Testosterone and Libido

**SEOINAGE** · 03-28-2013, 11:25 AM

Ok so I'm just coming off my blast, 600 mg for the majority of it, couple weeks of 800 mg. TRT dose is 200 mg a week.

Now I have no clue what my test levels were like during this. But I'm comparing my libido from 6 or 7 years ago and 12 years ago to prior to trt to on trt to 600 mg to 800 mg.

On 200 mg my test levels are just over 800, two days after the twice weekly injection. Libido was decent, slight improvement over no trt, but not what I wanted.

12 years ago, my libido was raging, it was unreal, at one point it really felt like I was at some kind of testosterone peak because it diminished a while later but still was really strong for many more years.

So everyone talks about how crazy their libido is while on cycle. I never felt that. At 600 mg I felt like my libido was decent, but not much above my trt dose and not that strong overall, erection quality was better and lasted longer, something I expected from trt dose but did not fully get.

but it wasn't till after i bumped my test up to 800 mg that I felt like my test levels were even close to feeling like my early 20's, and even then it was a fraction of the libido I had back then. There's got to be a lot more going on when it comes to libido and testosterone. I mean seriously have to pin 2000 mg to feel like I'm 20 again? I can live with how I feel on 200 mg, I'm happy, and life goes well. I would prefer to feel like I did on 800 mg for libido and sex, but overall I felt a little bit worse. It's hard to judge since from when I started 600 mg I got a bad sinus infection and felt horrible, which lasted a good 8 weeks before it got so bad I couldn't breathe and took antibiotics, so a lot of how I was feeling during the high test time was from that problem.

Anyways, the temptation to blast and cruise non stop is really high for me.

I'd like to know further what is going on, but I don't think there are any doctors that can just get to the bottom of this.

One thing I would like more info on is Renal artery function, and it's impact on the body, since it's possible I could carry a gene that causes fibromuscular dysplasia and that could effect renal and carotid arteries. If renal arteries are damaged in a person I would like to know the effect on the body. For me that feels like that could be something to look into, although I don't want to just go out and have an angiogram if not having more serious issues.

**Trific** · 03-28-2013, 11:38 AM

Maybe you just need more DHT?

**Tron3219** · 03-28-2013, 11:40 AM

Trt at 200mg seems a little high to me. I'm not expert by any means. R u running an ai during ur trt? E2 levels?

-TroN-

**junk2222yard** · 03-28-2013, 12:19 PM

I am no expert, but I think you are oversimplifying it believing "the higher my test = the higher my libido". For instance, when you were a walking hardon in your 20s, I am sure your Test levels were not 3x the physiologic levels (like I imagine 800mg/wk might do).

There are so many things that come into play regarding libido. One big one that comes to mind is E2, which must have skyrocketed when you boosted the test. But there are so many more things, including phychological as well as physical.

**SEOINAGE** · 03-28-2013, 12:35 PM

DHT levels were mid range on 200 mg of test. Doctor was happy with them. Doctor was also happy with e2 levels without an ai on 200 mg of test, although i tried an ai with them and it brought them down slightly, overall I don't think it is needed. I did take an ai when I bumped up my test.

And yes Junk, that is what I am trying to get at, is what else is going on. Am I dealing with psychological issues that are keeping me down, or are their hidden physical problems that need to be searched out and addressed. It just doesn't make much sense to me. Sex life has been really good lately, but it has taken lots of work to get there. I'd like to better understand it all.

**steroid.com 1** · 03-28-2013, 12:52 PM

Elevated testosterone levels doesn't not equate to higher libido.

Libido is way more complex than just that.

Consider the complexity and interactions between the sympathetic and parasympathetic pathways to understand.

DHT is a critical hormone but so are many others like E2 and prolactin and not discounting the emotional components.

**Trific** · 03-28-2013, 12:57 PM

Maybe you should copy what G takes in this thread...cialis, ect. and see if you respond how you'd like:

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...ialis-2x-a-day

**dreadnok89** · 03-28-2013, 01:18 PM

I had a 10x better libido while having low test than having 600. I really believe there is no substitute for your own balls working. Even on hcg .if i miss my gell for 3 days i get real horned and function alot better

**Bonaparte** · 03-28-2013, 01:46 PM

Originally Posted by junk2222yard

I am no expert, but I think you are oversimplifying it believing "the higher my test = the higher my libido". For instance, when you were a walking hardon in your 20s, I am sure your Test levels were not 3x the physiologic levels (like I imagine 800mg/wk might do).

There are so many things that come into play regarding libido. One big one that comes to mind is E2, which must have skyrocketed when you boosted the test. But there are so many more things, including phychological as well as physical.

That would be more like 5-8 times...

**Trific** · 03-28-2013, 02:02 PM

Originally Posted by dreadnok89

I had a 10x better libido while having low test than having 600. I really believe there is no substitute for your own balls working. Even on hcg.if i miss my gell for 3 days i get real horned and function alot better

Think you have a problem with the gel converting too easily to E2 and it's killing your libido and giving you other symptoms....think you need to switch to pins. Now 2Sox has a stronger libido on gels than pins.....why don't you two switch supplies?

**Rusty11** · 03-28-2013, 07:51 PM

My t level was at a bit over 1400. Libido was not very good. I lowered my t dose. My level was a bit over 800. I added hCH. Libido improved considerably. Btw, I'm 51. Your mileage may vary. Added a daily dose of cialis and 20's all over again.

