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by , 04-09-2011 at 04:29 PM (1607 Views)
For a first cycle of test prop is best. I don't care what needle phobia people have, you gotta make sacrifices. Imo doing 2shots a week is only empowering your phobia. Take it head on and beat it. A tip for injecting everyday, whatever body part you inject be sure to work that part hard, ex inject quad on a squat day, Inject self on a shoulder day, etc. This will help disperse the oil throughout the muscle belly which will help ease the pain. It will feel like its extra sore but rotate sites. I recommend L,R pect, delta, bis, tris,quad. I did calf once and I was crippled for a day lol, same with gluetes I hated there cuz all it does is knot up. You can also do lat and trap shots if you have someone doing it for you, I found it hard to self inject there. If you find that its just to severe then take the normal dose of ibuprofen but don't overdo it because it decreases protein synthesis. If you find you are having a allergic reaction (fever, itchy injections, random sweating, flushing, etc) then a dose of benedryl will help ease but take it opposite of workouts to help max gains and no side effect interference.
As for the cycle:
test prop ed 50-100mg 6-8 weeks. on first day front load 2mls of ur mgs to help increase stability quicker Bigger people can use more test from there is more receptors. But nonetheless 50mg would be good for any size also. 7 weeks is perfect because with 100mg/ml prop with a 2ml frontload on the first day works out to 25mls (50mg ed) or 50mls (100mg ed) which makes it easy to get exactly
Anything stronger that would be overkill and anything lower I would consider as therapeutic so like 25mg ed for reading injuries combines with (depending in age) Hgh doing 5-2 on/off *not very up to date on my Hgh knowledge
Along with the cycle hcg should be injected 2x week at 250ius each during the cycle this is necessary because it acts as LH in the male body which is required for your testes to work, hence keep them from shrinking, this should be considered a staple. Then during pct it should be injected 2500ius 1x week for the first 2 weeks. The current protocol for hcg in test boosting is 5000iu 1x week. Since we are coming off cycle with xtra test this helps boost the testes kinda like a kick start for the testes. This combined with nolva which is a serm, aka blocks receptors, would help prevent the excess estrogen from taking over while the hcg stimulates the test production to rebalance the hpta axis. The nolva should be ran 40/40/20/20 mg ed . *So that's 4 weeks*
For a first cycle clomid is not needed and can be overkill. Clomid is def necessary for a cycle including a 19-nor due to its effects on the downregulation of hormone genes. Clomid reduces the negative feedback to the hypothalamus so it goes into overdrive producing hormones. This flood of hormones is what's responsible for the menopausal side effects. This drug should only be used when u have the 19-nor since it can help reverse the suppressiveness of the altered hormones. 17a are usually orals and are hard on liver and hairline due to its conversion to dht. Clomid can be used with this or not ur choice.
As for estrogen sides on cycle wait to see if they develop, chances are none will due to injecting a lower dose of test rather than a big dose of test
2x a week. If they do start then if you are taking 100mg ed drop to 50mg and start taking nolva. 10-20mg a day. If it doesn't go away then get a ai, letro, preferably because it has much better lipid penetrating actions which is where test is being converted to estrogen. Also Prolly safe to say bodyfat was a little high.*I don't know letro dosage
Pct should after last shot, wait a day then begin.
And that's about it on the hormone part. All this means nothing without proper diet and workouts and being able to stay consistent. However with the fast acting prop that ain't be a problem lol

As a charted summary:
first test only cycle or 2nd or 3rd or ...
Test prop 50mg ed week 1 - 7 with 100mg on first day
Hcg 250 ius 2x week, week 2-7
Pct: Next day after last shot
Nolva 40/40/20/20/20/20 mg ed
Clomid 100/50/25/25

Any thoughts/arguments/suggestions?

Found these studys:
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science...0&searchtype=a

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7007373 this one is good!!!

http://geronj.oxfordjournals.org/content/33/2/197.short

And another :
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/1...037.x/abstract

http://joe.endocrinology-journals.or...tract/57/2/277

Updated 08-19-2012 at 01:49 PM by Lemonada8

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  1. Dorko's Avatar
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    Looks pretty good.

    Thanks for the details too! Hit me up on googletalk when you get a few please.!!
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    As far as the LETRO, WHEN and IF I were to get sides (gyno, sore nips, etc) I bump the test shots to 50mg ED, and start taking nolva at 20mg ED for week 1, then 10mg ED for week 2. If it STILL doesn't go away I would start to take LETRO.

    Once taking the Letro, whats the easiest way to combat the estrogen rebound? More Nolva for 2 weeks after I stop taking the Letro? That is if I get sides in the first place.

    Does this sound correct?
  3. Wee Moose's Avatar
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    nice post, good info, excellent ref to back up. I've never used so shouldn't say that is looks like a lot for 1st cycle. I will however consider e-mailing yourself for further info when I do start. Please keep post coming.
    Ty
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dorko
    As far as the LETRO, WHEN and IF I were to get sides (gyno, sore nips, etc) I bump the test shots to 50mg ED, and start taking nolva at 20mg ED for week 1, then 10mg ED for week 2. If it STILL doesn't go away I would start to take LETRO.

    Once taking the Letro, whats the easiest way to combat the estrogen rebound? More Nolva for 2 weeks after I stop taking the Letro? That is if I get sides in the first place.

    Does this sound correct?
    You would take the letro during the cycle and stop when pct starts. You don't have to lower the dose of test if u don't want to just might help if sides are real bad.
    If u get sides u can start with nolva at 10mg/day and go up from there you should see a difference but don't go over 20mg on cycle if no improvement then go for letro.

    The reason I say letro vs adex is due to the nature of the short ester, you won't be injecting 250mg test at once. The longer ester makes it more prone to sides. I say letro because if u are taking a normal test amount and still getting sides then bodyfat is Prolly a bit high and letro is better in adipose tissue than adex.
  5. Dorko's Avatar
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    That's IF I get sides. Or do I take metro no matter what?
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    Letro*
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    Update on PCT.

    After further research and reading and discussing, both weeks of HCG during pct in unneccessary.

    so PCT


    Clomid 50mg ED 2 weeks
    Nolva 40/40/20/20 or Tore 120/120/60/60

    New update: in new blog post
    Updated 11-27-2011 at 08:07 PM by Lemonada8
  8. Flier's Avatar
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    This will be my next cycle coming up. Prop/HGH/HCG
    I will however run both Nolv/Clo. Running Nolv 5 weeks, and Clo. 4. Starting Clo. at 100mg for first week. Are u suggesting only 2 weeks Clo.? U think 100mg is excessive?

    Also will be using HCG during cycle. Never heard of 2500iu 1x week during PCT to boost the testies. Why, if the testies has been kept functional during cycle? Will this not cause the feedback loop to keep the Hyp/Pit shut down?

    You are not mentioning AI on cycle. I am debating if Im gonna run .25 Adex EOD or not. You think just wait to see if sides occur?

    Thanks