Did your tescicles shrink?

[anoxicblaze]

Hi, did your testicles shrink when you started having TRT? If so, at what point did you begin to notice it? After how long and how much were/are you injecting?

Thanks

[MTheoryFreak]

Hi, did your testicles shrink when you started having TRT? If so, at what point did you begin to notice it? After how long and how much were/are you injecting?

Thanks

I started TRT about 4 months ago at 100 of Test Cyp. I noticed atrophy within weeks. Mine are about half the size. I am considering getting on HCG to help with this. Although, other than visibly being smaller I don't notice any side effects. I am almost 41 and have 3 children and don't want anymore. But, I still may get some HCG. I know a lot of people stay on all the time. I have been reading where some people will "cycle" HCG, say 4 months on 4 off. I still haven't made up my mind.

[EDCG19]

I freaked out to be honest, didn't expect it to happen so fast but I did notice other benefits within weeks and it was because my test levels were becoming within a more normal range. Yea it sucks to see the nuts shrink within a few weeks but there are more important things... Also looking into the HCG and proper dosing while running a cycle...

[Youthful55guy]

Having relatively small testicles to begin with, the effect of supplemental T (about 40 mg E3D) was very noticeable. They become almost non existent in about 2 months without HCG . With HCG (500-1000 IU/wk in divided doses), they stay my normal small size. I've been on HCG since I started well over 5 years ago, and don't normally go off HCG, but I wanted to see what would happen. Now I know.

I also notice a decrease in ejaculate volume and a decrease in pre-ejaculate secretion when not on HCG. Since the testicles produce only about 5% to 7% of the ejaculate volume, it corroborates that many other glands have LH receptors, such as the seminal vesicles, prostate, and cowpers gland (source of pre-ejaculate).

[Sicko]

I've been on TRT since 09 and only used HCG the first 3 months. Got to expensive with everything else as my insurance did not cover TRT.
Anyways yeah...nuts have shrunk to half size but seem to hold steady there. I still had a second child in late 2010 while on TRT and don't really mind that they are smaller. Every once in a while I grab one and trip out on how small they are but all in all I am unaffected by it.
On the plus side having small nuts has a benefit. When you have 2 young boys nut shots are a pretty common occurrence since they can't reach my face when we play fight (we play rough) it definitely doesn't hurt as bad!!! ehehehhhehh...

[anoxicblaze]

Mine have become very big and long as I've aged. I often sit on them. I'm kind of assuming I will prefer having smaller testicles. If I decide I don't like my new small balls in a year or so, and start HCG then, is it reversible or is it something you have to take from the start?

[anoxicblaze]

Having relatively small testicles to begin with, the effect of supplemental T (about 40 mg E3D) was very noticeable. They become almost non existent in about 2 months without HCG . With HCG (500-1000 IU/wk in divided doses), they stay my normal small size. I've been on HCG since I started well over 5 years ago, and don't normally go off HCG, but I wanted to see what would happen. Now I know.

I also notice a decrease in ejaculate volume and a decrease in pre-ejaculate secretion when not on HCG. Since the testicles produce only about 5% to 7% of the ejaculate volume, it corroborates that many other glands have LH receptors, such as the seminal vesicles, prostate, and cowpers gland (source of pre-ejaculate).

It affects sperm volume? That surprises me. You see so many porn actors with no visible testicles and huge muscles. I assume they are on steroids . They (not all) can produce bucket loads.

[hollowedzeus]

It affects sperm volume? That surprises me. You see so many porn actors with no visible testicles and huge muscles. I assume they are on steroids. They (not all) can produce bucket loads.

Clomid im sure does that

[anoxicblaze]

Clomid does what? Helps you produce porno sperm?

[Sicko]

Clomid does what? Helps you produce porno sperm?

Hah! that made me spit my water out!!!

[ujbone]

Mine started shrinking before I starting using test supplements. That's how I knew I had low t originally

[gymffiti]

Not been on here for a while (life gets in the way sometimes), but thought I'd add my 2 penneth ..

