Floyd Landis made his own Altitude chamber

[Too-$mall]

just curious. Anyone ever make a DIY one too?

i could see making this into a project. I'd need the extra red blood cells to run faster for longer periods of time. it will help me during tests of fitness.

could i want to avoid it though? Test does increase RBC all on it's own.

[Beetlegeuse]

That was a smokescreen. He told that story in his book, "Positively False" (which I happen to have an autographed copy of), which he was peddling (not to be confused with pedaling) while he still was protesting his innocence and trying to raise money for his legal defense fund. He had no need for whatever benefits that hypobaric sleeping chamber might have provided because once he went on EPO, it gave him all the red blood cells the law allowed (and more).

WADA's hematocrit limit is 50. Any higher than that is considered a secondary indicator of blood vector doping. There are a few people who have a natural Hct of >50 (there even have been a couple in the 60s) but they have to be tested to prove it's "natural" before they're allowed to compete in any WADA-sanctioned sport. But FLandis isn't one of them. Regardless, EPO can easily raise your Hct to >50, so whatever marginal gains you make from sleeping in a low oxygen environment are irrelevant because EPO will already give you all the Hct you can get away with.

[Obs]

Hell no, car di o.

[Too-$mall]

lol, Obs

got it. don't large amounts of test already increase RBC and HCT? Y use EPO by itself?

Can EPO be dangerous if used with test?

thanks Beetle. love that movie!

[Obs]

lol, Obs

got it. don't large amounts of test already increase RBC and HCT? Y use EPO by itself?

Can EPO be dangerous if used with test?

thanks Beetle. love that movie!

I can't imagine needing any help with aas. It should raise it plenty if you are cycling on and off. Running epo with aas could easily be dangerous. You would have to monitor your rbc closely.

Imo all the hype about more rbc=more oxygen is for guys running long ass trips like marathons etc.
I dont see any added benefit for a builder and potentially unnecessary risks for the negligible benefit. High rbc is very hard on you

[Too-$mall]

i need the stamina to run 3 miles as close to 18 or so minutes as possible. its part of our grading/performance systems for promotions. you're right though. don't need it. i was just curious.

[Obs]

i need the stamina to run 3 miles as close to 18 or so minutes as possible. its part of our grading/performance systems for promotions.

Winny?

[Too-$mall]

i dont hear good things about it, but I've never fully read up on it. how's it work?

[GearHeaded]

i need the stamina to run 3 miles as close to 18 or so minutes as possible. its part of our grading/performance systems for promotions. you're right though. don't need it. i was just curious.

if you have to run 18 minute 5ks , then your never going to get big. totally counter productive. 18 minute run for 3 miles is a high level 130 pounds runners relm . not the relm of a dude thats wants to be 225 with 19" arms

[Obs]

i dont hear good things about it, but I've never fully read up on it. how's it work?

Added strength and endurance + sore joints.
Personally would run glucosamine with it. Deca too but thats a given for me.

Makes your joints feel somewhat "dry".
Didnt bug me that much but I didnt run it long.

[Too-$mall]

well 18 min is perfect. I've never been able to pull it off. sadly. oh well. fastest i can do is probably 23 minutes. i think that was my last run time. i was 200lb i think then. little fatter. i still got a job i need to do well.

being too slow is a career ender. thanks though gear head. you got me thinking bout what i want and how i'm going to get it without sacrificing my career. my fitness may not be tri athlete, but that doesn't matter if i'm a great leader and a genius in my field. that's easier said than done though and a whole other topic that's not for this place.

too much invested at this point. what to do what to do. this is something i should mention in my journal. Deca is awesome. i like me some tren tho boy. kinda sucks for my ding ding, but that's what the cialis is for. viagra too.

i've slowly slowly increasing my sexy level. maybe that's meant to be. don't know. still want to gain. gotta keep them wheels though!

[Ashop]

just curious. Anyone ever make a DIY one too?

i could see making this into a project. I'd need the extra red blood cells to run faster for longer periods of time. it will help me during tests of fitness.

could i want to avoid it though? Test does increase RBC all on it's own.

Floyd was using more than just a altitude chamber,,just like Lance Armstrong and MANY others who compete in the tour de france.
Like Beetlegeuse said,,that was all just a smokescreen used as a cover.

[Too-$mall]

yea i don't know why the American powers that be are so obsessed with this lie. it is what it is. gene doping looks interesting and dangerous.

don't know much about gene doping, but i hear it's becoming a thing.

[Too-$mall]

sorry guys. didn't mean to get so negative.

[Beetlegeuse]

Cyclists do use Test, but only in low doses and for primarily the recovery effect. In his book "The Secret Race," Tyler Hamilton mentions being given a small red gel-cap of Test (which he called the "red egg") when he needed a little extra something for fatigue. I've asked around and no one seems to every have heard of a low dose Test administered in a red gel-cap. It's possible it was something other than Test and his trainer was lying to him, but I can't imagine why he wouldn't be forthright about it since most of the riders already were taking every PED imaginable, especially under Pharmstrong's "minimal gains" philosophy.

Pro roadracing is so weight-critical, it's better to lose weight than to gain strength, so they don't want the muscle mass that substantial doses of an AAS would bring. Or the water weight retention. Greg Lemond spent the off-season after either his second or third TdF win (1989 & '90) doing cross-country skiing (back when people still were drinking the cross-training kool-aid). So he shows up on the start line for the TdF with bulging biceps. And the other cyclists mocked him for it. "Somebody needs to tell the champ that this is a roadrace, not a body building contest." The guys who are the mountain climbing specialists I call "the pipe cleaner men" because they look like they just were liberated from Auschwitz.


