2nd cycle question

**diskey** · 11-07-2003, 05:44 AM

Hi guys!

I'm currently on my 8th week of my first cycle of
1-4 dbol 30mg ed
1-10 test enathe ew
+ post treatment ew

I'm doing fine and have almost gained 30 lbs

with 1% bf increase. Weight now is 210 lbs at 13,5 bf

blood pressure is normal and no side effects except quite shrinkage of my balls heh

But damn I'm ofcourse planning my next cycle as well. Right now I'm getting damn good prices on susta and eq, and I'm thinking of buying in some for later use.

Could this be a good second cycle for me ? too little, too much ?!
1-4 dbol 30mg ed
1-10 susta 500mg ew
1-10 eq 400 ew

I think in all cases I could get gyno from this and I'm wondering how much arimidex I could use to keep it away through the cycle.

Could I lean up with this cycle at the end ? how could I best do it ? is fina too strong for a 2nd cycle?

***asymmetrical1*** · 11-07-2003, 07:27 AM

Originally Posted by diskey

Hi guys!

I'm currently on my 8th week of my first cycle of
1-4 dbol 30mg ed
1-10 test enathe ew
+ post treatment ew

I'm doing fine and have almost gained 30 lbs

with 1% bf increase. Weight now is 210 lbs at 13,5 bf

blood pressure is normal and no side effects except quite shrinkage of my balls heh

But damn I'm ofcourse planning my next cycle as well. Right now I'm getting damn good prices on susta and eq, and I'm thinking of buying in some for later use.

Could this be a good second cycle for me ? too little, too much ?!
1-4 dbol 30mg ed
1-10 susta 500mg ew
1-10 eq 400 ew

I think in all cases I could get gyno from this and I'm wondering how much arimidex I could use to keep it away through the cycle.

Could I lean up with this cycle at the end ? how could I best do it ? is fina too strong for a 2nd cycle?

Bro, what you have there for a second cycle is good. Might consider staying with the ethanate and running that with 400mg eq. Also, run this cycle 12 weeks to let the eq kick in fully. Run a small amount of a dex with 10mg nolv if you are gno prone.
Congrats on the nice results of your first cycle too.

**TheMudMan** · 11-07-2003, 07:44 AM

Originally Posted by asymmetrical1

Bro, what you have there for a second cycle is good. Might consider staying with the ethanate and running that with 400mg eq. Also, run this cycle 12 weeks to let the eq kick in fully. Run a small amount of a dex with 10mg nolv if you are gno prone.
Congrats on the nice results of your first cycle too.

Agreed.......................... As long as you will be injecting the SUS at minimum E3D then you can go with the sus otherwise go with the Enan as asymmetrical1 said.

**diskey** · 11-07-2003, 08:06 AM

Originally Posted by TheMudMan

Agreed.......................... As long as you will be injecting the SUS at minimum E3D then you can go with the sus otherwise go with the Enan as asymmetrical1 said.

The reason I thought of sus is because it would be different from the enathe which I've used for now, maybe sus would kick more on my receptors..

also I know about the e3d day thing with sus. But I think 750mg-1g sust ew would be too much. But why not just split up 500 mg into 3 injections

If I run this cycle for 12 weeks...how could I lean up at the end ? could it be okey to throw in some t3 or winny at week 8-12 ? what do you think ?

**TheMudMan** · 11-07-2003, 08:16 AM

Originally Posted by diskey

The reason I thought of sus is because it would be different from the enathe which I've used for now, maybe sus would kick more on my receptors..

also I know about the e3d day thing with sus. But I think 750mg-1g sust ew would be too much. But why not just split up 500 mg into 3 injections

If I run this cycle for 12 weeks...how could I lean up at the end ? could it be okey to throw in some t3 or winny at week 8-12 ? what do you think ?

Yes just split the injections up over the week. 1g of test for a 2nd cycle is wat too much.

You don't want to run the t3 at the end of your cycle.......... throw it in the middle or at a point where you will have enough time for your thyroid to recover before starting PCT. Winny is fine to use durring weeks 10 - 15 (let the winny run up to PCT) at 50mg ED. You could also use Clen /ECA durring pct

***asymmetrical1*** · 11-07-2003, 08:35 AM

New vets were added, the fact that Mud is'nt a vet yet is a crime

**BASK8KACE** · 11-07-2003, 11:44 AM

Originally Posted by diskey

Could this be a good second cycle for me ? too little, too much ?!
1-4 dbol 30mg ed
1-10 susta 500mg ew
1-10 eq 400 ew

I think in all cases I could get gyno from this and I'm wondering how much arimidex I could use to keep it away through the cycle.