Noticed some shrinkage within a month.

That coincided with lasting much longer in bed. Not sure if that's linked to lower porn star sperm volume

[anoxicblaze]

Three weeks in. Haven't noticed any shrinking yet. Haven't noticed any change to libido etc. No morning wood so far either.


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[xLoganx]

I'm on Clomid TRT and haven't recognized a change to porn star fountain loads at all! As far as nuts shrinking is from running gear without HCG in your protocol.

[Obs]

I'm on Clomid TRT and haven't recognized a change to porn star fountain loads at all! As far as nuts shrinking is from running gear without HCG in your protocol.

Just a warning to all the neighborhood kids.... when your cycle is heavy enough you need to bump up the amount a little over the standard 500iu. I will be running 1000iu wk on my heavy cycles and drop to 500 wk for trt/cruise.

[anoxicblaze]

Do I really need HCG if I don't want kids? And don't care about the size of my balls? And if I change my mind at any time about either of those things can't I just take it then?


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[Obs]

Do I really need HCG if I don't want kids? And don't care about the size of my balls? And if I change my mind at any time about either of those things can't I just take it then?


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You need hcg.

[Youthful55guy]

Do I really need HCG if I don't want kids? And don't care about the size of my balls? And if I change my mind at any time about either of those things can't I just take it then?


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Though there is no published data that I know of comparing the health of those on TRT who do or do not use HCG, it is my personal observation that there are benefits beside the preservation of fertility. Those who argue strongly for HCG use point to the fact that there are LH receptors throughout the body and without an LH stimulus, and that you may disrupt other important hormonal pathways without it. One in particular that is often argued is the production of DHEA in the adrenal glands. DHEA is a major upstream steroid hormone from which numerous important steroid hormones derive their base structure.

For me, the decision is a bit more pragmatic with two main drivers for it's use: 1) Cosmetic. I have small testicles to begin with, and without HCG, they shrink up to the size of almonds within a few months. NOT PRETTY. 2) I have observed that HCG also is important for preserving ejaculate volume, and as most guys know from experience, volume of the payload is proportional to pleasure involved with delivering the payload.

Even though the testicles only account for about 5% of the ejaculate volume, as previously discussed, it is well documented that other glands in the body have LH receptors. Among these are the Seminal Vesicles which account for about 60% of the payload, the prostate which accounts for about 30%, and the Cowpers Gland (a.k.a., Bulbourethral Gland) which accounts for 5% to 10% of the payload (mostly pre-ejaculate). The presence of LH receptors in the Cowpers gland seems to be variable among men, some guys (like myself) produce copious amounts and others next to nothing. This is where I notice a big difference with and without HCG. I go from one extreme (big producer) to the other (little production) without HCG. So I know from personal experience that it has an effect on seminal fluid.

[hammerheart]

Hi, did your testicles shrink when you started having TRT? If so, at what point did you begin to notice it? After how long and how much were/are you injecting?

Thanks

They did, noticeably, in a few months after starting, I had a generous sized pair to start with but their reduced to little more than cherries now.

Haven't used HCG .

Ultrasound performed two yrs later revealed hypoechoic changes in the testes, that means cells are dying out (atrophy).

[hammerheart]

Though there is no published data that I know of comparing the health of those on TRT who do or do not use HCG , it is my personal observation that there are benefits beside the preservation of fertility. Those who argue strongly for HCG use point to the fact that there are LH receptors throughout the body and without an LH stimulus, and that you may disrupt other important hormonal pathways without it. One in particular that is often argued is the production of DHEA in the adrenal glands. DHEA is a major upstream steroid hormone from which numerous important steroid hormones derive their base structure.

For me, the decision is a bit more pragmatic with two main drivers for it's use: 1) Cosmetic. I have small testicles to begin with, and without HCG, they shrink up to the size of almonds within a few months. NOT PRETTY. 2) I have observed that HCG also is important for preserving ejaculate volume, and as most guys know from experience, volume of the payload is proportional to pleasure involved with delivering the payload.

