Need Advice On A Deca/ Primobolan Cycle

[.:Jay:.]

Background Info:
This will be my first steroid cycle, and I am about to turn 22 on 4/4. I have been training for over a year (13 months now), and am in relatively good shape. I am 6'1" and weigh 173lbs. I have a friend who had some great gains on half a cycle of these 'roids, and he in turn has offered to hook me up.

Questions:
I am purchasing Deca and Primobolan next Friday, so it's important for me to learn the best way of taking these two. I have heard a couple of different ways, so i'm looking to see if anyone can tell me from their own personal experience. Also, this dude told me it won't hurt to take liver pills and that i should take them. But in the steroid profile section, i don't see anything stating that either of these products can affect you liver. He also said that i should take ACG 16 days after the 8 week cycle, but other people have told me it isn't neccessary since it is my first time. I am also curious as to wether or not Nolvadex is neccessary. I really don't want 'bitch tits'.

Thanks!

[asymmetrical1]

research bro.........testless cycle not the right answer
primo is a cutter, deca is a blower
bad combo
you need to figure out what you want to accomplish, and then research the best way to do that

[.:Jay:.]

oh sit, i almost forgot. I haven't read this anywhere and i was told this wouldn't hapen, but with this cycle, will i get bloated and fat looking (which i hear is the result of water retention).

[TRE]

If he can get other kinds of gear you should really start off with a test cycle only or a test/deca , test/primo, test/dbol , etc. You basicly should have some test in there.

[.:Jay:.]

research bro.........testless cycle not the right answer
primo is a cutter, deca is a blower
bad combo
you need to figure out what you want to accomplish, and then research the best way to do that

Man, i want to gain mass but not look bloated. my goal is to gain as much lean muscle mass as possible.

Also, i thought it was cool to take these 2 together because i read this in the profile section... "Those who have more patience or are afraid of potential side effects will usually be very satisfied with a stack of Primobolan Depot 200 mg/week and Deca-Durabolin 200-400 mg/week."

[TRE]

It depends everyone reacts differently. Thats why they say run a test only cycle to start so you know how it affects you. Primo won't add water weight and deca and test can be controlled. However dont expect to not hold any water.

[TRE]

The deca might give you a limp noodle though if you dont run it with test.

[.:Jay:.]

The deca might give you a limp noodle though if you dont run it with test.

Ok, lol, that is most definitely UNACCETABLE.

[razor67]

you would be doing yourself a favor by running a test enanthate cycle for the first..
500mg a week for 10 weeks...
do some research. there is alot of good info on this board..
you can start here.

http://anabolicreview.com/vbulletin/...ad.php?t=77975

[.:Jay:.]

What if i were to take the deca with PRIMOTESTON ?

[TRE]

Exactly. Run test and primo if you want to get a clean 15 pounds, something like.

1-11 test cyp or enth 400mg a week
1-10 Primo 200mg a week
Nolv 20mg every day
pct of clomid 2 weeks after last shot.

Take the shots mon and thur.

[razor67]

primotestons are good.. very good..
but i would run it without the deca for now. see how you react to the test

[Sorken]

as they already said.. no test no cycle !

[.:Jay:.]

i get yall... so nolvadex is a REQUIREMENT?

[TRE]

Always take anti-e's with every cycle (my opinion)

[razor67]

atleast have it on hand...

[razor67]

BTW..do you have clomid for pct?

[.:Jay:.]

no man, i have access to ACG... is there a difference?

[.:Jay:.]

"however, one's reflected image after a few weeks often shows completely flat, watery, and puffy muscles. The muscles appear as if they have been pumped up with air' to new dimensions, yet during flexing nothing happens. Those who do not believe this should bother to go visit the so called "body building champions" during the OFF-season when these exaggerated quantities of "Testo" come in"

that just scared the hell out of me... is this really common even if i dont take 500 mg?

[TRE]

If you take a long ester test, dbol , drol, deca , etc without an anti e you may look a little round while on cycle. When you stop the water comes off and muscle is revealed.

[Ben Lifton]

I would scrap the primo and add test... make sure you have anti-e's ... that will help with the bloating that you seem to be worried about. Like asymmetrical1 said test-less is not the answer... I have run test/deca and test/primob before.... test/deca would be my choice...

[asymmetrical1]

primo is decent....but not worth the $$$$, better options for cutting and clean mass, and their are way too many fakes

[TRE]

QV stuff is pretty easy to find and legit. However very true about fakes, I got taken a few times.

[man-g]

If you dont want all that water you could go with test prop(for instance Viramone) and Durabolin (not deca )...this will give you more lean muscles with much less water and less sides in general.

The only downside is more injections, but i think it's worth it.