FDA and Testosterone Therapy

**Beethoven** · 03-04-2015, 06:33 PM

After hearing it on the news, I thought I would share this with you.
Testosterone Products: Drug Safety Communication - FDA Cautions About Using Testosterone Products for Low Testosterone Due to Aging; Requires Labeling Change to Inform of Possible Increased Risk of Heart Attack And Stroke

**zempey** · 03-04-2015, 06:47 PM

Anything to scare the sheep to keep them weak and sick, fuking rediculous. It's funny they aren't labeling high fructose corn syrup drinks, or fast food burger joints, but make sure to make them think the test will kill them.

**Beethoven** · 03-04-2015, 08:26 PM

I'm just wondering which lobby is pushing this. They are basically saying get old and stfu. TRT is only good if you have a legit trauma or disease, well what about when you get old, discontinue therapy because now it doesn't work because you're old? The hypocrisy is blatant.

**kelkel** · 03-04-2015, 09:00 PM

When more lawmakers initiate TRT maybe things will change.....

**Beethoven** · 03-04-2015, 11:01 PM

Originally Posted by kelkel

When more lawmakers initiate TRT maybe things will change.....

I hope that is the case. Often times ours is the do as we say not as we do government .

**Beethoven** · 03-04-2015, 11:01 PM

Originally Posted by kelkel

When more lawmakers initiate TRT maybe things will change.....

I hope that is the case. Often times ours is the do as we say not as we do government .

**Simon1972** · 03-05-2015, 01:21 AM

Originally Posted by Beethoven

I'm just wondering which lobby is pushing this. They are basically saying get old and stfu. TRT is only good if you have a legit trauma or disease, well what about when you get old, discontinue therapy because now it doesn't work because you're old? The hypocrisy is blatant.

pharma companies are lobbying for this,,, there is no, i repeat, NO PATENT ON TESTOSTERONE . so not alot of money to be made, especially when any chinese/indian pharma company can produce a version in direct competition with US Pharma.

AND........US Pharma, can sell alot more of their PATENTED ancillary drugs to treat illnesses that would be fully treatable /cured by using therapeutic testosterone from such indian/chinese companies for circa $40-$50 a month. (diabetes anyone???)

the earlier we remind ourselves US PHARMA is a company- whose sole purpose is $$$, you dont make $$$ from curing someone of their illnesses. if i was a dr, i would hate healthy patients. how would i afford a boat?

**thisAngelBites** · 03-05-2015, 02:03 AM

Originally Posted by Simon1972

pharma companies are lobbying for this,,, there is no, i repeat, NO PATENT ON TESTOSTERONE . so not alot of money to be made, especially when any chinese/indian pharma company can produce a version in direct competition with US Pharma.

But can't the different delivery mechanisms be patented, topicals like testogel, and transdermal patches, etc.? I would have thought that would be where the action is. Pharma companies are hurting as it costs so much now in R&D to successfully bring a drug to market now, I would think they would be looking for every source of income that they can.

**Simon1972** · 03-05-2015, 04:22 AM

testogel, transdermal patches and compounded creams-- difference is negligible but yes they will do anything different and patent it and then market the hell out of it to make a $. the base testosterone is always the same. once it in your system, it does the same thing all they can change is the delivery system, but then again- so many options and alot of them cheaper. so what to do??? lobby against it- make it harder to get , profit from statin drugs, diabetic medication, new cancer treatments and prepare for the associated aging illnesses that all need "new, patented medication"to treat the symptoms.

humbug, im just grumpy-and cynical

**Beethoven** · 03-05-2015, 04:49 AM

Just thinking out loud but doesn't trt hurt the Cialis and Viagra market some? Even though most of us here and on trt use the heck out of them. They still have a patent here in the U.S. (Although many of us get it from elsewhere). But the blatant hypocrisy of the statement that trt isn't useful for age related low t is right there for everyone to see when the reality is quite different. It goes to show that Government can be bought.

**thisAngelBites** · 03-06-2015, 12:15 PM

Originally Posted by Simon1972

testogel, transdermal patches and compounded creams-- difference is negligible but yes they will do anything different and patent it and then market the hell out of it to make a $. the base testosterone is always the same. once it in your system, it does the same thing all they can change is the delivery system, but then again- so many options and alot of them cheaper. so what to do??? lobby against it- make it harder to get , profit from statin drugs, diabetic medication, new cancer treatments and prepare for the associated aging illnesses that all need "new, patented medication"to treat the symptoms.

humbug, im just grumpy-and cynical

I completely get the cynicism, and I know the active is the same in all of these. What I was getting at is that with pharma hurting and R&D costs through the roof, and less and less new drugs approved every year, I would have thought they would LOVE to come up with 6 new delivery mechanisms of some iteration of test and then be able to push it at every male over 40.

