Getting bloodwork again soon

[--->>405<<---]

Hey fellas... Havent been in this forum in about 7weeks but wanted to let yall know im getting my bloodwork done either this week or the beginning of the next.. Waiting on paperwork.. The reason im posting a thread is cuz ive been on:

3mg adex per week
160mg test cyp per week (80mg every 3.5 days)
500iu hcg twice per week

I figured u guys would be interested to see how my bloodwork comes out with that high of a dose of adex.. At 1.5mg per week E2 was 39.. Hope yall are doing well and ill be posting results as soon as i get em..

Id like to note i feel great! No libido or erection probs or really any probs at all!

[zaggahamma]

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look ripped in new avy bro

[bullshark99]

Dude, you sure thats you?????? LOL AWESOME!

[bullshark99]

BTW, yes pls post, will be very interested to see what happened to E2 by doubling your dose?????

[J DIESEL3]

Lookin really lean dude nice work! For sure interested in seeing how your bw comes out.

[bass]

good to see you 405, and yea you look great in the avi! look forward to see your blood work.

[--->>405<<---]

thx fellas sorry i didnt post back sooner but i chekd it this am and no one had posted anything and there had been like 170 views or something so i figd yall were just waitin to see what the results were.. good to see yall too

[--->>405<<---]

just an update guys i have my lab requisition form so ill be getting blood drawn today and should have results monday or tuesday.. hope yall have a good weekend!

[--->>405<<---]

Got bloodwork back but i cant chek it cuz of the format so he has to send it again. However i did have a discussion with him about it..

E2 is @7.5

He said i coukd stop takn adex.. He said i shouldnt plan on being on it forever.. I askd him if he thought id stop converting test to E2 and he said yes.. Hmmm.. I didnt think thats the case? I feel great rite now and have considered reducing from 3mg to 1 or 1.5... What do yall think?

Scondly he said my kidney function and liver function was elevated.. I lookd online and found high protein diets can be hard on both the liver and kidneys.. Ive been getting minimum 60% of total cals from protein for 7months now.. The last 2 months ive been as high as 80% protein cals 4 days per week.. Has anyone elae had this experience?? With elevated liver and/or kidney function?

Look forward to hearing u guys thoughts? I will be following up with PCP on liver and kidneys.. Im also wondering if this doc is gonna be best for me over the long term.. The way hes handling E2 has me skeptical.. I cant or shouldnt drop it low and then stop adex where its gonna creep high and then start adex and drop it low for the rest of my life..

Doc told me "there were difft schools of thought on E2 and adex" but never really committed to wat his school of thought was..

[Viking13]

405, let me preface my response by first saying that I have not yet started my protocol.

However, on my bloodwork from jan. my liver and kidney function was slightly elevated and I assumed it was from the amount of protein I take in. My endo stated that it was his belief that the cause of this was due to dehydration, as I had fasted for 12 hours or so prior to my bloodwork. I has not had any water to drink. This time I made sure to have some fluids and my function returned to well within range.

[keep fightin]

hey 405, you are the test subject of the week! high adex, most would say crashed E, but feel great,possible high protein diet issues but lookin good! many will want to follow your progress with this, where is that sweet spot? seems to me with a Doc willing to script the adex and you pushing thru frequent BW along with how your feeling you will find that smooth ride.. good luck!

[kelkel]

Hi 405! You don't want to be that low long term for health reasons. Didn't we discuss this in your prior thread from a couple of months ago, where a few of us suggested cutting your adex way back? (if I recall correctly.) You may feel good now but eventually I'd bed you'll start feeling some sides from it. I'd immediately cut it way down or possibly go off for a month, retest E2, see where your at and then make an informed decision on dosage. Maybe have some nolva on hand just in case....

[zaggahamma]

agree with kel on this one

[bass]

I too agree with Kel!

405, don't worry about the kidney and liver too much, you can easily correct them by eating healthy again, not the way bodybuilder eat. yes high protein will do it, especially our foods in the US which is crap and full of impurities!