This looks like a good cycle. Using a long lasting ester such as enanthate or cypionate would certainly cut down on the amount of injections per week. But, as noted in the steriod profiles, "sustanon , milligram for milligram, has a better effect than testosterone enanthate , cypionate, and propionate alone [due to the synergy of the 4 testosterones in sustanon]."

In order to avoid gyno, consider taking 1 Arimidex every 2-3 days. If you know you are prone to gyno, consider taking 1 Arimidex every day (One Arimidex pill = 1mg of anastrozole).

Assuming 250mg/ml of sust...As far as splitting up the shots you could easily do this:
Mon 0.5cc of sust = 125mg
Wed 0.5 cc of sust = 125mg
Fri 1.0 cc of sust = 250mg*

This works out to be 500mg of sust per week.

*NOTE--I put the 250mg shot last since there would be 2 days (Sat. & Sun.) before your next shot each Monday.

**Madmax** · 11-07-2003, 12:38 PM

bro id change the second cycle...you need to run eq 12 weeks or longer, you need to run sust atleast at 750mg per week, stick to one estered test...MM

d-bol 40mg ed (1-12)
test cyp 600mg (1-12)
eq 400mg (1-12)

**Madmax** · 11-07-2003, 12:40 PM

also forgot to add run prop at 150mg eod (10-15)...MM

**BASK8KACE** · 11-07-2003, 12:53 PM

Originally Posted by Madmax

bro id change the second cycle...you need to run eq 12 weeks or longer, you need to run sust atleast at 750mg per week, stick to one estered test...MM...

also forgot to add run prop at 150mg eod (10-15)...MM

Madmax,

I'm curious...Why would you suggest running enan and prop instead of just running sustanon , which has both long and short acting esters in it? (This isn't a flame--it's an honest question).

I can't see why the sustanon would only be effective at 750mg per week as opposed to 500mg per week. Can somone esle offer some info on this debate?

**TheMudMan** · 11-07-2003, 01:00 PM

Maybe it's because it's easier to keep your blood levels constant with a single estered test than it is with SUS. Too many people will not run SUS corectly and are disapointed when thet don't see the gains they expected to see.

I don't think you see much of a gain from under 750mg os SUS either but I stopped recommending those dosages because I was tired of explaining why I suggest so much. So I have been using the canned 500mg of SUS E3D responce

**Madmax** · 11-07-2003, 01:03 PM

heres why, theres 4 esters in sust and to take full advantage
of those esters one needs to shoot at 250mg eod. 750 mg
isnt as bad, but at 500mg your test levels are all over the
place...he will get better results from a single estered test.
im a big fan of sust ive ran it on 3 cycles, i just think that
to be fully effective you need to shoot a higher dose than 500mg..
there has been numerous threads about the half life of sust, i will
try and find one....MM

**diskey** · 11-07-2003, 07:17 PM

Originally Posted by TheMudMan

Maybe it's because it's easier to keep your blood levels constant with a single estered test than it is with SUS. Too many people will not run SUS corectly and are disapointed when thet don't see the gains they expected to see.

I don't think you see much of a gain from under 750mg os SUS either but I stopped recommending those dosages because I was tired of explaining why I suggest so much. So I have been using the canned 500mg of SUS E3D responce

I thought Sus were made just for that reason - to keep blood leveles more stable. The time releasing effect ensures that leveles are kept steady at all time if you inject it at the right times like eod

Also I've seen friends gain easy with just 500 mg weekly - the same as with cyp and enathe cycles.

But one thing I never get really clear of is if the fast esthers in sust are kept back by the two more longer acting tests so that you really cant notice anything before at least 3 weeks, if you were to run sus alone. Actually I know it because friends have run it any says you don't notice anything the first weeks. But then when the mix kicks in how long is really the short esthers active in your body?!

**TheMudMan** · 11-07-2003, 07:27 PM

Originally Posted by diskey

I thought Sus were made just for that reason - to keep blood leveles more stable. The time releasing effect ensures that leveles are kept steady at all time if you inject it at the right times like eod

Also I've seen friends gain easy with just 500 mg weekly - the same as with cyp and enathe cycles.

But one thing I never get really clear of is if the fast esthers in sust are kept back by the two more longer acting tests so that you really cant notice anything before at least 3 weeks, if you were to run sus alone. Actually I know it because friends have run it any says you don't notice anything the first weeks. But then when the mix kicks in how long is really the short esthers active in your body?!

If anything SUS will make it harder to keep blood levels constant. There's 4 diferent types of tests in SUS.... all with diferent half-lifes.......... to keep levels constant you should EOD.

In my experiance I have yet to see considerable gains with 500mg of SUS. Now I did not say I didn't see any gains but gains were slower to come by.

Another thing madmax said about the same thing I did but you single me out

J/K bro...............................