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    Been self medicating for two years, *Blood Work, please help*

    This is the first time I've gotten labs done and I'm quite worried. Here are the numbers. Please note I ordered the wrong E2 test...not sensitive assay. CBC With Differential/Platelet
    WBC 8.4 3.4-10.8 x10E3/uL RN
    RBC 6.25 HIGH 4.14-5.80 x10E6/uL RN
    Hemoglobin 19.6 HIGH 12.6-17.7 g/dL RN
    Hematocrit 57.7 HIGH 37.5-51.0 % RN
    MCV 92 79-97 fL RN
    MCH 31.4 26.6-33.0 pg RN
    MCHC 34.0 31.5-35.7 g/dL RN
    RDW 13.5 12.3-15.4 % RN
    Platelets 172 155-379 x10E3/uL RN
    Neutrophils 69 40-74 % RN
    Lymphs 19 14-46 % RN
    Monocytes 10 4-12 % RN
    Eos 1 0-5 % RN
    Basos 1 0-3 % RN
    Neutrophils (Absolute) 5.8 1.4-7.0 x10E3/uL RN
    Lymphs (Absolute) 1.6 0.7-3.1 x10E3/uL RN
    Monocytes(Absolute) 0.8 0.1-0.9 x10E3/uL RN
    Eos (Absolute) 0.1 0.0-0.4 x10E3/uL RN
    Baso (Absolute) 0.1 0.0-0.2 x10E3/uL RN
    Immature Granulocytes 0 0-2 % RN
    Immature Grans (Abs) 0.0 0.0-0.1 x10E3/uL RN
    Comp. Metabolic Panel (14)
    Glucose, Serum 94 65-99 mg/dL RN
    BUN 13 6-20 mg/dL RN
    Creatinine, Serum 1.23 0.76-1.27 mg/dL RN
    eGFR If NonAfricn Am 81 >59 mL/min/1.73 RN
    eGFR If Africn Am 94 >59 mL/min/1.73 RN
    BUN/Creatinine Ratio 11 8-19 RN
    Sodium, Serum 137 134-144 mmol/L RN
    Potassium, Serum 4.0 3.5-5.2 mmol/L RN
    Chloride, Serum 99 97-108 mmol/L RN
    Carbon Dioxide, Total 20 19-28 mmol/L RN
    Calcium, Serum 9.4 8.7-10.2 mg/dL RN
    Protein, Total, Serum 7.3 6.0-8.5 g/dL RN
    Albumin, Serum 4.6 3.5-5.5 g/dL RN
    Globulin, Total 2.7 1.5-4.5 g/dL RN
    A/G Ratio 1.7 1.1-2.5 RN
    Bilirubin, Total 0.6 0.0-1.2 mg/dL RN
    Alkaline Phosphatase, S 69 44-102 IU/L RN
    AST (SGOT) 30 0-40 IU/L RN
    ALT (SGPT) 48 HIGH 0-44 IU/L RN
    Lipid Panel
    Cholesterol, Total 192 100-199 mg/dL RN
    Triglycerides 110 0-149 mg/dL RN
    HDL Cholesterol 43 >39 mg/dL RN
    According to ATP-III Guidelines, HDL-C >59 mg/dL is considered a
    negative risk factor for CHD.
    VLDL Cholesterol Cal 22 5-40 mg/dL RN
    LDL Cholesterol Calc 127 HIGH 0-99 mg/dL RN
    Thyroid Panel With TSH
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    TSH 2.590 0.450-4.500 uIU/mL RN
    Thyroxine (T4) 5.7 4.5-12.0 ug/dL RN
    T3 Uptake 35 24-39 % RN
    Free Thyroxine Index 2.0 1.2-4.9 RN
    Testosterone , Free+Total LC/MS
    Testosterone, Total, LC/MS 1157.1 348.0-1197.0 ng/dL BN
    Free Testosterone(Direct) 48.8 HIGH 9.3-26.5 pg/mL RN
    Estradiol
    Estradiol 59.0 HIGH 7.6-42.6 pg/mL RN
    Roche ECLIA methodology
    IGF-1
    Insulin -Like Growth Factor I 306 83-344 ng/mL BN

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    so I understand that I need to get rid of some blood. I'm willing to call my DR and have this awkward talk with him or his nurse, but in the end, will he be able to prescribe "blood letting" to me if I live in a different state than where he (and my family and my main medical coverage) is? I'm okay with paying for it, but will he even be able to do this? Do I just walk into a random DR office and show them my prescription and then they'll draw blood and take my cash?