[--->>405<<---]

405, let me preface my response by first saying that I have not yet started my protocol.

However, on my bloodwork from jan. my liver and kidney function was slightly elevated and I assumed it was from the amount of protein I take in. My endo stated that it was his belief that the cause of this was due to dehydration, as I had fasted for 12 hours or so prior to my bloodwork. I has not had any water to drink. This time I made sure to have some fluids and my function returned to well within range.

thx viking.. i cant remember if id drank abything or not.. typically i have 200oz water each day while on low carb days.. the day i had bloodwork done was a low carb day but i didnt drink a lot that day..

hey 405, you are the test subject of the week! high adex, most would say crashed E, but feel great,possible high protein diet issues but lookin good! many will want to follow your progress with this, where is that sweet spot? seems to me with a Doc willing to script the adex and you pushing thru frequent BW along with how your feeling you will find that smooth ride.. good luck!

thx keep.. ill be posting in here periodically while i sort thru this for sure

Hi 405! You don't want to be that low long term for health reasons. Didn't we discuss this in your prior thread from a couple of months ago, where a few of us suggested cutting your adex way back? (if I recall correctly.) You may feel good now but eventually I'd bed you'll start feeling some sides from it. I'd immediately cut it way down or possibly go off for a month, retest E2, see where your at and then make an informed decision on dosage. Maybe have some nolva on hand just in case....

yes kel we did discuss it.. i figd back then since my E2 was high (43) with 1.5mg per week id go with what doc said and run it his way for 2 months which is what i did.. i will take ur advice and discontinue adex for 4 weeks and retest.. will also get nolvadex .. what should i look for symptom-wise to know i need to start taking it? how much should i take? how long should i take it if i have to start?

i do think my body does better with low E2 than high E2 as far as symptoms go.. cuz i feel great rite now!

agree with kel on this one

jpkman i agree with all of yall.. i figd this would happen but i wanted to give my docs advice a true run since E2 was high at 1.5mg per week.. (id like to note that i didnt run it at 1.5 the whole time.. per kel's advice i think some weeks i ran it closer to .75mg)

I too agree with Kel!

405, don't worry about the kidney and liver too much, you can easily correct them by eating healthy again, not the way bodybuilder eat. yes high protein will do it, especially our foods in the US which is crap and full of impurities!

bass thx man it makes me feel better to hear u say that! im like DANG! i finally have things going well fitness-wise and now i have a freaking liver and kidney problem? that sux! i was happy to find online the info about high protein diets and their effects on kidney and liver function..

well guys i dont think im any closer to knowing my "dialed in" dose of adex than i was when i started LOL... have a bit of concern about what the doc said:" u dont want to be on adex forever"... my thoughts:"im gonna be on test forever how the hell can i not also be on adex?? and what wrong with it to cause him to make that statement???"

[zaggahamma]

do u gotta really keep the b4 pic up to keep u honest

aint all our support enough

[bullshark99]

^^^LOL I like the after better 405, I too was taking over 3 mgs od Anas at one point, poor guidence from my practioners. Crashed it to 5.7, felt Severe ED along with dry skin. I would imagine you wont be far behind. My remidy was to STOP all A.I. 200mg per wk and increase HcG from 1000 to 1500. In 36 days my E2 was back up to 46, all ED issues gone, now Im taking 2 .5 per week and will be tested in a couple weeks. Liver and Kidney, take that serious, Bro.

[bass]

bass thx man it makes me feel better to hear u say that! im like DANG! i finally have things going well fitness-wise and now i have a freaking liver and kidney problem? that sux! i was happy to find online the info about high protein diets and their effects on kidney and liver function..

watch Supper Size Me and you'll see it doesn't take much and long to screw up you liver. but the good news is you can fix it easily. get Milk Thistle for your liver and drink lots of cranberry juice for your kidneys, well at least 2 glasses a day.