I know they have tried for years to get a weaker test formula approved for women, and that has gone nowhere.

One my girlfriends is a molecular modeler for a pharmaceutical company - I am curious what she would think of this, so maybe I'll ask when I see her. Although she is a good person and would never support the idea of giving rubbish to people to make money. In fact, she won't take *anything* because she has seen too much working in that field!

**Beethoven** · 03-06-2015, 02:06 PM

You would think they would run to this anti aging stuff at least to sell the test. It may not be patented but it's better than sitting on the shelf. But for the fact that the FDA would blatantly put out a false statement means that it's big money behind it. Kind of reminds me of the seventies and eighties where they touted testosterone and the like drugs "don't enhance physical performance" when EVERYONE else KNEW different.

**Simon1972** · 03-07-2015, 03:26 PM

One big misconception is that big pharma is hurting. They may not be growing profits , but they definitely aren't loosing profits. I remember a pharma, at the end of a patent lodging a patent for the same drug based on the chemical reaction inside the human gut when the compound changed once it hit the stomach. This gave them another 20 year patent on the same old formula,preventing generics flooding the market, maintaining huge costs for the consumer.

They are a business, and businesses are in it to make $$,
Treat the symptoms, not find a cure.

Eg Ebola virus. Ebola hits USA, "new" Ebola drug gets released in less than 2 months. Ebola is controlled and eradicated from US. Drug removed from market.

**thisAngelBites** · 03-08-2015, 03:38 AM

Originally Posted by Simon1972

One big misconception is that big pharma is hurting. They may not be growing profits , but they definitely aren't loosing profits.

By "hurting" I didn't mean they are going broke, I meant their costs are getting astronomical, and astronomical costs have a tendency to affect profits.

And of course they are all businesses, and the more money they can make, the happier they are. I don't think anyone here would be naive enough to disagree with that. And testosterone treats the symptoms, and is not a cure, so that seems to be a model that is right up their alley.

I was saying it does not make any sense to me why pharma would want to be riding the "test is dangerous" bandwagon when it is potentially a big money maker with low costs to develop. They can provide a product for people who want to do TRT, and then they can provide the products that treat the side effects of low testosterone , and then it is win-win for them.

**lovbyts** · 03-08-2015, 04:35 AM

^^^^ what she said. If you/they were to compare apples to apples the FDA could not even touch test compared to most all RX drugs out there if you were to look at negative side effects.

**Beethoven** · 03-08-2015, 07:43 AM

This is all true, but there seems to be money behind this when the FDA starts acting this way. I can't see a political connection so I'm wondering who would stand to profit by possibly regulating trt or in some cases even eliminating it.

**zempey** · 03-08-2015, 08:12 AM

The FDA is run by the government, the government wants it's sheep sick and weak so they can control and manipulate them. Testosterone is not a good way to keep the general population sick and tired, this makes them strong and healthy, the exact opposite of the set goals. They want super soldiers not super civilians.

**Beethoven** · 03-08-2015, 10:13 AM

Originally Posted by zempey

The FDA is run by the government, the government wants it's sheep sick and weak so they can control and manipulate them. Testosterone is not a good way to keep the general population sick and tired, this makes them strong and healthy, the exact opposite of the set goals. They want super soldiers not super civilians.

I think it's about money, people aren't dying off in droves over trt, and they are letting other meds with far worse sides on the market. So far it's just a label with added verbal but in the future? Who knows. I know kel thinks once these politicians start needing trt they might change but I've always seen that government doesn't always live by the same laws forced on us.

**lovbyts** · 03-08-2015, 11:03 PM

Originally Posted by zempey

The FDA is run by the government, the government wants it's sheep sick and weak so they can control and manipulate them. Testosterone is not a good way to keep the general population sick and tired, this makes them strong and healthy, the exact opposite of the set goals. They want super soldiers not super civilians.

Originally Posted by Beethoven

I think it's about money, people aren't dying off in droves over trt, and they are letting other meds with far worse sides on the market. So far it's just a label with added verbal but in the future? Who knows. I know kel thinks once these politicians start needing trt they might change but I've always seen that government doesn't always live by the same laws forced on us.

I think you both are correct. Yes it's about money but it's also about controlling the heard. I'm not much of a conspiracy theorist but a lot of the long talked about conspiracies have come to pass but unfortunately the masses just accept it as the norm. I have been saying for years I think most of the reality TV and such are just a way to keep people pre occupied so they dont pay attention to what is going on around them. Have you ever seen any of Watters World videos? My point proven...

The government wants everyone in one (many) close knit communities/cities are possible. We are easier to control that way. Look at all the big ranchers they have put out of business the last 100 years. Making it harder and harder to buy a house with any land.

Next time you are up in an airplane take a look down and see how much land there is that is undeveloped and owned/controlled by the government. We populate less than 1% of the land in the US.