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    Go to your local blood bank & make a whole blood donation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EverettCD View Post
    Go to your local blood bank & make a whole blood donation.
    ^^^ No, they will reject him due to high hemoglobin, its best to get a script from a doctor and do blood letting. most blood drive companies do it but choose one other than red cross because they'll mark you in the black list and you can never donate there. red cross is nationwide and you want to have clean record with them so you can donate blood with them on a regular basis.

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    But, that means a trip to the dr. in order to ask for a script and to answer questions that you don't want to answer. Good luck. Don't just keep going. Something's gotta give. If you get this straightened out, time to slow down and sort things out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rusty11 View Post
    But, that means a trip to the dr. in order to ask for a script and to answer questions that you don't want to answer. Good luck. Don't just keep going. Something's gotta give. If you get this straightened out, time to slow down and sort things out.
    That's absolutely right.. I already called the Dr and faxed them the results. His nurse called back and said yeah.. He wants to see you as soon as you're home (early November). So I have to wait until November and I also have to spill all the beans. This concerns me, but I've been doing a huge cruise for two years and probably need some help. I also am signing up for Obama care so they cannot use pre existing conditions against me so I should be ok. If anyone disagrees with this aspect, please speak up.

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    Just drain some of your blood, theres videos on how to do it . Also although your estrogen says it's high, its probably at a good range on the sensitive panel. How do you feel on your protocol, and what is it? Dosage, hcg , ai?

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    [QUOTE="jomamma007;6698463"]Just drain some of your blood, theres videos on how to do it . Also although your estrogen says it's high, its probably at a good range on the sensitive panel. How do you feel on your protocol, and what is it? Dosage, hcg , ai?

    Hey jo! Nah, no ai or hcg. I have plans to order hcg in a few months which is the soonest I can. So it's kind of a mess. And yeah I feel lots of fatigue but that's normal. Life is just stressful.

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    And these levels are from when I was cruising on about 200mg per week test e IM. I just switched to 50mg 2x/week sub q, so e2 should plain out. But who knows what the doc will say when I tell him all this
    Last edited by Charlie6; 10-09-2013 at 09:33 PM.

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    I had an almost identical situation. I agree with Bass about Red Cross as they have a new nationwide database. BUt there is NO sharing of information between non affiliated blood banks. I've done research and gone to three different ones and even asked.

    I donated 3x and each time brought the HCT level down about 3% and felt better each time.

    My Hemoglobin was a little less and maybe that's how I squeaked by.

    The blood test results you posted, what was your protocol when the blood was taken?

    My theory is that since red blood cells live 120 days that if you reduced the amount of Test you are taking, over time it would sort out. I do not know if this is true but I did see my levels continue to come down quite a bit, even after the 3rd donation. I attribute this to my lower dosage.

    I was pretty nervous and i found a great urologist and he didn't give me a hard time at all and told me that I did exactly the right thing. He prescribed Test without a second thought. Of course this can depend on your age but I am older and it wasn't an issue at all.

    Don't worry too much, as it's not like the first time they've heard this and being direct and honest shows you are taking it seriously and you want to go forward the right way now.

    Good luck!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie6 View Post
    And these levels are from when I was cruising on about 200mg per week test e IM. I just switched to 50mg 2x/week sub q, so e2 should plain out. But who knows what the doc will say when I tell him all this
    OK, just read this..again..I was at the same dosage and the same results! I was freaking out as I was feeling like pure crap and got incredibly bad doctor advise..long story but I got it all sorted out..There's no pre existing condition..

    I know others might not agree but I would take a chance and find a local hospital and search around for smaller blood banks..around here they were like vampires and all were very happy to take my blood.

    Drink lots of water and have a decent meal and give it a shot..pardon the expression.

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    You will need multiple phlebotomies to get the hematocrit to 45 from 57. It took three over the course of two weeks for met to go from 54 to 45. Don't let anyone tell you just get it's to 50 and your fine. I have researched this heavily and 45 is the safe number for a male. The blood thickens exponentially above this. Once you get it under control, make normal, free 8 week blood donations at the Red Cross..

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    57 is a dangerous level, as I'm sure your aware.

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