my new cycle

[Steven7]

Hey, after a lot of debate I've finally started my new cycle.

Wk 1-3 1ml Ganabol ED, 2ml Prop ED + 50mg D/bol ED
Wk 3-4 3ml Ganabol ED + 60mg D/bol ED
Wk 4-6 1ml Tren ED + 150mg Winny ED
20mg of nolvadex ED throughout.
I'll be taking T4 throughout with Clen at 2wks on 2 wks off with ephedrine/caffiene/asprin in the off wks.
What do you think??
I'm 6ft and 182lb. I've got 10% bodyfat and I've been training for 3 years.
My diet is immaculate at the moment too.

[trimunex]

How much experience do you have? And how much research have you done? I'm not sure where to start on this one!

[gundam675]

please give us the dosages bro, not the amount. 1 ml tren means nothing to us. it can be 150 mg or 50 mg. and i hope u didnt actually start that cycle bro. cause it is honestly a mess. i too do not even know where to start on this one.

[Steven7]

The prop is Virormone 100mg per ml
The tren is 75mg per ml
the gana is 50mg per ml
I've done cycles of deca prop cypionate D/bol testex all in different combinations before

[DocHoliday]

I’m not liking the cycle to be honest.

1. Prop and Dbol for the first three weeks? Why?
2. 60mg of Dbol the week? Too much.
3. Tren and winstrol for two weeks? Not long enough
4. Whole cycle 6 weeks? Way too short.

Who did you debate this with? The latter part of your cycle sounds like you’re cutting, the first sounds like you’re bulking? Answer Trimunex’s, and Gundam’s questions and state your goals and we can help more.

Doc

[Steven7]

I've been trying to get advice from some people about the cycle. My aim is to cut. When I suggested a cycle of Tren , EQ and winny, I was told I needed test so I opted for prop. I was also told that D/bol for the first 3 wks d/bol would be fine as long as nolva was present.

[956Vette]

Why do you really want to cut w/ 10%bf already?
-and yeah, the cycle above is all screwed up IMO

[DocHoliday]

Ok…you want to cut, so lets modify this a bit.

If you don’t mind the everyday injections.

Wk 1-4 Dbol 40mg ed
Wk 1-10 Prop 75mg ed
Wk 1-10 Tren 75mg ed

Nolva on hand and proper pct

Doc

[DocHoliday]

May not be the perfect cycle, but it’s better than what you had. I’m not sure if you want to start tren with your prop or end them at the same time. I’m still reading up on trenbolone .

Have you started your cycle yet?

Doc

[Steven7]

Yeah, I started with 100mg of prop and 50mg of ganabol along with 50mg of d/bol yesterday. I've been pretty desperate to start to be honest. I'm trying to get in good shape for christmas.

[DocHoliday]

Don’t rush dude, you’ll geek your stuff up that way. I’d get more tren and more prop to run 10 weeks worth. You only need 40mg of Dbol at max. You’re not that big or heavy where you need 50mg ed. IMO.

[DocHoliday]

Also, no need for 100mg of prop my man unless you’re running it every other day. 100mg of prop everyday is a BUTT LOAD.

[Steven7]

Should I just forget about the EQ then? I was told that was one of the best for cutting.

[DocHoliday]

Yes forget about the EQ. Unless you run for 12 weeks. Dude, prop and fina are enough. I’m not sure if you’re ready for that.

How’s your training?

Keep it simple dude. Simple. Like your women. Keep ‘em simple.

Doc

[Steven7]

My training's good. I'm benching 225 at the moment. Never been much of a squater to be honest. I think I'll run prop@50mg/day and tren @100mg/day for 10wks then hit the EQ 50mg?day with 100mg of winstol/day for 4 wks. How does that sound?

[956Vette]

My training's good. I'm benching 225 at the moment. Never been much of a squater to be honest. I think I'll run prop@50mg/day and tren@100mg/day for 10wks then hit the EQ 50mg?day with 100mg of winstol/day for 4 wks. How does that sound?

cut the tren and winstrol dose in half.

IMO you are not ready for cycling. be patient and study some more, or else you are going to run into some problems that otherwise could have been avoided.

good luck

[DocHoliday]

Sounds bad.

Run the prop at 75mg each day or 50mg, but I’d run 75mg.

Run the tren like you said at 100mg each day.

The reason you don’t want to run the EQ and Winstrol for 4 weeks at the end is because two reasons:

1. You need to time correctly for PCT
2. You need to run EQ much longer than 4 weeks, in fact 3x’s as long for about 12 weeks.

Also. I would advise against winny if you have not been taking chondriton and glucosamine for over a month leading up to it. Winny will dry joints out and could potentially lead to injury.

You’re trying to throw EVERYTHING in at once. Not a good idea. You have time. Be patient. Two compounds is enough.

If you really want throw the EQ in there and run everything for 12 weeks: prop, tren and eq.

It’s your money, and your body. I would be worried more about your body, and do this right.

Doc

[Steven7]

Thanks Doc, you've been a good help. I'm just keen to get started man. I'm well known for being impatient. I'm gonna give your tren EQ and prop suggestion a go. Thanks dude.

[956Vette]

How old are you btw? And i disagree with doc's advice to still run tren at 100mg ED. It doesnt even seem to me that Steven7 is advanced/prepared enough for ED injections alone, sorry.
I think you should start back from stratch and if you must, run some enth/cyp-something like that.

