 1200mg/wk
wks 1-10 Deca 600mg/wk
wks 1-12 Eq 600mg/wk

I will "coast" then for 4-5 wks or so on just 400mg/wk of test enan. Then after the first of the year I will start my cutting. Heres what the gear plan looks like....

wks 1-10 Test Prop 100mg/ed
wks 1-10 Fina 100mg/ed
wks 5-12 Winny 100mg/ed
wks 9-12 Halo 30mg/ed
wks 7-12 Proviron 50mg/ed
Rotating in T-rex and clen every 2 wks.

Also will be doing 500ius of HCG on Sat and Sun of each wk starting after wk 4.

Throughout this cycle heres a small list of other supps that i will also be taking everyday...
-Multi-vitamin
-ALA 2g's
- Inj. B-12 1000mcg

BTW Current stats as of yesterday were 5' 9" 226lbs and bf% around the same my avatar 10-12% or so.

**Rookiejay** · 09-02-2003, 01:11 PM

EQ and Deca same time - I don't know many people who've done that - but, IMO, it seems like a good combination - I was considering doing that once -- I'd love to hear everyone's opinion on that.

**BDTR** · 09-02-2003, 01:13 PM

They work great together if you're a deca fan... I'm not. Either way that cycle looks great, good luck with it.

**xxxl83** · 09-02-2003, 01:29 PM

Ski,

Looks good keep us posted on how it's going.

xxxl83

**D3m3nt3d** · 09-02-2003, 01:53 PM

hmm..I have always heard and often advised against doing both Deca and EQ together seeing as they target the same receptor sites, however if you choose to do it please keep me posted on the results

**BDTR** · 09-02-2003, 01:59 PM

Urban legend... All AAS target the same receptor, the AR receptor.

Originally Posted by D3m3nt3d

hmm..I have always heard and often advised against doing both Deca and EQ together seeing as they target the same receptor sites, however if you choose to do it please keep me posted on the results

**D3m3nt3d** · 09-02-2003, 02:01 PM

Originally Posted by bdtr

Urban legend... All AAS target the same receptor, the AR receptor.

All AAS target the same receptor? Or..could it be possible....AR receptor means Anabolic Review

**talon** · 09-02-2003, 02:02 PM

Originally Posted by bdtr

Urban legend... All AAS target the same receptor, the AR receptor.

Wow, there is already AAS urban legends? ....LOL....

**BDTR** · 09-02-2003, 02:03 PM

Androgen Receptor.

**Rookiejay** · 09-02-2003, 02:08 PM

Originally Posted by bdtr

Androgen Receptor.

Concurred.....

Different AS affect Androgen Receptor in various ways, as well as other effects.

**D3m3nt3d** · 09-02-2003, 02:46 PM

Originally Posted by Rookiejay

Concurred.....

Different AS affect Androgen Receptor in various ways, as well as other effects.

I see what your saying, but doesnt Deca and EQ affect the receptor in the same way, thus making it not suitable to run together?
I'm really not sure I mean 2 years ago when I was on this board alot, thats what was always said by most people, not to run them together.

But, Im not doubting anyones knowledge at all

**Rookiejay** · 09-02-2003, 03:05 PM

Originally Posted by D3m3nt3d

I see what your saying, but doesnt Deca and EQ affect the receptor in the same way, thus making it not suitable to run together?
I'm really not sure I mean 2 years ago when I was on this board alot, thats what was always said by most people, not to run them together.

But, Im not doubting anyones knowledge at all

That's a good point - they DO affect the receptor in the same way - and I think that's why not too many people use both deca and EQ.

However, the key is the additional effects that different AS have on your system. There was a great post by Segmund Froid (I'll bookmark it when I find it) - explaining that.

To make it short - there are other effects. For example (for many people - keep in mind everyone is different), EQ - increases appetite,
doesn't cause "deca dick", no water retention, etc.

I would like to get the effects EQ provides. That's why BDTR said - if you like deca, this is a good combo - I do like deca, and I'm considering running both deca and EQ for that reason.

**ItalianMuscle** · 09-02-2003, 03:10 PM

That cycle seems to be thought out ver good bro... Good Luck with everything

**Surfárn** · 09-02-2003, 03:21 PM

I'd switch the Deca or the Eq to some kind of test instead.

**BDTR** · 09-02-2003, 03:22 PM

He's already running 1200mg of test-E ew.

Originally Posted by Surfárn

I'd switch the Deca or the Eq to some kind of test instead.

**tryingtogetbig** · 09-02-2003, 03:38 PM

ski...what's your goal to gain/accomplish from that cycle? It looks stout as hell and well thought out...should have some pretty amazing results.

peace,

ttgb

**Rookiejay** · 09-02-2003, 03:41 PM

and SKII - see if you can post before and after pics. and the progress pics and thoughts..... would be very interesting to know.

