tribulus won't shut you down, right?

**flexshack** · 11-12-2003, 12:40 PM

i am just making sure, but tribulus aren't prohormones, right? and therefore, won't shut down one's nat. test prod., right? just wondering because i am thinking about using them with some other pct goods. thanks.

**Ntpadude** · 11-12-2003, 12:53 PM

Originally Posted by flexshack

i am just making sure, but tribulus aren't prohormones, right? and therefore, won't shut down one's nat. test prod., right? just wondering because i am thinking about using them with some other pct goods. thanks.

Tribulus stimulates the HTPA and causes more LH to be released that activates your natural testosterone production to increase. Tribulus should be started 1 week after last injection and continued throughout PCT as it cranks up your natural testosterone which is everything you want to happen as quickly as possible with PCT.

There is another LH stimulator that is all natural, its called Long Jack and supposedly causes MORE testesterone production then GH or HCG , in fact Long Jack has been known to cause gyno because "some" individuals make the equivalent in natural testosterone to be equivalent to 750 mg test injections a week. Its worth knowing that when you quit Long Jack, testosterone production drops back to normal within 2 days, it causes worst prostrate enlargement then steroids do, causes enlargement of the balls sometimes dick too but these go back to original size after you quit long jack. Long jack is expensive because it can only be harvested from 10 year old tree roots, roots from younger trees dont work. People on long jack experience intense hot flashes.

**RoNNy THe BuLL** · 11-12-2003, 01:06 PM

Nothing over the counter will shut you down. No worries.

**daWhoady** · 11-12-2003, 01:11 PM

you'll be fine.

***asymmetrical1*** · 11-12-2003, 01:12 PM

Originally Posted by RoNNy THe BuLL

Nothing over the counter will shut you down. No worries.

prohormones can shut you down

**RoNNy THe BuLL** · 11-12-2003, 02:04 PM

Originally Posted by asymmetrical1

prohormones can shut you down

I'm from Canada, we don't sell prohomes over here. But I guess in Germany and in the States you guys do? So I retract my statement for those living outside of Canada

**bigsd67** · 11-12-2003, 02:22 PM

i've taken tribulus with good results and no shutdown...no worries.

**D3m3nt3d** · 11-12-2003, 02:24 PM

and nor-andro's can give you gyno...I know

***asymmetrical1*** · 11-12-2003, 03:18 PM

Originally Posted by RoNNy THe BuLL

I'm from Canada, we don't sell prohomes over here. But I guess in Germany and in the States you guys do? So I retract my statement for those living outside of Canada

Better off without them

**Ntpadude** · 11-12-2003, 03:20 PM

Originally Posted by RoNNy THe BuLL

I'm from Canada, we don't sell prohomes over here. But I guess in Germany and in the States you guys do? So I retract my statement for those living outside of Canada

Tribulus is not a prohormone... its an herb that stimulates your own natural testosterone production to increase some. Its probably best use with PCT but not strong enough to keep test production going while on steroids .

***asymmetrical1*** · 11-12-2003, 03:30 PM

Originally Posted by Ntpadude

Tribulus is not a prohormone... its an herb that stimulates your own natural testosterone production to increase some. Its probably best use with PCT but not strong enough to keep test production going while on steroids.

we are quite aware of that ntpa but thanks for the info

**Ntpadude** · 11-12-2003, 03:38 PM

Originally Posted by asymmetrical1

we are quite aware of that ntpa but thanks for the info

I believe tribulus also stimulates natural estrogen production in females as much as testosterone in males... its generally a both gender afrodesiac (spelling is shot) because natural increases in production for respective genders also increases sex drive, etc. Long Jack is another natural herb doing similar but is stronger in larger doses and can actually cause your natural testosterones to reach artificial steroid like levels, but at $200 for 2 weeks worth, its as pricey if not more so then growth hormone . Long Jack is a becoming endangered rain forest tree, only trees 10 years old or more have the testosterone stimulating effect so not much motive to make farms of this tree when it takes 10 years to get payback,

***asymmetrical1*** · 11-12-2003, 03:49 PM

Originally Posted by Ntpadude

I believe tribulus also stimulates natural estrogen production in females as much as testosterone in males... its generally a both gender afrodesiac (spelling is shot) because natural increases in production for respective genders also increases sex drive, etc. Long Jack is another natural herb doing similar but is stronger in larger doses and can actually cause your natural testosterones to reach artificial steroid like levels, but at $200 for 2 weeks worth, its as pricey if not more so then growth hormone. Long Jack is a becoming endangered rain forest tree, only trees 10 years old or more have the testosterone stimulating effect so not much motive to make farms of this tree when it takes 10 years to get payback,

very good info

**BIGB** · 11-12-2003, 09:31 PM

i Can't believe you guys actually, all he had to do was research a little AND WHAT THE FU-CK IS LONG JACK SOUNDS LIKE BULL SHIT TO ME.

