3rd cycle ( hardcore advice )

**Russ616** · 03-11-2004, 12:49 PM

This is my third real cycle. I screwed around on my first with test enth and didn't know what I was doing... So this could be called my fourth cycle...

What do you think?

wk 1-4 30mg Dbol ed
wk 1-14 400mg EQ
wk 1-16 600mg Cyp.
wk 15-18 75mg prop ed
pct 3 days after last prop injection. 300/100/50 clomid 20mg nolv. ( pct 21 days long )

Let me know what you think. Should I start the prop a week earlier or am I fine. I want to run it up to the start of pct.

**Russ616** · 03-11-2004, 12:53 PM

Originally Posted by Russ616

This is my third real cycle. I screwed around on my first with test enth and didn't know what I was doing... So this could be called my fourth cycle...

What do you think?

wk 1-4 30mg Dbol ed
wk 1-14 400mg EQ
wk 1-16 600mg Cyp.
wk 15-18 75mg prop ed
pct 3 days after last prop injection. 300/100/50 clomid 20mg nolv. ( pct 21 days long )

Let me know what you think. Should I start the prop a week earlier or am I fine. I want to run it up to the start of pct.

Stats: 5'7" 175lbs ( 3 real cycles under my belt )
last cycle 14 weeks of 400mg deca 500mg sust and 4wks of winny 50mg ed....
I am not going to start this cycle until august but I need to get the gear ready...

**ColdSore** · 03-11-2004, 12:54 PM

do you feel like you still grow pretty well with test in the 500-600mg range?

**Butch** · 03-11-2004, 01:01 PM

I like that....I am doing something similar....instead of cyp i am using enth @ 500mgs....and my dbol is 40mgs....i have a question for you, by taking the prop what are you hoping to achieve?

**ColdSore** · 03-11-2004, 01:09 PM

Originally Posted by Butch

I like that....I am doing something similar....instead of cyp i am using enth @ 500mgs....and my dbol is 40mgs....i have a question for you, by taking the prop what are you hoping to achieve?

hes useing the prop up untill pct...it keeps you from having to wait for the esters to clear out on their own...run prop and you can start pct 3 days after your last injection

**toolman** · 03-11-2004, 01:17 PM

Solid cycle, I like it!

**Russ616** · 03-11-2004, 01:25 PM

Originally Posted by ColdStone

do you feel like you still grow pretty well with test in the 500-600mg range?

I think I still hang with 600mgs of Test. My body responded really well to only 500mgs of SUSt. So this time around I decided to up the test to 600 but use a single ester...

**ColdSore** · 03-11-2004, 01:44 PM

Originally Posted by Russ616

I think I still hang with 600mgs of Test. My body responded really well to only 500mgs of SUSt. So this time around I decided to up the test to 600 but use a single ester...

ok...well i was just gonna suggest going up to 750 if your gonna do over 500, but do what your comfortable with...

IMO i would run the EQ at 500mg (depending on what mg/ml your stuff is, or maybe 600mg?)...have you used EQ before?

what about running deca instead of EQ for this one???...it seems like a good bulker but IMO deca would be better here...just a thought

also you need to run the prop to week 19...pct for cyp needs to be started 3 weeks after...2 weeks for enth

other than the pct tweak it looks good to me...

**dangit** · 03-11-2004, 01:46 PM

Yeah, good cycle for sure

I like the prop thing at the end too.

**razor67** · 03-11-2004, 01:50 PM

Originally Posted by ColdStone

ok...well i was just gonna suggest going up to 750 if your gonna do over 500, but do what your comfortable with...

IMO i would run the EQ at 500mg (depending on what mg/ml your stuff is, or maybe 600mg?)...have you used EQ before?

what about running deca instead of EQ for this one???...it seems like a good bulker but IMO deca would be better here...just a thought

also you need to run the prop to week 19...pct for cyp needs to be started 3 weeks after...2 weeks for enth

other than the pct tweak it looks good to me...

i believe pct starts 2 weeks after both cyp and enanthate ..

**Da Bull** · 03-11-2004, 01:53 PM

Originally Posted by ColdStone

ok...well i was just gonna suggest going up to 750 if your gonna do over 500, but do what your comfortable with...

IMO i would run the EQ at 500mg (depending on what mg/ml your stuff is, or maybe 600mg?)...have you used EQ before?

what about running deca instead of EQ for this one???...it seems like a good bulker but IMO deca would be better here...just a thought

also you need to run the prop to week 19...pct for cyp needs to be started 3 weeks after...2 weeks for enth

other than the pct tweak it looks good to me...

Sorry bro,but cyp half life is 12-13 days.Enan is 10-11.

**TheMudMan** · 03-11-2004, 01:57 PM

Originally Posted by Da Bull

Sorry bro,but cyp half life is 12-13 days.Enan is 10-11.

Not true....... Cyp's half life is around 18 days.

**Da Bull** · 03-11-2004, 02:00 PM

Originally Posted by TheMudMan

Not true....... Cyp's half life is around 18 days.

Mud I argued the same thing with The Original Jason..til he showed me the facts.Pheedno was in on the discussion also.

**TheMudMan** · 03-11-2004, 02:04 PM

Originally Posted by Da Bull

Mud I argued the same thing with The Original Jason..til he showed me the facts.Pheedno was in on the discussion also.

Pheedno is the one that gave me this info.......... All I know I've ran cyp a few times and have always waited 3 weeks to start PCT....... I'm always up and good to go about 2 weeks into PCT so I'm not changing what works.

**ColdSore** · 03-11-2004, 02:05 PM

Originally Posted by Da Bull

Sorry bro,but cyp half life is 12-13 days.Enan is 10-11.

its 18 days...i swear i wouldnt lie

***Pheedno*** · 03-11-2004, 02:08 PM

Enan active life is 10-12 Cyp is 13-15. You start PCT 14 days after Enan, and 18 days after Cyp

Also, another thing you have to remember is half life and active life are dose dependant, but in the amount we're shooting, the above is applicable

***Pheedno*** · 03-11-2004, 02:10 PM

Originally Posted by Russ616

This is my third real cycle. I screwed around on my first with test enth and didn't know what I was doing... So this could be called my fourth cycle...

What do you think?

wk 1-4 30mg Dbol ed
wk 1-14 400mg EQ
wk 1-16 600mg Cyp.
wk 15-18 75mg prop ed
pct 3 days after last prop injection. 300/100/50 clomid 20mg nolv. ( pct 21 days long )

Let me know what you think. Should I start the prop a week earlier or am I fine. I want to run it up to the start of pct.

wk 1-5 35mg Dbol ed
wk 1-16 200mg EQ E3D
wk 1-16 300mg Cyp. E3D
wk 17-20 75mg prop ed

.25mg L-dex + 10mg Nolva throughout

.25mg L-dex + 100mg Clomid + 20mg Nolva for 30 days- 3 days post prop injection

**ColdSore** · 03-11-2004, 02:35 PM

Originally Posted by Russ616

Here , I adjusted the cycle:

wk 1-4 35mg Dbol ed ( upped 5mgs )
wk 1-14 400mg EQ
wk 1-16 600mg Cyp.
wk 15-19 75mg prop ed ( added extre week )
pct 3 days after last prop injection. 300/100/50 clomid 20mg nolv. ( pct 21 days long )

I have plenty of deca 300. Should I change the eq for deca. I ran 400mgs deca in my last cycle for 12 weeks. I am looking for a little less bloating and water but if the deca is far superior I will change. If I stay with the eq is 400mg enough...