**sfa2121** · 09-02-2003, 03:50 PM

If that cycle doesnt blow you up, I dont know what will. Make sure you post the results

**Rsox1** · 09-02-2003, 04:03 PM

serious cycle and well planned

**956Vette** · 09-02-2003, 04:05 PM

Good luck bro!

**skii96** · 09-02-2003, 05:06 PM

Thanx guys.

I knew the deca /eq combo would throw some people off but its for a reason. I've experienced both drugs on their own (of course with test) and they each effect me differently.

Deca-like everyone always its soothes your joints and makes the heavy lifting bearable.

Eq-Helps with hunger and gives me excellent pumps because of the increase in RBC.

Goals: Well am trying to pack on as much quality muscle as i can before i start dieting for the shows i will do back to back in April. Would like to compete as a HVWY, but i want to come in as hard as possible so weight is not really an issue for me.

I will definetly show some b4, after and some progress pics as i go along.

**D3m3nt3d** · 09-02-2003, 06:56 PM

Originally Posted by Rookiejay

That's a good point - they DO affect the receptor in the same way - and I think that's why not too many people use both deca and EQ.

However, the key is the additional effects that different AS have on your system. There was a great post by Segmund Froid (I'll bookmark it when I find it) - explaining that.

To make it short - there are other effects. For example (for many people - keep in mind everyone is different), EQ - increases appetite,
doesn't cause "deca dick", no water retention, etc.

I would like to get the effects EQ provides. That's why BDTR said - if you like deca, this is a good combo - I do like deca, and I'm considering running both deca and EQ for that reason.

Good info rookiejay,
Thanks

**BASK8KACE** · 09-02-2003, 08:07 PM

Bump...for more discussion on using EQ and Deca in the same cycle.

**trimunex** · 09-02-2003, 09:35 PM

I'd say most guys who run Deca and Eq together, run it for the same basic reasons as Skii ... joints and hunger.

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**skii96** · 09-03-2003, 12:05 PM

Bump for more to see and comment.

**xxxl83** · 09-03-2003, 12:16 PM

Skii,

What interests me more is the way you're running the hcg .
Will 500iu's every sat + sun be enough to stop testicular atrophy?
What benifits does this have over running the hcg 1000iu's for 5 days every few weeks?

xxxl83

**Rookiejay** · 09-03-2003, 12:17 PM

SKII, what kind of PCT are you planning to run?

**xxxl83** · 09-03-2003, 12:25 PM

Well pct shouldn't be so bad seeing as he's running hcg and l-dex through out the cycle. However he probably won't just run the standard clomid 300/100/50 method after a cycle like this.

Skii,

Also during you're "cruising" period are you gonna run clomid as well?

xxxl83

**BDTR** · 09-03-2003, 12:27 PM

At 400mg of test a week while cruising (im doing this as well with 500mg between cycles) I don't think clomid will help much to any significant degree. I also plan on running HCG in a similiar manner, I find it's a less aggressive approach, especially for long term.

**xxxl83** · 09-03-2003, 12:32 PM

Well the whole clomid during cycle thing is debated by some (not me) but the way he's running this cycle is close to Doggcraps method. And Doggcrap advises to run clomid throughout the "cruising" period.

So I'm just wondering where Skii stands with this in his cycle.

xxxl83

**skii96** · 09-03-2003, 12:36 PM

Originally Posted by xxxl83

Skii,

What interests me more is the way you're running the hcg .
Will 500iu's every sat + sun be enough to stop testicular atrophy?
What benifits does this have over running the hcg 1000iu's for 5 days every few weeks?

xxxl83

I dont know, every other longer cycle that i have ran i used it the way you stated above. Im just trying something new that i picked up somewhere...maybe Billy B? I cant remember.

**skii96** · 09-03-2003, 12:39 PM

Originally Posted by Rookiejay

SKII, what kind of PCT are you planning to run?

Well right after the show i will run HCG 1000iu's/ed for 10 days along with 40mg/ed of nolva. Then after that i will use 100mg/ed of clomid for 2 wks along with 40mg/ed of nolva, then for the next 2 wks or so i will run clomid 50mg/ed along with 20mg/ed of nolva. All the while i will be using some of Nelson M's ideas about post cycle, aventa, trib etc etc.

**skii96** · 09-03-2003, 12:40 PM

Originally Posted by xxxl83

Well pct shouldn't be so bad seeing as he's running hcg and l-dex through out the cycle. However he probably won't just run the standard clomid 300/100/50 method after a cycle like this.

Skii,

Also during you're "cruising" period are you gonna run clomid as well?

xxxl83

Yep during the cruising period i will be using 50mg/ed of clomid and 20mg/ed of nolva.

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