Even though the testicles only account for about 5% of the ejaculate volume, as previously discussed, it is well documented that other glands in the body have LH receptors. Among these are the Seminal Vesicles which account for about 60% of the payload, the prostate which accounts for about 30%, and the Cowpers Gland (a.k.a., Bulbourethral Gland) which accounts for 5% to 10% of the payload (mostly pre-ejaculate). The presence of LH receptors in the Cowpers gland seems to be variable among men, some guys (like myself) produce copious amounts and others next to nothing. This is where I notice a big difference with and without HCG. I go from one extreme (big producer) to the other (little production) without HCG. So I know from personal experience that it has an effect on seminal fluid.

I've noticed huge difference in after- and pre-ejaculate with exogenous progestins. Bonus if on caber, but I have moderate hyperprolactinemia that might also play a role.

HCG should raise progesterone as well.

[Youthful55guy]

I've noticed huge difference in after- and pre-ejaculate with exogenous progestins. Bonus if on caber, but I have moderate hyperprolactinemia that might also play a role.

HCG should raise progesterone as well.

Yes, progesterone is part of the complex steroid cascade. It is derived further upstream than DHEA directly from pregnenolone. Here's a good diagram that shows some of the major hormones in the cascade.


A word of caution about using exogenous progestins, particularly in the light of mild hyperprolactemia. You absolutely need to watch your E2 levels carefully. high E2 alone can cause gynecomastia , but in combination with high progesterone, the effect is greatly enhanced. This is what happens to women during the 3rd trimester of pregnancy when placental production of both E2 and Progesterone is at it's highest; there is rapid breast development. Add to that the hormone placental hormone placental lactogen (a.k.a., somatomamotropin) which also spikes during the third trimester. Placental lactogen is a unique hormone that has both growth hormone and prolactin activity. The prolactin activity stimulates mammary production synergistically with progesterone.

[anoxicblaze]

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[anoxicblaze]

An extra two injections a week for the rest of my life is not appealing. Being the way I am I won't stick with it. Also, just seen a video where the guy claims you shouldn't take it for more than twelve weeks. I thought the idea was that the HCG accompanied Trt, i.e. You never stop taking it.


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[hammerheart]

Yes, progesterone is part of the complex steroid cascade. It is derived further upstream than DHEA directly from pregnenolone. Here's a good diagram that shows some of the major hormones in the cascade.


A word of caution about using exogenous progestins, particularly in the light of mild hyperprolactemia. You absolutely need to watch your E2 levels carefully. high E2 alone can cause gynecomastia, but in combination with high progesterone, the effect is greatly enhanced. This is what happens to women during the 3rd trimester of pregnancy when placental production of both E2 and Progesterone is at it's highest; there is rapid breast development. Add to that the hormone placental hormone placental lactogen (a.k.a., somatomamotropin) which also spikes during the third trimester. Placental lactogen is a unique hormone that has both growth hormone and prolactin activity. The prolactin activity stimulates mammary production synergistically with progesterone.

Yeah that happened actually, just recently I developed bilateral gyno, it's still very small and not visible externally, but I was just expecting it at some point. I'm also lactating but that was since pre-TRT era yet I had no hyperprolactinemia back then.

[Obs]

An extra two injections a week for the rest of my life is not appealing. Being the way I am I won't stick with it. Also, just seen a video where the guy claims you shouldn't take it for more than twelve weeks. I thought the idea was that the HCG accompanied Trt, i.e. You never stop taking it.


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Use insulin syringes and shoot your forearm sub q. Its not bad at all

[Youthful55guy]

Yeah that happened actually, just recently I developed bilateral gyno, it's still very small and not visible externally, but I was just expecting it at some point. I'm also lactating but that was since pre-TRT era yet I had no hyperprolactinemia back then.

Ouch! Sorry to hear about that.