[--->>405<<---]

do u gotta really keep the b4 pic up to keep u honest

aint all our support enough

LOL.. yeh i appreciate u guys' support for sure i think its funny in a sense giving diet advice with that pic up... some newbie is sure to spout off "who are u fat ass giving me diet advice?" at somepoint which im looking forward to.. LOL

^^^LOL I like the after better 405, I too was taking over 3 mgs od Anas at one point, poor guidence from my practioners. Crashed it to 5.7, felt Severe ED along with dry skin. I would imagine you wont be far behind. My remidy was to STOP all A.I. 200mg per wk and increase HcG from 1000 to 1500. In 36 days my E2 was back up to 46, all ED issues gone, now Im taking 2 .5 per week and will be tested in a couple weeks. Liver and Kidney, take that serious, Bro.

thx bull yeh im stoppn adex for 4weeks and getting retested.. as far as liver and kidneys im going to PCP.. diet is gonna change soon to maintenance.. like 10days soon.. so ill be dropping protein down to 40%.. hopefully thatll help!

watch Supper Size Me and you'll see it doesn't take much and long to screw up you liver. but the good news is you can fix it easily. get Milk Thistle for your liver and drink lots of cranberry juice for your kidneys, well at least 2 glasses a day.

yeh bass i saw a good bit of it but missed like the last 30mins or so.. i think thats where he gets all the results.. i lookd it up on u tube and cant find it.. cranberry juice huh? sounds like a lot of sugar!

[zaggahamma]

lol
true
lookin for trouble huh

[bass]

405, buy the one that says no sugar added. you don't have to take it forever, just enough to get your kidneys back to normal, even if you do it forever you will end up with supper kidneys. friend of mine was diagnosed with kidney disease and he was put on the list for kidney repla***ent and was going through dialysis 2-3 times a week, in mean time doctor told him to drink lots of cranberry juice, he was 12 years old at the time, he's 50 now and his own kidneys are 100% normal!

[bullshark99]

just a clarification two .5 tablets not 2.5mgs

[--->>405<<---]

405, buy the one that says no sugar added. you don't have to take it forever, just enough to get your kidneys back to normal, even if you do it forever you will end up with supper kidneys. friend of mine was diagnosed with kidney disease and he was put on the list for kidney repla***ent and was going through dialysis 2-3 times a week, in mean time doctor told him to drink lots of cranberry juice, he was 12 years old at the time, he's 50 now and his own kidneys are 100% normal!

thx bass i think i may have found some with only 3g cugar per serving.. i could prob fit 2-4servings of this in per day.. also the milk thistle i will get too!

[--->>405<<---]

just a clarification two .5 tablets not 2.5mgs

yeh i knew wat u meant ..

[--->>405<<---]

lol
true
lookin for trouble huh

LOL.. sometimes

[--->>405<<---]

well fellows here we are again its been 4weeks or so since i completely stoppd adex.. kel i never did wat u said and just havent been using anything.. i know prob a dumb ass thing to do but ive felt fine and nipples havent done anything weird.. i tell u after the cruise and all time just went rite on by... so now its time to get bw again to see where im at.. ill be interested to see... this whole take 3mg til i bottom out and then take 0mg to go back up thing seems dumb to me.. maybe depending on results hell put me on something closer to what i really need and wat yall r takn.. i see no point to go from one extreme to the other.. will be getn bw dun this week

[Brohim]

I agree it sound dumb to go from one extreme to the other. Why not just use 1mg 12 hours after each inject?

[bass]

look forward to blood work results...

[Vettester]

Definitely looking forward to your new labs. The trick is getting your E2 into a range that is acceptable (20's-30's, whatever fits you), then dialing in a maintenance dose on your AI to keep yourself in that range. Looking back through your posts, I knew you were heading for a crash when I saw the 3mg protocol. Sorry I didn't catch it at the time (might have been consumed on a trip or something), otherwise I for sure would have given my .02 on that aspect.

