clen

[buckeyefootball4]

what do u guys think above clen for strength gain?

[timtim]

crappy. fries out your central nervous system which would negatively effect strength increases. its not anabolic so there really would be no strength increases. have done it in the past (stopped @ 2000 because it chews up heart tissue - actually causes cell death in animals, i can post the study if you like).

[buckeyefootball4]

crappy. fries out your central nervous system which would negatively effect strength increases. its not anabolic so there really would be no strength increases. have done it in the past (stopped @ 2000 because it chews up heart tissue - actually causes cell death in animals, i can post the study if you like).

plz post. i try it in the fall and got great strength gains.
Fat loss: The most popular use for Clen , it also increases muscle hardness,
vascularity, strength and size on a caloric deficit. For the most significant
fat loss, Clen can be stacked with T3. Diet: A high protein(1.5g per lb of
bodyweight), moderate carb(0.5g to 1g per lb of bodyweight), low fat diet(0.25g
per lb of bodyweight) seems to work best with Clen.

Alternative to Steroids : Clenbuterol has mild steroid -like properties and can be
used by non-AS using bodybuilder to increase LBM as well as strength and muscle
hardness. Diet: A moderate carb, high protein, moderate fat diet work well.

[timtim]

here you go. it was done on rats but the dosage is nearly the same as human consumption.

Low Dose Clen Induces Cardiac Apoptosis (cell death of heart cells)
Originaly posted by nandi on CM board.

It's been known for some time that Clenbuterol at high doses causes cardiac necrosis. This study in animals shows that doses of 1 mcg/kg BW induce apoptosis (programmed cell death) in heart tissue. Humans not uncommonly ingest this much Clen. For instance, in a 220 lb (100 kg) bodybuilder this translates to 100 mcg. The CEM store sells Clen at a concentration of 200 mcg/ml! Other UG labs sell it at similar concentrations, ranging from 100 to 200 mcg per ml.


J Appl Physiol. 2004 Dec 10; [Epub ahead of print] Related Articles, Links

{beta}2-Adrenergic receptor stimulation in vivo induces apoptosis in the rat heart and soleus muscle.

Burniston JG, Tan LB, Goldspink DF.

Research Institute for Sports and Exercise Sciences, Liverpool John Moores University, Liverpool, United Kingdom.

High doses of the beta2-adrenergic receptor (AR) agonist, Clenbuterol, can induce necrotic myocyte death in the heart and slow-twitch skeletal muscle of the rat. However, it is not known if this agent can also induce myocyte apoptosis and whether this would occur at a lower dose than previously reported for myocyte necrosis. Male Wistar rats were given single subcutaneous injections of Clenbuterol. Immunohistochemistry was used to detect myocyte specific apoptosis (detected on cryosections using a caspase 3 antibody and confirmed using annexin V, single-strand DNA labelling and TUNEL). Myocyte apoptosis was first detected at 2 h, and peaked 4 h after Clenbuterol administration. The lowest dose of Clenbuterol to induce cardiomyocyte apoptosis was 1 microg kg(-1), with peak apoptosis (0.35 +/- 0.005 %; P<0.05) occurring in response to 5 mg kg(-1) . In the soleus, peak apoptosis (5.8 +/- 2 %; P<0.05) was induced by the lower dose of 10 microg kg(-1). Cardiomyocyte apoptosis occurred throughout the ventricles, atria and papillary muscles. However, this damage was most abundant in the left ventricular subendocardium at a point 1.6 mm, that is, approximately one-quarter of the way from the apex towards the base. beta-AR antagonism (involving propranolol, bisoprolol or ICI 118,551) or reserpine was used to show that clenbuterol-induced myocardial apoptosis was mediated through neuromodulation of the sympathetic system and the cardiomyocyte beta1-AR, whereas in the soleus direct stimulation of the myocyte beta2-AR was involved. These data show that when administered in vivo, beta2-AR stimulation by Clenbuterol is detrimental to cardiac and skeletal muscles even at low doses, by inducing apoptosis through beta1- and beta2-AR, respectively.

[buckeyefootball4]

guess im gonna die soon.

[timtim]

hope not. thats why i stopped that shit. negatives outweighed the positives. last time i did it my resting heart rate was 130 beats per minute in the am when i woke.

[Surfstud18]

I was just thinking about ordering http://ctdresearch.net/liquiclen_eca_combo_large.html that junk it comes with a eca stack too

[buckeyefootball4]

I was just thinking about ordering http://ctdresearch.net/liquiclen_eca_combo_large.html that junk it comes with a eca stack too

not bad deal

[skribbble]

i was addicted to clen earlier this year and went through 3 bottls of the shit hahahaha. took it every 2 weeks! haha yeah i know its horrible but just didnt care at the moment...


as far as strength gains go i felt strong on clen. I went up decently from diet and clen while losing bodyfat. im botu to run some as soon as spring ball is over w/ phera plex!

[buckeyefootball4]

i was addicted to clen earlier this year and went through 3 bottls of the shit hahahaha. took it every 2 weeks! haha yeah i know its horrible but just didnt care at the moment...




as far as strength gains go i felt strong on clen. I went up decently from diet and clen while losing bodyfat. im botu to run some as soon as spring ball is over w/ phera plex!

i agree bro i felt strong too on the clen.

[gaa9679572]

i was addicted to clen earlier this year and went through 3 bottls of the shit hahahaha. took it every 2 weeks! haha yeah i know its horrible but just didnt care at the moment...


as far as strength gains go i felt strong on clen. I went up decently from diet and clen while losing bodyfat. im botu to run some as soon as spring ball is over w/ phera plex!

Let us know how the pheraphlex goes!!

[buckeyefootball4]

i was addicted to clen earlier this year and went through 3 bottls of the shit hahahaha. took it every 2 weeks! haha yeah i know its horrible but just didnt care at the moment...


as far as strength gains go i felt strong on clen. I went up decently from diet and clen while losing bodyfat. im botu to run some as soon as spring ball is over w/ phera plex!

have u taken SUPERDROL i heard they are r a waste

[buckeyefootball4]

Let us know how the pheraphlex goes!!

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i thought they discount that stuff

[skribbble]

anyone know detection time on PP ??

[buckeyefootball4]

anyone know detection time on PP ??

no i dont, have you ever tried any other products by them?