**Ntpadude** · 11-13-2003, 03:07 AM

Originally Posted by BIGB

i Can't believe you guys actually, all he had to do was research a little AND WHAT THE FU-CK IS LONG JACK SOUNDS LIKE BULL SHIT TO ME.

Yahoo search for tongkat ali I believe is its more proper name for long jack. Its basically from Thailand, very controlled because thai govmtn is cracking down on deforestation of rain forests. Its basically an afro thats been used for 2000 years in chinese medicine and it turns out some official studies were conducted by Thailand Gvmt, Chinese and Japanese and they found before long jack a guy would have like 350 total testosterone , after a week of daily long jack therapy they tested out with 1200 total testosterone in system. Some of the Asian gvmt test results look fairly honest, but who knows....

**johnsomebody** · 11-13-2003, 01:06 PM

Tell me if this should be a new thread but can Tribulus be used in place of HCG during a cycle?

**the hulkster** · 11-13-2003, 01:14 PM

we just had a similar thread to this I think about 2-3 days ago, and no trib will not shut you down like everyone else has said. What about using yohimbe that sounds like the closest OTC thing to long jack to me. But i'll se if I can find that thread it kinda dissappeared.

whatcha gonna do......

**realityarts** · 11-13-2003, 01:17 PM

Originally Posted by Ntpadude

Yahoo search for tongkat ali I believe is its more proper name for long jack. Its basically from Thailand, very controlled because thai govmtn is cracking down on deforestation of rain forests. Its basically an afro thats been used for 2000 years in chinese medicine and it turns out some official studies were conducted by Thailand Gvmt, Chinese and Japanese and they found before long jack a guy would have like 350 total testosterone, after a week of daily long jack therapy they tested out with 1200 total testosterone in system. Some of the Asian gvmt test results look fairly honest, but who knows....

Perhaps this is best suited for the supplement forum, but... What are the active constituents (alkaloids...) in tongkat?

**realityarts** · 11-13-2003, 01:22 PM

Originally Posted by johnsomebody

Tell me if this should be a new thread but can Tribulus be used in place of HCG during a cycle?

I'd be interested in any information regarding those who have used natural substances (non-meds) successfully for PCT.

It appears that trib is definitely a good start as a natural alternative. I've read that others take it with 6-0X0 for PCT.

I'm not completely sold on the 6-0X0 -- it sounds good in the marketing info, but I'd have to see some solid studies.

RA

**abc 1** · 11-13-2003, 02:07 PM

Originally Posted by realityarts

I'd be interested in any information regarding those who have used natural substances (non-meds) successfully for PCT.

It appears that trib is definitely a good start as a natural alternative. I've read that others take it with 6-0X0 for PCT.

I'm not completely sold on the 6-0X0 -- it sounds good in the marketing info, but I'd have to see some solid studies.

RA

tribulus
avena sativa
maca
zinc

combined with nolva and clomid for pct. i am 2 months post cycle and have not had a let down yet. pretty sick, but i did run those supps for 7 weeks.

**Ntpadude** · 11-13-2003, 02:09 PM

Originally Posted by realityarts

I'd be interested in any information regarding those who have used natural substances (non-meds) successfully for PCT.

It appears that trib is definitely a good start as a natural alternative. I've read that others take it with 6-0X0 for PCT.

I'm not completely sold on the 6-0X0 -- it sounds good in the marketing info, but I'd have to see some solid studies.

RA

I dont believe the 6-OXO, but I would not depend on natural alternative for PCT along. I would do tribulus and long jack "with" Nolva and Clomid. Macca btw increases libido but was proven not to have any effect on testosterone production and yohimbe just does similar stuff that viagra does, no re-establishing of testosterone there, and horny goat weed also has been proven to have no effect on testosterone, it makes you horny in a somewhat similar fashion as marijuana does by simply making nerves in the penis more sensative, so it looks like the only LH stimulating stuff is tribulus and long jack/tongkat ali.

**abc 1** · 11-13-2003, 02:23 PM

maca isn't used for recovery purposes, it's used to help libido only post cycle. that is why it's included. it works well, when i have come off in the past with clomid only, i had no desire for sex. now, my desire is lower than when on (obviously) but much higher than any other time post cycle.

**the hulkster** · 11-18-2003, 08:17 PM

I getting ready to start my PCT tommorow and have a supp I'm gonna add to my clomid, It's called methoxy test, it has avena sativa, trib terrestris, methoxyisoflavone, and urtica dioica in it, I'll let you fellas know how it turns out, nothing better to help questions out than being the guinea pig.

Whatcha gonna do brother...