But, I realize you are looking for the root of the issue and don't want to mask it with something like cialis. Good luck.

**SEOINAGE** · 04-01-2013, 02:01 PM

Originally Posted by Rusty11

My t level was at a bit over 1400. Libido was not very good. I lowered my t dose. My level was a bit over 800. I added hCH. Libido improved considerably. Btw, I'm 51. Your mileage may vary. Added a daily dose of cialis and 20's all over again.

But, I reali*e you are looking for the root of the issue and don't want to mask it with something like cialis. Good luck.

Lol that's comforting. But I definitely noticed a difference with adding HCG . I'll bring things up next visit and when I do my blood work. See what they have to say. But I don't really want to bring up I went on 800 mg a week, so I don't know how to talk about my experiences.

**largerthannormal** · 04-01-2013, 02:33 PM

What were your E2 levels that your doc was happy with? Im not a pro either, how often do they perform blood work? Can you seek a copy of it?

**Rusty11** · 04-01-2013, 02:49 PM

Regarding bw, when first starting out on trt, it is usually around the 6 week mark. After you get dialed in, around 4 months(that's what my docis doing). Of course, you can always go to labcorp to get your own done. As far as results go, they must give you a copy if you ask. Some docs guard it like it involves national security. I just go to a hospital, fill out a short form, and results are mailed to me. Then, 3 weeks later my doc calls to go over bw. All he says is, "looks good". Lame!

**SEOINAGE** · 04-03-2013, 04:18 PM

42 without ai. then 36 if I remember right with the ai, maybe slightly lower, but remember it being mid 30s, and that was with 1 mg a week.

**Ljb257** · 01-21-2014, 06:48 PM

Well, I'm 52 and reduced my T Cyp from the avg of 300 per wk to two 100 mg injection per week. That with .25 mg eod of dex and my libido has hit the roof. I'm so damn stiff I'm having to do handstands just to take a piss. LOL

**2Sox** · 01-21-2014, 07:31 PM

Originally Posted by Ljb257

Well, I'm 52 and reduced my T Cyp from the avg of 300 per wk to two 100 mg injection per week. That with .25 mg eod of dex and my libido has hit the roof. I'm so damn stiff I'm having to do handstands just to take a piss. LOL

Ljb,

Nice that you're feeling so good but unless this is out of a legitimate medical necessity, IMO, you're still injecting too much T. I recall that this was discussed on another thread you began. I also remember that the downsides for you were discussed as well. I hope you return to that thread to discuss this - but not here. Don't want to hijack.

**Ryanmcd** · 01-21-2014, 08:08 PM

I feel best @ around 800 test lvl and mid 20's with E2, @ 1200 I felt like shit, just play around and do bloodwork when you feel good or bad so you know what to shoot for, now I have about 14 sets of bloodwork so I tell that doc what it will be because I know how I feel and I can guess it +-100 lolrof.

Also I would not just say more is better because that's not the case, I know lots of people who run grams a week and it's the same old shit over and over, they look the best they ever did but they cant fuk if they had too lol!

**sfgiantsfan55** · 01-22-2014, 12:28 PM

Originally Posted by Ljb257

Well, I'm 52 and reduced my T Cyp from the avg of 300 per wk to two 100 mg injection per week. That with .25 mg eod of dex and my libido has hit the roof. I'm so damn stiff I'm having to do handstands just to take a piss. LOL

congrats on your never ending boner amigo

my libido has always been off the charts nuts.... but admittedly, while the brain is working just fine, the other head wasnt... test cyp did nothing to improve this , neither did hcg ... for me , clomid makes my best buddy harder than chinese arithmetic (a good red neck phrase , sorry was raised in ARK)...and yes cia is a fantastic bonus when its sporttrucking time....

just adding this bc when i started trt, all i heard was test makes u hornier (not me, least not at my WNL amounts)..hcg makes u horny (and ur balls bigger)..nope..didnt do that for me... but, Clomid works like hell for me. try things out first hand, go from there... what works for me might not work for u and vice versa.

**BigPimpin76** · 01-22-2014, 02:29 PM

Originally Posted by sfgiantsfan55

congrats on your never ending boner amigo my libido has always been off the charts nuts.... but admittedly, while the brain is working just fine, the other head wasnt... test cyp did nothing to improve this , neither did hcg... for me , clomid makes my best buddy harder than chinese arithmetic (a good red neck phrase , sorry was raised in ARK)...and yes cia is a fantastic bonus when its sporttrucking time.... just adding this bc when i started trt, all i heard was test makes u hornier (not me, least not at my WNL amounts)..hcg makes u horny (and ur balls bigger)..nope..didnt do that for me... but, Clomid works like hell for me. try things out first hand, go from there... what works for me might not work for u and vice versa.

Dont mean to hijack... But, what were yor doses on Clomid?
And did you take HCG and Ai whilst on Clomid?

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**sfgiantsfan55** · 01-23-2014, 10:41 AM

Originally Posted by BigPimpin76

Dont mean to hijack... But, what were yor doses on Clomid?
And did you take HCG and Ai whilst on Clomid?

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np..again, these are just my personal observations, im not a guru in the least, just a guy trying to make it all work for me .

im on a very low dose of clomid... 25 mg mon wed fri... and test cyp 200 every 10 days

i never took hcg while also on clomid...never taken an ai as my estrogen levels are always very good as is my shbg levels.