Michael "Chicken" Rasmussen, pipe cleaner man

Think about the guys you see in professional MMA. Most of them aren't "Hulked-up" and some of them don't even look athletically-built. Muscles consume oxygen. The bigger they are, the more they consume. So if you have any more muscle mass than absolutely necessary for the job you're asking of them, endurance will suffer because the bigger muscles put more load on the CV system versus smaller muscles doing the same task. The guys you see on the start line at a 100-meter dash look a different species from the ones running the 1500 meters.

Speaking of FLandis, he was stripped of his victory in the 2006 TdF for allegedly using Testosterone . Today Floyd freely admits he was doped to the gills but says he wasn't doing Test. Says it made him feel stiff on the bike and ended up being counterproductive. That's why he made such as ass of himself and spent two years (and >$2 million on legal fees) claiming he was innocent. Not because he wanted to get off on the doping but because he didn't want the doping authorities to get away with convicting him with a false positive.

We know the cyclists are still getting away with the EPO, it's just that nobody who knows is telling how they're doing it. I heard an interview done last month with FLandis in which he mentioned that peptides are the hot new PED in cycling because they're infinitely configurable, so all you have to do is tweak it so it looks like something other than the PEDs authorities are testing for. But the pro cyclists have been at the bleeding edge of doping technology ever since about 1990 (which was why Greg Lemond got put on the trailer at the same time as Miguel Indurain began his streak of five straight TdF wins) so I would be shocked to learn there isn't already someone in cycling doing gene doping.

[Far from massive]

As an ex road cyclist (albeit way back in the stone ages). I think what a lot of people fail to realize about recent doping in professional road racers, is that much of it is not aimed at increasing baseline performance. Rather its aimed at decreasing diminished performance that is seen in stage racing as one gets past the first few days/week and into the "deep water" of stage racing. While its a piece of cake to quantify unnaturally high levels of natural compounds within the body, its a lot tougher job to detect manipulation/maintenance of levels during a stage race.....this is why the presence of trace elements of containers is used as a test/fail on injectable compounds like EPO.
As beetle says, its an ever changing game. IMHO the trick is to stay one step ahead where you can and always be consistent in your maintenance (Armstrong) and not just use it when you are in crisis (as Landis did in the tour) as at that point it will stand out and guarantee maximum scrutiny.

[ScotchGuard02]

just curious. Anyone ever make a DIY one too?

i could see making this into a project. I'd need the extra red blood cells to run faster for longer periods of time. it will help me during tests of fitness.

could i want to avoid it though? Test does increase RBC all on it's own.

I would much prefer a hyberbaric chamber over an altitude chamber. They do different things of course. The hyperbaric chamber pressurize the environment to 2 atmosphere with oxygen. Why a hyperbaric chamber? It is one of the first treatment for brain injury. Most of us have soft brain injury (concussion, head jolt, car accident, slipping on ice, etc etc etc) and we don't even know it. The pressurized oxygen increase the movement of oxygen through the brain/oxygen barrier. Women who spent an hour in the hyperbaric chamber for a week prior to plastic surgery healed 90% faster than women who didn't. Body builders who tear down muscle can recover faster and more completely with the hyperbaric treatment. You will get better skin because the dermal repair is enhanced. You will increase the size of your penis as it will be filled with oxygen. NOT! LOL The chamber increase oxygen uptake in your body. I'm actually looking at controlling the oxygen/pressure level in a chamber (home made) with a Raspberry Pi 3. Fun project.

[RoxRunner]

As someone said Floyd's chamber was BS. It was made from wood and used a fan to slightly lower the inside pressure. I saw a documentary where he showed it off and it looked like a junior high science project. I doubt it did anything at all. There are a couple of companies that build real chambers. One of them uses a filter method to filter out o2 and you can basically dial in an altitude based on the # of filters you use compared against your actual elevation. I'm at 5600 ft. so I could have build one to 27K ft. Some of them today filter out o2 by % so it's relative specific to an altitude regardless of your current elevation.

18:00 5K, that's a sub 6. I'd say you could train into a 20-21 min 5k but anything faster than that and you're going to have to sacrifice mass and strength. Not sure you'll want to go there.

[Too-$mall]

interesting world cycling

[Beetlegeuse]

interesting world cycling

Wait ... ... you edited that, didn't you? I seem to recall the adjective you'd originally used was something less 'complimentary' than "interesting."

Not that I was offended. You can't be part of the cycling community very long and not realize that most people think you're all freaks.

There's a great line in the film "Jaws" when somebody is questioning Chief Brody (Roy Scheider) why he would choose to live on an island when he doesn't like being on the water. Brody answers, "It's only an island if you look at it from the water."

The cycling culture is like that. If you're part of it, it makes perfect sense. It only looks weird if you're outside looking in.

Like the clothing. Which most people think is about making a fashion statement. It isn't. But it looks the way it does -- including the skin-tight shorts -- because form follows function.

Except the helmets and, to a lesser extent, cycling eyewear. But there definitely is some flamboyance in cycling helmets.




About 1990 they started growing a little "junk in the trunk." Manufacturers claimed it made them more "aero" but it probably was just to make the older helmets look ...old. And by 2000 they looked like a prop stolen from one of the "Predator" movies. Three or four years ago they started losing the tail and assuming a more conservative shape, which makes the Predator helmets recognizable as "old."


Oh, and backing up a little, I came across a video of the rebroadcast of the Tyler Hamilton interview on 60 Minutes they ran before Pharmstrong had his "Come to Oprah" meeting. Hamilton says in the interview that "the red egg" was Andriol .

[Too-$mall]

no, i don't remember editing that remark. the cycling world is interesting and i have a feeling there are cyclers here. it's not stranger than BB though. juicing and everything that comes with that would definitely blow some minds and scare some folks.