[Steven7]

I'm 24. My last cycle was 200mg of Deca eod wk 1-8
250mg of sus eod wk 1-10
50mg of d/bol ed wk1-2 + 8-10
70mg of d/bol wk 3-7
I've done around 6 cycles in the past.
The thing is, I can get whatever I want except for advice. I'm NOT a novice to juice or training. I am however a novice to proper cycling. Most people I talk to on this site will say, "you need more research"
What exactly is the steroid questions part of AR for if it's not to get info??

[956Vette]

Wow! 10 wks of heavy dbol use. How often do you get your bloodwork done?

[clockworks]

i'm biased to:
week 1-8 80mg ED test prop
week 1-8 75mg ED tren
week 2-PCT 10-20mg tamoxifen (nolva)
normal clomid PCT



-- clocky

[Steven7]

I probably wouldn't use d/bol as heavy again. I felt fine with it, but from reading up more and more I'm going to moderate it a lot more. I have 1000 d/bol, but I'm trying to keep water retention to a minimum at the moment. I like the look of clockworks suggested cycle, but couldn't I add EQ in there somewhere?

[DocHoliday]

How old are you btw? And i disagree with doc's advice to still run tren at 100mg ED. It doesnt even seem to me that Steven7 is advanced/prepared enough for ED injections alone, sorry.
I think you should start back from stratch and if you must, run some enth/cyp-something like that.

I agree Vette,

Steve 0 # 7 should go back to the basics and start with a single ester.

My suggestion may have been premature. However, now that he’s posted his past cycle experience, and he’s already running prop, the everyday injections shouldn’t pose a problem.

Steve, thanks for being honest and saying you’re a novice to “proper” cycling.

If you can get anything you want then I suggest you try this cycle. It will still be a cutting cycle.

Wk 1-12 T-Enanthate /Cypionate 400mg ew
Wk 1-12 Equipoise 350-400mg ew

Nolva on hand and proper PCT. I don’t think you want your EQ ran quite as high as your test. If either is going to be higher it’s def the test.

Doc

[Steven7]

o.k. thanks, I'm not sure what PCT is though.

[trimunex]

PCT = post cycle therapy (i.e., Clomid, Nolva, HCG , etc.)

I'd suggest doing some more research and hitting up the educational forum for a little while. AAS is not something you want to jump into without the proper planning.

[Steven7]

Just not sure of the abbreviations bro.

[DocHoliday]

Traditional, or more proper the most agreed upon common PCT is a Clomid and Nolvadex combo.

So lets say you’re running 10mg of Nolvadex every day of your cycle. You continue up to and through PCT.

Timing your PCT is crucial. Rather, timing your clomid is crucial.

Lets say you go with Cypionate , you administer clomid 21 days after your last injection.
If you go with Enanthate you administer clomid 14 days after your last injection.

I’m not sure of timing with Propionate though. I can find out. Or you can find out yourself by researching “clomid” “pct” “propionate.”

You absolutely need PCT. For various reasons. I would say top two reasons: recovery (obviously) and keeping gains.

Doc

[Steven7]

Thanks doc. I ran a search. 300mg of Clomid 3 days after last injection then 100mg for 3 weeks.

[DocHoliday]

Just make sure that’s right. Then make sure you’re running the right cycle and making the right decision. 6 cycles behind you. I would imagine you “should” be monsterous. I hope you can learn from this board.

Best advice, take it easy. Take all this advice and keep learning and apply it in the FUTURE. It’s your body, don’t geek it up.

Doc

[Steven7]

I agree! I should be monsterous. I suffered a nasty arm break the last time I competed, so I couldn't train at all for 12 weeks. I lost a lot of size and gained a few lbs of fat. I'm fully recovered now and I've got the fever again. I'll double check the Clomid facts again though.

[custom fit]

Here's my suggestion:

1-14 test prop 100mg eod
1-6 tren 100mg eod
8-14 winstrol 50mg eod


If your going to shoot 700mg of test prop per week, I personally think the chances of cutting will be harder rather if you went with eod shoots totaling up 300 - 400mg of test prop.

make sure you run some kind of anti-e through your cycle b/c once off tren the production of progesteron will elevate which may cause unwanted sides affects.

[Steven7]

I'll be taking 20mg of Tamoxifen (Nolva) Throughout the cycle. Can I mix the prop and Tren in the same syringe? Can I take EQ with this stack?

[clockworks]

I'll be taking 20mg of Tamoxifen (Nolva) Throughout the cycle. Can I mix the prop and Tren in the same syringe? Can I take EQ with this stack?

sure, why not...=) 300-400mg/week should be sufficient. yes you can mix the prop and tren in the same syringe.

i think you'll love the prop+tren. i love my results (soon to be posted, check back on sunday night). i didn't get any bloat, lost some bodyfat, developed some good, hard muscle...=)

-- clocky

[clockworks]

1-14 test prop 100mg eod
1-6 tren 100mg eod
8-14 winstrol 50mg eod

ehh, he's got 7 cycles under his belt, maybe he'd be better off with higher dosages. up the prop to 80mg ED and that'll put him at 560mg/week which i think is perfect. i did 60mg ED of tren (first cycle) and in the end, i wish i had done 75mg ED. also, whats the reasoning for not doing the tren thru week 8?

-- clocky

[Steven7]

I'm loving it clocky! I'm so lookin forward to starting this one. I've rediscovered the drive. I'm back to good strength and I'm ready to rock 'n' roll!!

[DocHoliday]

Just be smart steve.

That’s the main thing. Read up.

Doc