Everyone is different, but I doubt it has shot through the ceiling after just a month. I went through a similar situation, and it took 6 weeks or so to just get back to the low 20's without any AI at all. You may need to do a few rounds of month to month labs on E2 to truly get a feel how fast it will increase, and how effective a maintenance dose will be once you start back on the AI.

Also, surprised the estro rebound hasn't hit you. Being it's only been a month, it still could be an issue, so keep that Nolva ready as Kelkel advised.

[kelkel]

Good to hear from you 405! Nice hair btw!

[--->>405<<---]

thx fellas... got my lab requisition in and gonna get bw dun tomorrow hopefully..

[bullshark99]

have to agree with Vette, I bounced from 5.7 all the way to almost 50. Stopped all A.I for 36 days, brought me to the mid 40's. Doubt you shot thru the roof so soon but we'll soon see???

[--->>405<<---]

ok guys well surprise surprise E2 is back up to (i cant remember if she said) 50 or 59 LOL! their solution: adex 3mg per week.. naturally not being an idiot i explained to the lady (who was more than willing to be helpful) that it didnt take a brain surgeon to figure out if i went back on 3mg again id drop back down to 7.8 like i did last time.. so shes chekn with doc to see what we can do.. i suggested cutting that in half at least to 1.5 mg per week.. she said (and i didnt know this) if the tablet of adex wasnt scored then the medication wouldnt be evenly distributed throughout the pill so if i cut it myself i wouldnt know exactly how much i was getting! did yall know that?

in any event shes chekn with doc to see if theres a difft pill with a score or smaller dose i can take if hes willing to reduce it to 1.5 or thereabouts..

input? thx..

[zaggahamma]

yes we knew that

reminds me of bass and the exact calculations on the syringe with his test dosage

MANY of us quarter those little fvking pills with a pill cutter...just sliced some up this morning...their not going to be exact EVER nor is it gonna matter

i think you've got a feel of how your body responds up and down with this compound so your guess is gonna be as good as any of ours

whats the symptoms/feel like lately

[--->>405<<---]

no symptoms to speak of other that that im not extremely horny all the time like i usually am.. on a positive note my kidney and liver function were elevated last bloodwork and i was told to go to my PCP (which i didnt do .. not a big fan of docs).. i read online that diet could have a lot to do with it and i was cutting pretty hard for a few months eating high protein and no to low carbs and after a month of more normal ratios (40/40/20 ish) im happy to say they have returned to normal! so all u hard cutters out there that like running keto and carb cycles be warned! these diets r tuff on the old organs!

[bass]

thanks for reporting back 405. don't make the mistake i made by splitting all my AI pills, GD suggested to split one pill at a time so that way you know you got a full pill for that week.

[zaggahamma]

thanks for reporting back 405. don't make the mistake i made by splitting all my AI pills, GD suggested to split one pill at a time so that way you know you got a full pill for that week.

How would cutting multiple pills ahead of time prevent /create a shortage...sorry u lost me

[bass]

usually pills don't get cut perfectly, some sections are larger and some are smaller, so if you cut all your pills and put them in one vial you could take 4 large section quarters thinking you're taking 1 mgs total but in actuality you're taking 1.25 mgs, then the following week you could take 4 smaller quarters and take only .75 mgs, and so on. i think GD had a valid point because all my halves were more like 1/3/ 2/3. these cutters are not perfect, and the stupid microscopic pill sometimes it chips off few pieces and i don't know what to do with them! its safer to do one pill at a time.

[--->>405<<---]

How would cutting multiple pills ahead of time prevent /create a shortage...sorry u lost me

i think hes saying if say each pill (hypothetically) contains 75% adex in one half and the other 25% in the other.. if u cut that pill in half on the first dose ud get 75% of the adex and since u only had that pill cut it would ensure the next time u took a half pill it would contain the other 25% adex..

if u cut them all.. theoretically u could choose the half with 75% adex every time.. over the course of a month or year it would all even out but only doing it one pill at a time it would even out much quicker.. is this correct bass?

[zaggahamma]

got it now

guess figured if i took a smaller one on one day i would take a lil bit bigger one the next...lol